I guess we aren't better without Jaylen!

[liam]

Who knew?


 

[boscel33]

Hahahaha

[Roy H.]

Sadly, I had that same dumb talking point in my head watching the game.

[liam]

Sadly, I had that same dumb talking point in my head watching the game.

Great minds think alike! 

[Moranis]

didn't we lose to the Knicks earlier this year when Jaylen played.  Maybe the Knicks are just a bad matchup.

[heyvik]

didn't we lose to the Knicks earlier this year when Jaylen played.  Maybe the Knicks are just a bad matchup.

yes....just like Cleveland

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

I definitely wouldn't say the Cs lost last night because Jaylen was out. Presumably his presence would've helped, but they still could've won—and won easily—had they not gone stone-cold from long range.

[slamtheking]

I definitely wouldn't say the Cs lost last night because Jaylen was out. Presumably his presence would've helped, but they still could've won—and won easily—had they not gone stone-cold from long range.

or had some other game plan for when 3 pointers aren't falling.  perhaps something crazy like driving into the paint for layups or a pass to someone who can take an easier 2 pointer that's more likely to be made. 

doesn't take a genius to understand a made 2-pointer counts for more than a missed 3-pointer

[Goldstar88]

We really had to jumpstart this debate again. Thanks Liam! 

[Roy H.]

I definitely wouldn't say the Cs lost last night because Jaylen was out. Presumably his presence would've helped, but they still could've won—and won easily—had they not gone stone-cold from long range.

or had some other game plan for when 3 pointers aren't falling.  perhaps something crazy like driving into the paint for layups or a pass to someone who can take an easier 2 pointer that's more likely to be made. 

doesn't take a genius to understand a made 2-pointer counts for more than a missed 3-pointer

Yeah...  Joe's "no adjustments" line from earlier still bothers me.  Not as much as the "JB doesn't contribute to winning" argument, though.

[liam]

We really had to jumpstart this debate again. Thanks Liam! 

At your service! 

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

I definitely wouldn't say the Cs lost last night because Jaylen was out. Presumably his presence would've helped, but they still could've won—and won easily—had they not gone stone-cold from long range.

or had some other game plan for when 3 pointers aren't falling.  perhaps something crazy like driving into the paint for layups or a pass to someone who can take an easier 2 pointer that's more likely to be made. 

doesn't take a genius to understand a made 2-pointer counts for more than a missed 3-pointer

I agree. Having a backup plan is always a good idea.

[Celtics2021]

I definitely wouldn't say the Cs lost last night because Jaylen was out. Presumably his presence would've helped, but they still could've won—and won easily—had they not gone stone-cold from long range.

or had some other game plan for when 3 pointers aren't falling.  perhaps something crazy like driving into the paint for layups or a pass to someone who can take an easier 2 pointer that's more likely to be made. 

doesn't take a genius to understand a made 2-pointer counts for more than a missed 3-pointer

I agree. Having a backup plan is always a good idea.

For what it’s worth, the Celtics outscored the Knicks in the paint, 52-42 last night.  The game was mostly decided at the foul line, with the Celtics getting called for double the fouls and the Knicks taking 20 more free throws.

[todd_days_41]

Who are the Cs beating shooting 21% from 3 on 40+ shots? Who is the NBA is beating anyone shooting 21% from 3 on 40+ shots?

Making it about Brown -- for or against -- is pretty meaningless.

[Smartacus]

I am 100% on the side of keep Jaylen if he wants to be here. Lock him up at whatever number he'd accept to stay with Tatum. There is nothing left for them to prove that they are a successful pairing, and one that can lead a team to a championship.

But lets not misrepresent the other side.

It's not a question of does a Tatum lead team play better without Jaylen on the court but rather would there be another player or players that could would work better with Tatum for Jaylen's trade value and salary slot. DeArron Fox, Trae Young, Karl Anthony Towns, Luka Doncic, Damian Lillard, Jaren Jackson Jr., Zion Williamson, maybe even Joel Embiid if Harden leaves and he forces his way out? The most interesting one in recent memory was Kevin Durant but now that's over. Are there players that could either be acquired for Jaylen in a trade that would be a better fit for a Jayson Tatum lead team.

Again, to me the answer is JKJB, but it's not like we'd be losing him for nothing if the team chose to break them up.