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Re: Draymond Says He Was Repeatedly Called N-Word During NBA Finals
« Reply #75 on: January 20, 2023, 01:51:07 PM »

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I disagree with your premise. Lack of audio evidence doesn’t mean he’s lying. I’m not sure what should/shouldn’t be recorded. I’ve never worked as a camera guy, but I’d imagine that they are selective in what they record. I know they are selective in what they broadcast. I also don’t record Celtics games while I’m there so I haven’t caught anyone in the act. This is me attempting to answer your question.

Are the other men lying as well, because there’s no audio?

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« Reply #76 on: January 20, 2023, 02:16:04 PM »

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I disagree with your premise. Lack of audio evidence doesn’t mean he’s lying. I’m not sure what should/shouldn’t be recorded. I’ve never worked as a camera guy, but I’d imagine that they are selective in what they record. I know they are selective in what they broadcast. I also don’t record Celtics games while I’m there so I haven’t caught anyone in the act. This is me attempting to answer your question.

Are the other men lying as well, because there’s no audio?

There's a distinction between the level of audio recording at the NBA Finals and just about any other day-to-day event.  There entire area around the court is mic'd with ultra-sensitive microphones.  I don't think you answered my question -- I don't see how anybody can not admit that the lack of evidence and Draymond's own response cut against his story -- but I'll answer your question anyway.  (After noting that 1.  Draymond has made these type of accusations before, saying it's happened in various arenas, again without evidence; and 2.  Draymond himself uses racial slurs, including calling Perk a "c--n".)

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Smart, Demarcus, and Michael Wilbon all said it happened to them.

These are three distinct incidents.  Regarding Smart, I believe him about the Boston incident.  As I recall, he said that he was in a car, and a woman and child were pedestrians, right?  I'm not sure that he calmly rolled down his window and politely warned her to get out of the road, but I believe the gist of the story:  there was a white woman with her kid, trying to cross traffic.  A black man shouted to her, and she reacted with anger and racism.  Why believe him?  Because there's no evidence pushing back on his story.  It's not a situation where you'd expect the interaction to be caught on tape.  Similarly, if Marcus had reacted to the event at the time, telling the media that some angry woman told him "F" off, only to later five months later change it to "she called me the N-word", that would be questionable.

Incidentally, I do not believe that the reason Marcus went into the stands in OKC was because somebody called him a slur.  I think that was an attempt to avoid consequences for losing his temper.

Wilbon I believe, or at least mostly believe.  The only part of his story that doesn't seem believable to me is that the *only* place he's been called the N-word was in Boston Garden.  As he said, he grew up during the civil rights area, in a city that was quite segregated.  I'm shocked that any black man in America born in the 1950s has only been called the N-word once or twice.  But the rest of it?  I absolutely believe that he was called the N-word in Boston during the 1980s.  I also believe him that he was warned not to walk in Southie.  I've noted my own perception of South Boston in the early 2000s, mentioning its like there was an invisible marker for blacks that said "do not cross this line".  So, again:  the story makes sense, and there's no counter-evidence to suggest that it isn't true.

Boogie...  I don't know.  It got investigated.  The team found that the kid (below 18) likely acted inappropriately, but that there was no evidence of a slur.  Boogie says the slur was "muttered" or "mouthed". 

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The source said the fan sitting a few rows behind the Warriors’ bench was taunting Cousins during the game. At one point, the source said, Cousins saw the fan mouth the n-word at him and Warriors and TD Garden security were alerted.

The fan was removed from the arena, and the Celtics launched a multi-day investigation in which they interviewed fans who were sitting in that section and others in the bench area, and also reviewed all available video that could have shed light on the alleged incident.

No one corroborated Cousins’s claim. And while the video made it clear that the fan was speaking to Cousins during the game, the exact words were not clear. The source said that if there was any evidence that the fan had used racially charged language, or if any others in the area had corroborated Cousins’s story, a lifetime ban would have been implemented.

If Boogie "saw" the fan "mouth"ing the N-word at him, that's a good reason why others wouldn't have heard it.  But there's also all kinds of room for misinterpretation there.  So, I don't know.  I do believe Boogie that he truly believes that's what happened; I don't think he's lying, but if this is lip-reading, I can see where somebody could confuse "N-word" with "F---er". 



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Re: Draymond Says He Was Repeatedly Called N-Word During NBA Finals
« Reply #77 on: January 20, 2023, 02:36:25 PM »

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Weird that most Celtics fans on here think that couldn’t happen in Boston. Has anyone spent time in the city? Know people from Southie/Dorchester/etc? Open minded and tolerant are not words that I would use to describe our provincial city.

I went to a Patriots game earlier this year and there was a middle aged white guy in front of me that wouldn’t stop talking loudly about the “atrocities of transgender”. Guy was trying to make a political statement (while drunk) at a game and nobody told him to shut up. He had a bunch of his buddies there (and he was drunk), so I figured it would be easier to leave the section then say something and potentially get beat up.

