Celtics Trade Deadline

[Birdman]

Just wait for buyouts candidates

[Vermont Green]

An extra salary sure would be nice.  It would allow the team to acquire someone like Bogdanovic from Detroit.  Without including a starter (or Brogdon or White), it would take 5 players to get to the salary needed for him including Grant, PP, and Kornet (so 3 "useful" players).  That just makes him to hard to acquire.  It is just frustrating the team doesn't have another mid-range salary on the roster given how easy it would have been to acquire them in the summer into the Fournier TPE.

Yeah, I know, we should have gotten Noel, a completely useless player so that we could trade a useless player to a team that will give us back a useful player.  Detroit does not want to take back useless salary in a trade for Bogdanovic or anyone else.  That would just be that many more draft picks we have to include.

I understand the theory here but I am not sold.  I don't think it is a good idea to bring in useless players just so that you have a contract that you can maybe trade later by attaching some number of draft picks to.  It could work in our favor to do this in a best case scenario.  It also might just result in us being stuck with a useless player, or trading away a bunch of picks for a player that only marginally improves the team.

[Roy H.]

An extra salary sure would be nice.  It would allow the team to acquire someone like Bogdanovic from Detroit.  Without including a starter (or Brogdon or White), it would take 5 players to get to the salary needed for him including Grant, PP, and Kornet (so 3 "useful" players).  That just makes him to hard to acquire.  It is just frustrating the team doesn't have another mid-range salary on the roster given how easy it would have been to acquire them in the summer into the Fournier TPE.

Yeah, I know, we should have gotten Noel, a completely useless player so that we could trade a useless player to a team that will give us back a useful player.  Detroit does not want to take back useless salary in a trade for Bogdanovic or anyone else.  That would just be that many more draft picks we have to include.

I understand the theory here but I am not sold.  I don't think it is a good idea to bring in useless players just so that you have a contract that you can maybe trade later by attaching some number of draft picks to.  It could work in our favor to do this in a best case scenario.  It also might just result in us being stuck with a useless player, or trading away a bunch of picks for a player that only marginally improves the team.

Expiring contracts are the building blocks of trades all of the time, though.  This isn't some theory that people on this blog came up with.

[Vermont Green]

An extra salary sure would be nice.  It would allow the team to acquire someone like Bogdanovic from Detroit.  Without including a starter (or Brogdon or White), it would take 5 players to get to the salary needed for him including Grant, PP, and Kornet (so 3 "useful" players).  That just makes him to hard to acquire.  It is just frustrating the team doesn't have another mid-range salary on the roster given how easy it would have been to acquire them in the summer into the Fournier TPE.

Yeah, I know, we should have gotten Noel, a completely useless player so that we could trade a useless player to a team that will give us back a useful player.  Detroit does not want to take back useless salary in a trade for Bogdanovic or anyone else.  That would just be that many more draft picks we have to include.

I understand the theory here but I am not sold.  I don't think it is a good idea to bring in useless players just so that you have a contract that you can maybe trade later by attaching some number of draft picks to.  It could work in our favor to do this in a best case scenario.  It also might just result in us being stuck with a useless player, or trading away a bunch of picks for a player that only marginally improves the team.

Expiring contracts are the building blocks of trades all of the time, though.  This isn't some theory that people on this blog came up with.

I understand, and sometimes it works out that way.  But I feel that in general, the value of having a bad contract for a useless player is overrated at best.  Noel was a specific player/contract that was discussed and seems to keep coming up.  What has Detroit been able to do with that contract?  So far, nothing, maybe something still happens.  In theory, a $9.2M contract with a team option for the final year would be the ideal "expiring" contract to be able to use in a deal.  For example to trade for someone like Poeltl.

As a potential Poeltl deal has been kicked around, Gallinari + Pritchard + a pick is kind of the range that people feel it would take.  And this is to get a player that projects as a 3rd or 4th big, a bench/depth player for the Celtics (a starter for other teams).  Both Gallinari and Pritchard have value.  Gallinari could be flipped for a pick or something once he is back playing.  Pritchard is a decent bench guard, making a contribution on the best team in the league.  And even with that, we have to likely add a pick.  If the only send back was Noel (who has no value), how many picks do you think SAN would want?  It is not like Noel and a second is going to get a useful player.

You never know how these things go.  Maybe if we had Noel (for example), we could turn him into something useful.  People act like it is a given though.  That for sure we would get something useful.  Noel and a second for a useful bench wing, whatever.  If we attach enough picks, sure, probably you can get something.  Again, I see this as a lot less valuable or important, more likely to just end up being a bad contract you are stuck with, preventing you from signing say Griffin.

[Phantom255x]

1 of Pritchard/Davison and a 1st round pick for Naz Reid

OR

A draft pick for PJ Washington from the Hornets, fitting him into the Schroder TPE. Or instead of PJ Washington, get Jalen McDaniels from the Hornets.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

1 of Pritchard/Davison and a 1st round pick for Naz Reid

OR

A draft pick for PJ Washington from the Hornets, fitting him into the Schroder TPE. Or instead of PJ Washington, get Jalen McDaniels from the Hornets.

