Smart or White?

[droopdog7]

White without hesitation

[mobilija]

Richardson

 

[action781]

Both players are in the "they are worth more to us than to you" category. What I mean is that most teams would not value them as highly as Stevens does.

Both players make a positive impact on the game in ways that go beyond normal counting stats.

So in other words, we'd be looking for an almost all-star forward that consistently makes the right plays and makes a positive impact on the game, even if their counting stats don't show it.

We need Al Horford from 5 years ago. Draymond Green is a similar-type player, but that's a weird situation and the Warriors would want more.

Sengun is solid, but we can't really wait for him to develop. It's unclear to me whether or not Collins is just getting bad at basketball, or if the Trae Young situation is that bad. Another guy I think is starting to become something is Naz Reid, but it's unclear what the Wolves would want to do there and they'd likely need to send more back (although I definitely could see them wanting a player like White or Smart to put next to Edwards).

There's not an obvious fit to me right now.

Some possible Horford replacements down the road: Markkanen, Randle, Siakam. Any of those would be ideal. Olynyk wouldn’t be a bad option either.

There's a guy named Grant Williams who would fit in great as a Horford replacement too.

[Kernewek]

Richardson

 

The one true answer.

[Vermont Green]

Both players are in the "they are worth more to us than to you" category. What I mean is that most teams would not value them as highly as Stevens does.

Both players make a positive impact on the game in ways that go beyond normal counting stats.

So in other words, we'd be looking for an almost all-star forward that consistently makes the right plays and makes a positive impact on the game, even if their counting stats don't show it.

We need Al Horford from 5 years ago. Draymond Green is a similar-type player, but that's a weird situation and the Warriors would want more.

Sengun is solid, but we can't really wait for him to develop. It's unclear to me whether or not Collins is just getting bad at basketball, or if the Trae Young situation is that bad. Another guy I think is starting to become something is Naz Reid, but it's unclear what the Wolves would want to do there and they'd likely need to send more back (although I definitely could see them wanting a player like White or Smart to put next to Edwards).

There's not an obvious fit to me right now.

Some possible Horford replacements down the road: Markkanen, Randle, Siakam. Any of those would be ideal. Olynyk wouldn’t be a bad option either.

There's a guy named Grant Williams who would fit in great as a Horford replacement too.

I prefer Grant to Olynyk but Markkanen, Randle, and Siakam are all in a completely different league.  Smart or White (or even both) are not going to get us one of those players.

[Moranis]

Both players are in the "they are worth more to us than to you" category. What I mean is that most teams would not value them as highly as Stevens does.

Both players make a positive impact on the game in ways that go beyond normal counting stats.

So in other words, we'd be looking for an almost all-star forward that consistently makes the right plays and makes a positive impact on the game, even if their counting stats don't show it.

We need Al Horford from 5 years ago. Draymond Green is a similar-type player, but that's a weird situation and the Warriors would want more.

Sengun is solid, but we can't really wait for him to develop. It's unclear to me whether or not Collins is just getting bad at basketball, or if the Trae Young situation is that bad. Another guy I think is starting to become something is Naz Reid, but it's unclear what the Wolves would want to do there and they'd likely need to send more back (although I definitely could see them wanting a player like White or Smart to put next to Edwards).

There's not an obvious fit to me right now.

Some possible Horford replacements down the road: Markkanen, Randle, Siakam. Any of those would be ideal. Olynyk wouldn’t be a bad option either.

There's a guy named Grant Williams who would fit in great as a Horford replacement too.

No. No he would not.

[Goldstar88]

Both players are in the "they are worth more to us than to you" category. What I mean is that most teams would not value them as highly as Stevens does.

Both players make a positive impact on the game in ways that go beyond normal counting stats.

So in other words, we'd be looking for an almost all-star forward that consistently makes the right plays and makes a positive impact on the game, even if their counting stats don't show it.

We need Al Horford from 5 years ago. Draymond Green is a similar-type player, but that's a weird situation and the Warriors would want more.

Sengun is solid, but we can't really wait for him to develop. It's unclear to me whether or not Collins is just getting bad at basketball, or if the Trae Young situation is that bad. Another guy I think is starting to become something is Naz Reid, but it's unclear what the Wolves would want to do there and they'd likely need to send more back (although I definitely could see them wanting a player like White or Smart to put next to Edwards).

There's not an obvious fit to me right now.

Some possible Horford replacements down the road: Markkanen, Randle, Siakam. Any of those would be ideal. Olynyk wouldn’t be a bad option either.

There's a guy named Grant Williams who would fit in great as a Horford replacement too.

Have you seen Grant play lately? He hasn’t been good this season. Grant is not a starting caliber player and is certainly not a replacement for Horford.

[Goldstar88]

Both players are in the "they are worth more to us than to you" category. What I mean is that most teams would not value them as highly as Stevens does.

Both players make a positive impact on the game in ways that go beyond normal counting stats.

So in other words, we'd be looking for an almost all-star forward that consistently makes the right plays and makes a positive impact on the game, even if their counting stats don't show it.

We need Al Horford from 5 years ago. Draymond Green is a similar-type player, but that's a weird situation and the Warriors would want more.

Sengun is solid, but we can't really wait for him to develop. It's unclear to me whether or not Collins is just getting bad at basketball, or if the Trae Young situation is that bad. Another guy I think is starting to become something is Naz Reid, but it's unclear what the Wolves would want to do there and they'd likely need to send more back (although I definitely could see them wanting a player like White or Smart to put next to Edwards).

There's not an obvious fit to me right now.