I'm sure it happens a lot in Boston, though to be honest I have rarely heard it in a public setting. I just don't think this particular incident, or incidents, happened the way Draymond described it. One of the things that make me skeptical is he complained about the "F*** you Draymond" chants, made a point of bringing them up to the media afterwards, but he only brings this up six months later, when this is certainly much worse and more offensive. Even his wife got stuck into us for that chant. But nobody said anything about anything racial. Now he could certainly have sat on it for all that time because he didn't want to make a big deal out of it, but then why bring it up now? This type of incident would be treated by the league and everyone as extremely serious, and most athletes that have suffered this type of abuse have brought it up immediately, and they were believed despite the lack of any audio or anything. And Draymond is not the type of person to sit on something like this.

We'll never know the truth, and it certainly could have happened, but the way Draymond described it just sounds dodgy to me. Not because it couldn't happen, but because of the circumstances.
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« Reply #78 on: January 20, 2023, 02:45:27 PM »

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I disagree with your premise. Lack of audio evidence doesn’t mean he’s lying. I’m not sure what should/shouldn’t be recorded. I’ve never worked as a camera guy, but I’d imagine that they are selective in what they record. I know they are selective in what they broadcast. I also don’t record Celtics games while I’m there so I haven’t caught anyone in the act. This is me attempting to answer your question.

Are the other men lying as well, because there’s no audio?

There's a distinction between the level of audio recording at the NBA Finals and just about any other day-to-day event.  There entire area around the court is mic'd with ultra-sensitive microphones.  I don't think you answered my question -- I don't see how anybody can not admit that the lack of evidence and Draymond's own response cut against his story -- but I'll answer your question anyway.  (After noting that 1.  Draymond has made these type of accusations before, saying it's happened in various arenas, again without evidence; and 2.  Draymond himself uses racial slurs, including calling Perk a "c--n".)

And it's not just audio evidence. It's any evidence (as has been said many times already).

Someone in your section is loudly yelling out the N-word.

You do nothing?
Same goes for the other several hundred people in your section (many of whom are likely black themselves)?
No usher does anything?
Security does nothing?
None of the other ~40 players/coaches/refs/trainers (many of whom are black) hear anything?

There's constantly reports (in all arenas) of fans being kicked out and banned for saying/doing inappropriate things.  Boston fan throws a bottle at Kyrie, Utah fans make inappropriate comments to Ja Morant and his family, fan spits on Trae Young, fan pours popcorn on Westbrook, all escorted out by security and banned from the arenas.

How do you think security finds these people?  How do you think teams investigate these situations?  It's easy, because the players point them out, and/or arena staff saw it, and/or other fans report it and point them out.

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« Reply #79 on: January 20, 2023, 03:42:18 PM »

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I am 57 went to many Celtics games. NEVER heard the N word. Green Can believe what ever he wants. But The Bostonian accent is hard to understand as well. But I think he is lying. I am entitled to my opinion just as he is. They Proved BYU never said the word. If he heard it he has not had a [dang] soul backing him on either team. Until then, I rest my case.
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« Reply #80 on: January 20, 2023, 04:45:35 PM »

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I disagree with your premise. Lack of audio evidence doesn’t mean he’s lying. I’m not sure what should/shouldn’t be recorded. I’ve never worked as a camera guy, but I’d imagine that they are selective in what they record. I know they are selective in what they broadcast. I also don’t record Celtics games while I’m there so I haven’t caught anyone in the act. This is me attempting to answer your question.

Are the other men lying as well, because there’s no audio?
Your attempts to make all these scenarios equivalent is lazy
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« Reply #81 on: January 20, 2023, 04:59:14 PM »

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Re: Draymond Says He Was Repeatedly Called N-Word During NBA Finals
« Reply #82 on: January 20, 2023, 05:00:53 PM »

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I am 57 went to many Celtics games. NEVER heard the N word. Green Can believe what ever he wants. But The Bostonian accent is hard to understand as well. But I think he is lying. I am entitled to my opinion just as he is. They Proved BYU never said the word. If he heard it he has not had a [dang] soul backing him on either team. Until then, I rest my case.

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« Reply #83 on: January 20, 2023, 06:08:47 PM »

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I disagree with your premise. Lack of audio evidence doesn’t mean he’s lying. I’m not sure what should/shouldn’t be recorded. I’ve never worked as a camera guy, but I’d imagine that they are selective in what they record. I know they are selective in what they broadcast. I also don’t record Celtics games while I’m there so I haven’t caught anyone in the act. This is me attempting to answer your question.

Are the other men lying as well, because there’s no audio?
Your attempts to make all these scenarios equivalent is lazy

Huh? Guy said he was called a bad word and white Celtics fans get super defensive. Pretty standard response to most of these accounts.