I don't think Reid is worth that much more that Pritchard, if at all.

[Chief]

Id trade Derrick White if you can find and upgrade.

[Chief]

 

[Phantom255x]

1 of Pritchard/Davison and a 1st round pick for Naz Reid

OR

A draft pick for PJ Washington from the Hornets, fitting him into the Schroder TPE. Or instead of PJ Washington, get Jalen McDaniels from the Hornets.

I don't think Reid is worth that much more that Pritchard, if at all.

Could we acquire Reid with just pick(s)? (fitting him in with TPE)

[Moranis]

An extra salary sure would be nice.  It would allow the team to acquire someone like Bogdanovic from Detroit.  Without including a starter (or Brogdon or White), it would take 5 players to get to the salary needed for him including Grant, PP, and Kornet (so 3 "useful" players).  That just makes him to hard to acquire.  It is just frustrating the team doesn't have another mid-range salary on the roster given how easy it would have been to acquire them in the summer into the Fournier TPE.

Yeah, I know, we should have gotten Noel, a completely useless player so that we could trade a useless player to a team that will give us back a useful player.  Detroit does not want to take back useless salary in a trade for Bogdanovic or anyone else.  That would just be that many more draft picks we have to include.

I understand the theory here but I am not sold.  I don't think it is a good idea to bring in useless players just so that you have a contract that you can maybe trade later by attaching some number of draft picks to.  It could work in our favor to do this in a best case scenario.  It also might just result in us being stuck with a useless player, or trading away a bunch of picks for a player that only marginally improves the team.

Expiring contracts are the building blocks of trades all of the time, though.  This isn't some theory that people on this blog came up with.

I understand, and sometimes it works out that way.  But I feel that in general, the value of having a bad contract for a useless player is overrated at best.  Noel was a specific player/contract that was discussed and seems to keep coming up.  What has Detroit been able to do with that contract?  So far, nothing, maybe something still happens.  In theory, a $9.2M contract with a team option for the final year would be the ideal "expiring" contract to be able to use in a deal.  For example to trade for someone like Poeltl.

As a potential Poeltl deal has been kicked around, Gallinari + Pritchard + a pick is kind of the range that people feel it would take.  And this is to get a player that projects as a 3rd or 4th big, a bench/depth player for the Celtics (a starter for other teams).  Both Gallinari and Pritchard have value.  Gallinari could be flipped for a pick or something once he is back playing.  Pritchard is a decent bench guard, making a contribution on the best team in the league.  And even with that, we have to likely add a pick.  If the only send back was Noel (who has no value), how many picks do you think SAN would want?  It is not like Noel and a second is going to get a useful player.

You never know how these things go.  Maybe if we had Noel (for example), we could turn him into something useful.  People act like it is a given though.  That for sure we would get something useful.  Noel and a second for a useful bench wing, whatever.  If we attach enough picks, sure, probably you can get something.  Again, I see this as a lot less valuable or important, more likely to just end up being a bad contract you are stuck with, preventing you from signing say Griffin.

the 2nd worst team in the league not using an expiring contract is not an equivalent to the best team in the league.  Why would Detroit move Noel's contract?  Detroit is looking for building block pieces, not players like Bogdanovic (who is obviously on the block for them given his age).  Now sure, they might move Noel to a team looking to dump salary and with Detroit picking up an asset in the process, but they aren't going to be acquiring a guy that doesn't move the needle a lot as they are clearly tanking.

Having Noel's contract on the books right now, would have made acquiring someone like Bogdanovic possible.  With the current roster set up, players in Bogdanovic's price range are basically impossible for Boston to acquire without moving a true core piece and that diminishes the impact of a such a trade.  Noel + Gallo + 2025 1st for Bogdanovic would be a great trade for Boston (and you could probably do it without Gallo if you included Kornet, Jackson, and Griffin).  That isn't possible to do now since Boston doesn't have that salary slot. 

That is why I was harping so much on using the TPE.  It provided so many more options in the future, let alone the player might have actually been useful and not just a salary slot.   

[Vermont Green]

1 of Pritchard/Davison and a 1st round pick for Naz Reid

OR

A draft pick for PJ Washington from the Hornets, fitting him into the Schroder TPE. Or instead of PJ Washington, get Jalen McDaniels from the Hornets.

I don't think Reid is worth that much more that Pritchard, if at all.

Could we acquire Reid with just pick(s)? (fitting him in with TPE)

Naz Reid makes $1.93M.  We have a 2.16M TPE for Bol Bol which expired 10 Feb 2023, that could be used.  We could get him without sending out a player.

MIN is well in the playoff hunt.  Granted, they have some depth at PF but not sure why they would trade him away without getting something useful back.

[Celtics4ever]

Naz ReId would be a good catch for us.  He could back either Rob or Al and fits our system well.    He is also tough and plays hard and not passive.

Would he help us win a title is the question.    I think he would help our depth somewhat but I wish he rebounded better.