Some possible Horford replacements down the road: Markkanen, Randle, Siakam. Any of those would be ideal. Olynyk wouldn’t be a bad option either.

There's a guy named Grant Williams who would fit in great as a Horford replacement too.

I prefer Grant to Olynyk but Markkanen, Randle, and Siakam are all in a completely different league.  Smart or White (or even both) are not going to get us one of those players.

Olynyk is better at scoring, rebounding, passing, blocking shots, steals. Defense is comparable. He’s also a legit 6’11” and can play both the 4/5, Grant is generously listed at 6’6”, but he’s definitely shorter than JB (who is a legitimate 6’6”) when they stand next to each other. Grant is in his 4th year now and is an MLE type of player.

Also, I never said that White or Smart could net one of those guys by themselves. They could be part of a trade package, though. 3 team trades are also a possibility.

[celts55]

Never understood Grant love. He’s inconsistent, a decent defender but not anything special. He’s always complaining to the refs. When he has started, I don’t recall him having one particularly good game. I can not imagine he’s going to get the contract he’s looking for.
Back to original question, if forced to make a choice, I’m keeping White. Both excellent defenders, good passers, but Whites shot selection is the difference to me. If Smart would play point and shoot when it made sense, I might feel differently, but he loves to take terrible shots. Unfortunately, he’s not a good shooter. Makes me crazy, so White is my choice

[Goldstar88]

Never understood Grant love. He’s inconsistent, a decent defender but not anything special. He’s always complaining to the refs. When he has started, I don’t recall him having one particularly good game. I can not imagine he’s going to get the contract he’s looking for.
Back to original question, if forced to make a choice, I’m keeping White. Both excellent defenders, good passers, but Whites shot selection is the difference to me. If Smart would play point and shoot when it made sense, I might feel differently, but he loves to take terrible shots. Unfortunately, he’s not a good shooter. Makes me crazy, so White is my choice

I don't get it either. Grant is a solid backup, but he's not starting caliber.  If the C's can retain Grant as a bench player for $8-10M a year, that would be great. If not, he's certainly replaceable.

[Who]

Never understood Grant love. He’s inconsistent, a decent defender but not anything special. He’s always complaining to the refs. When he has started, I don’t recall him having one particularly good game. I can not imagine he’s going to get the contract he’s looking for.
Back to original question, if forced to make a choice, I’m keeping White. Both excellent defenders, good passers, but Whites shot selection is the difference to me. If Smart would play point and shoot when it made sense, I might feel differently, but he loves to take terrible shots. Unfortunately, he’s not a good shooter. Makes me crazy, so White is my choice

I don't get it either. Grant is a solid backup, but he's not starting caliber.  If the C's can retain Grant as a bench player for $8-10M a year, that would be great. If not, he's certainly replaceable.

Tough to replace a guy who can defend the likes of Giannis & Durant while also being a threat on offense. Not that many of those guys around especially at MLE or sub-MLE money.

Having Grant and being able to rotate with Tatum and Horford is a luxury. And Horford is getting old. We could easily end up in a situation in a 1-2yrs where Tatum is our only good defender against bigger forward types.

[Moranis]

Never understood Grant love. He’s inconsistent, a decent defender but not anything special. He’s always complaining to the refs. When he has started, I don’t recall him having one particularly good game. I can not imagine he’s going to get the contract he’s looking for.
Back to original question, if forced to make a choice, I’m keeping White. Both excellent defenders, good passers, but Whites shot selection is the difference to me. If Smart would play point and shoot when it made sense, I might feel differently, but he loves to take terrible shots. Unfortunately, he’s not a good shooter. Makes me crazy, so White is my choice

I don't get it either. Grant is a solid backup, but he's not starting caliber.  If the C's can retain Grant as a bench player for $8-10M a year, that would be great. If not, he's certainly replaceable.

Tough to replace a guy who can defend the likes of Giannis & Durant while also being a threat on offense. Not that many of those guys around especially at MLE or sub-MLE money.

Having Grant and being able to rotate with Tatum and Horford is a luxury. And Horford is getting old. We could easily end up in a situation in a 1-2yrs where Tatum is our only good defender against bigger forward types.

The Celtics cannot afford to have a bench of guys making 15 million a year.  You can't have 2 max contracts and then pay 6 players in excess of 10 million a year.  The team needs to consolidate the salaries into a more top heavy breakdown. 

[Phantom255x]

In regards to GWill, I think a lot will depend on playoffs. I still think 20M AAV for him is outrageous, but I could convince myself into re-signing him around the 14-16M range IF he has a great postseason. That said, the way things are trending I think he has a lot of work to do on that end. He can certainly play pesky defense on the likes of Giannis/Embiid but even if he left, I'm sure they can find a cheaper replacement through another avenue

But I also have to see it to believe it. I know he wants 20M and other teams are interested, but how interested are they? Will another team actually give him that? I'm not that convinced they will tbh

[Who]

How much is the cap going to go up?

$20mil might not be outrageous after that increase.

[Who]

How much is the cap going to go up?

$20mil might not be outrageous after that increase.

This article says

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-aiming-for-new-tv-deal-worth-75-billion-which-could-lead-to-large-increase-in-salary-cap-per-report/

he new deal, which would start in 2025, could be worth over $75 billion total, and over $8 billion annually, according to Jabari Young of CNBC.

Based off a cap that by 2025 sits at $171 million, a 35% max deal would start at $59.85 million

So if $60mil is 35% of the cap, then $20mil would only be around 11.5% of the cap.

The current cap is $123.7mil so 11.5% of that would be around $14.22 million.

Yeah, I could see Grant getting $20 million per year given this new TV contract and the cap going up.