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« Reply #84 on: January 20, 2023, 06:40:37 PM »

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I disagree with your premise. Lack of audio evidence doesn’t mean he’s lying. I’m not sure what should/shouldn’t be recorded. I’ve never worked as a camera guy, but I’d imagine that they are selective in what they record. I know they are selective in what they broadcast. I also don’t record Celtics games while I’m there so I haven’t caught anyone in the act. This is me attempting to answer your question.

Are the other men lying as well, because there’s no audio?
Your attempts to make all these scenarios equivalent is lazy

Huh? Guy said he was called a bad word and white Celtics fans get super defensive. Pretty standard response to most of these accounts.

N word is not a "bad" it is a sign of HATE..


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« Reply #85 on: January 20, 2023, 06:45:21 PM »

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I am 57 went to many Celtics games. NEVER heard the N word. Green Can believe what ever he wants. But The Bostonian accent is hard to understand as well. But I think he is lying. I am entitled to my opinion just as he is. They Proved BYU never said the word. If he heard it he has not had a [dang] soul backing him on either team. Until then, I rest my case.

Your first line isn’t relevant.  You could attend 1000 games and not hearing it doesn’t mean it wasn’t said. That just tells me the people within your earshot didn’t say it.
Green could be lying or he could have misheard.  Or… it may have been said. 
To think the N word has never been yelled at the Garden seems unlikely to me.  If someone yelled it at Green, or if he’s lying, either way I’d want to say that I think the vast majority of Boston fans - to the tune of 99.99999% — would never say it and would never condone it.  Something like that should never happen. You can say that without either accepting what he said or calling him a liar.

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« Reply #86 on: January 20, 2023, 07:23:51 PM »

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I am 57 went to many Celtics games. NEVER heard the N word. Green Can believe what ever he wants. But The Bostonian accent is hard to understand as well. But I think he is lying. I am entitled to my opinion just as he is. They Proved BYU never said the word. If he heard it he has not had a [dang] soul backing him on either team. Until then, I rest my case.

Your first line isn’t relevant.  You could attend 1000 games and not hearing it doesn’t mean it wasn’t said. That just tells me the people within your earshot didn’t say it.
Green could be lying or he could have misheard.  Or… it may have been said. 
To think the N word has never been yelled at the Garden seems unlikely to me.  If someone yelled it at Green, or if he’s lying, either way I’d want to say that I think the vast majority of Boston fans - to the tune of 99.99999% — would never say it and would never condone it.  Something like that should never happen. You can say that without either accepting what he said or calling him a liar.





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« Reply #87 on: January 20, 2023, 09:38:41 PM »

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I don’t know what Draymond may or may not have heard.

I don’t think it’s even about that. He was affected by the other things that were said. He knows the historical perception of Boston by NBA fans. He thinks that he’s been successful at getting in the Celtics heads.

This came out just a week before the rematch game. He knows Celtics fans are sensitive about any perception of racism. He knows that Celtics fans think the Warriors are in the Celtics players heads. He wants to occupy that same space in Celtics fans heads.

I think it’s as simple as that. Judging by a lot of the comments here, he was successful.

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« Reply #88 on: January 21, 2023, 03:12:18 AM »

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I disagree with your premise. Lack of audio evidence doesn’t mean he’s lying. I’m not sure what should/shouldn’t be recorded. I’ve never worked as a camera guy, but I’d imagine that they are selective in what they record. I know they are selective in what they broadcast. I also don’t record Celtics games while I’m there so I haven’t caught anyone in the act. This is me attempting to answer your question.

Dude, it supposedly happened in June 2022 at the NBA Finals. We’re talking a relatively condensed area with well over 10,000 smart phones with HD cameras/audio recording, not just TV broadcasting equipment. Next time you’re at an NBA game, take a look around and observe how many people are using smart phones at different times, and consider how easy it is to record something in literally seconds with a smart phone. And if this is a matter of believing Celtics fans would not turn “one of their own” in, well, go watch the Finals again to see how many GSW fans were in attendance, too. Can you imagine how quickly they’d want to record and upload racial epithets thrown about and seemingly tolerated at the Garden? That would have been game, set, match. It just did not happen.

It’s virtually certain that either Dray misheard, Dray hears voices in his head that nobody else hears, or Dray is lying. Dray simply mishearing would require us to believe that most likely Dray and only Dray misheard, which seems very unlikely. In other words, more likely than not Dray is lying or Dray hears voices in his head that nobody else hears. That’s the bottom-line.

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« Reply #89 on: January 21, 2023, 04:55:54 AM »

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Draymond Green - the ultimate multi-millionaire victim. Always something with this guy.

So Draymond, did you take this issue up with the Celtics' owner, uh sorry, governor ???
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