[Vermont Green]

the 2nd worst team in the league not using an expiring contract is not an equivalent to the best team in the league.  Why would Detroit move Noel's contract?  Detroit is looking for building block pieces, not players like Bogdanovic (who is obviously on the block for them given his age).  Now sure, they might move Noel to a team looking to dump salary and with Detroit picking up an asset in the process, but they aren't going to be acquiring a guy that doesn't move the needle a lot as they are clearly tanking.

Having Noel's contract on the books right now, would have made acquiring someone like Bogdanovic possible.  With the current roster set up, players in Bogdanovic's price range are basically impossible for Boston to acquire without moving a true core piece and that diminishes the impact of a such a trade.  Noel + Gallo + 2025 1st for Bogdanovic would be a great trade for Boston (and you could probably do it without Gallo if you included Kornet, Jackson, and Griffin).  That isn't possible to do now since Boston doesn't have that salary slot. 

That is why I was harping so much on using the TPE.  It provided so many more options in the future, let alone the player might have actually been useful and not just a salary slot.

I agree that Detroit has different goals and motives but I gave an example, Poeltl.  He is a decent player who matches their timeline and Noel's contract.  But they are not going to want to give up the additional picks that would need to be attached to Noel in order for his contract to return Poeltl.

And for Bogdanovic, we may get to see what his market value is if he gets traded.  But it would need to be Noel, more salary, and more picks.  So even if we had Noel, getting Bogdanovic doesn't seem so realistic.  We need to match about $19.5M.  Noel does not make that possible.  Bogdanovic is a useful player.  Getting him or any other player at his level is going to take a lot more than bad contracts.  The Knicks for example have plenty of bad contracts.  Those bad contracts are not going to get them Bogdanovich unless a bunch of picks are attached.

I concede that if we had Noel's contract, there may be some possibilities open to us that aren't without his contract.  We also might not have Griffin on the roster, for example.  I just don't see the same value that you apparently see.  I see a useless player with a bad contract that no one is going to want to take back unless picks are attached or the return is an even worse contract.

It probably does not do much good to debate the past.  I probably should just focus on what hopefully is ahead.

[Moranis]

the 2nd worst team in the league not using an expiring contract is not an equivalent to the best team in the league.  Why would Detroit move Noel's contract?  Detroit is looking for building block pieces, not players like Bogdanovic (who is obviously on the block for them given his age).  Now sure, they might move Noel to a team looking to dump salary and with Detroit picking up an asset in the process, but they aren't going to be acquiring a guy that doesn't move the needle a lot as they are clearly tanking.

Having Noel's contract on the books right now, would have made acquiring someone like Bogdanovic possible.  With the current roster set up, players in Bogdanovic's price range are basically impossible for Boston to acquire without moving a true core piece and that diminishes the impact of a such a trade.  Noel + Gallo + 2025 1st for Bogdanovic would be a great trade for Boston (and you could probably do it without Gallo if you included Kornet, Jackson, and Griffin).  That isn't possible to do now since Boston doesn't have that salary slot. 

That is why I was harping so much on using the TPE.  It provided so many more options in the future, let alone the player might have actually been useful and not just a salary slot.

I agree that Detroit has different goals and motives but I gave an example, Poeltl.  He is a decent player who matches their timeline and Noel's contract.  But they are not going to want to give up the additional picks that would need to be attached to Noel in order for his contract to return Poeltl.

And for Bogdanovic, we may get to see what his market value is if he gets traded.  But it would need to be Noel, more salary, and more picks.  So even if we had Noel, getting Bogdanovic doesn't seem so realistic.  We need to match about $19.5M.  Noel does not make that possible.  Bogdanovic is a useful player.  Getting him or any other player at his level is going to take a lot more than bad contracts.  The Knicks for example have plenty of bad contracts.  Those bad contracts are not going to get them Bogdanovich unless a bunch of picks are attached.

I concede that if we had Noel's contract, there may be some possibilities open to us that aren't without his contract.  We also might not have Griffin on the roster, for example.  I just don't see the same value that you apparently see.  I see a useless player with a bad contract that no one is going to want to take back unless picks are attached or the return is an even worse contract.

It probably does not do much good to debate the past.  I probably should just focus on what hopefully is ahead.

Bogdanovic's asking price from Detroit is reportedly an unprotected 1st round pick.  Using expiring contracts to meet the salary doesn't require additional 1st round picks being included.  Detroit knows it is going to take on players when it trades Bogdanovic because of the way the salary structure works, and yet they've only reportedly been asking for an unprotected 1st round pick for him. 

Noel + Gallo + 2025 1st for Bogdanovic is the trade I mentioned.  That works if you have Noel, without Noel the trade is basically Gallo, Grant, Pritchard, Kornet, and Jackson for Bogdanovic.  That is just too much of the roster to give up and that is the problem.

And even if you don't like Bogdanovic, there are players just like him that come available every single season.  By wasting, now 2 TPE assets, Boston has made it very difficult to improve the roster this year because they don't have the mid-tier contracts to trade outside of Gallo and Grant (and they are barely 10 million together). 

[gouki88]

Just wait for buyouts candidates

Heard that before