Celtics bench 2022-23 season...

[Celtics2021]

Imagine Brogdon on last season's team...

Then we get that ring!

With either him or this season's version of Hauser I think we get the ring.

I love how Hauser has been playing but I think he's an 82 game player.  I'm not sure his D will hold up in the playoffs, right now.

I think that it will.  I think that his spacing and offense add more than his average to a touch below average hurt.  He'll see his minutes go down in the playoffs, I'm sure, but I think he'll play.

(And, in terms of the original argument, I think he definitely would have played in last year's Finals, if he had been a proven player at that time.  We couldn't hit anything and our offense desperately needed a shooter.)

Regarding last playoffs, Hauser was unavailable for most of it with a shoulder injury.  He was available by the Finals, but throwing him out there wasn’t going to be an option after having missed so much time.  I think if he’d been healthy we might have seen him over Nesmith earlier in the postseason.

[Vermont Green]

So you changed your mind on our depth, liam? 

https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=107109.0

It certainly looks better than it did when you made that thread - we knew Brogdon was going to add some punch off the bench as would Gwill but Hauser and Kornet have definitely exceeded my expectations.

Yeah, the talk in that thread was that we had 5 unproven or unplayable players.   Not sure who those would be.  Gallinari is unplayable but he doesn't really count.  The 2-way guys don't count either.  Justin Jackson has been garbage time only as expected but Kornet, Vonleh, and Griffin have all contributed something, especially Kornet.

Our depth is going to improve when RWill gets back but we still will likely make some deal at some point.  Our 6th and 7th men have been Brogdon and White.  Both have been terrific.  Pritchard in the bench mix was never a concern.  And Hauser and Kornet have been pleasant surprises (at least surprises to me).  When Rwill is back, we can add Grant to the bench.

You don't think that at the time of the thread Gallo, Kornet, Jackson, Vonleh, Hauser, Griffin, and whatever guys hadn't been cut yet (Layman, etc.) were either unproven or unplayable?

Who there was a guarantee?  Even you are describing them as surprises, which to me suggests that some of those guys weren't proven commodities.

I was not nearly as concerned about the bench/depth as some.  Glass half full glass half empty.  If you look at 6-10, we were pretty solid.  I view 6-10 as far more important than 11-15.  I saw no need to go out and get for example Dwight Howard or Cousins to be the 12th or 13th man.  Especially at that time.  We can still make moves.

[Roy H.]

So you changed your mind on our depth, liam? 

https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=107109.0

It certainly looks better than it did when you made that thread - we knew Brogdon was going to add some punch off the bench as would Gwill but Hauser and Kornet have definitely exceeded my expectations.

Yeah, the talk in that thread was that we had 5 unproven or unplayable players.   Not sure who those would be.  Gallinari is unplayable but he doesn't really count.  The 2-way guys don't count either.  Justin Jackson has been garbage time only as expected but Kornet, Vonleh, and Griffin have all contributed something, especially Kornet.

Our depth is going to improve when RWill gets back but we still will likely make some deal at some point.  Our 6th and 7th men have been Brogdon and White.  Both have been terrific.  Pritchard in the bench mix was never a concern.  And Hauser and Kornet have been pleasant surprises (at least surprises to me).  When Rwill is back, we can add Grant to the bench.

You don't think that at the time of the thread Gallo, Kornet, Jackson, Vonleh, Hauser, Griffin, and whatever guys hadn't been cut yet (Layman, etc.) were either unproven or unplayable?

Who there was a guarantee?  Even you are describing them as surprises, which to me suggests that some of those guys weren't proven commodities.

I was not nearly as concerned about the bench/depth as some.  Glass half full glass half empty.  If you look at 6-10, we were pretty solid.  I view 6-10 as far more important than 11-15.  I saw no need to go out and get for example Dwight Howard or Cousins to be the 12th or 13th man.  Especially at that time.  We can still make moves.

Oh, I definitely validate that.  You have been pretty calm about the bench for awhile.

I'm pleasantly surprised about how it has worked out.  Kornet (seemingly unplayable) and Hauser (unproven) have stepped up into major roles. 

[mef730]

So you changed your mind on our depth, liam? 

https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=107109.0

It certainly looks better than it did when you made that thread - we knew Brogdon was going to add some punch off the bench as would Gwill but Hauser and Kornet have definitely exceeded my expectations.

Yeah, the talk in that thread was that we had 5 unproven or unplayable players.   Not sure who those would be.  Gallinari is unplayable but he doesn't really count.  The 2-way guys don't count either.  Justin Jackson has been garbage time only as expected but Kornet, Vonleh, and Griffin have all contributed something, especially Kornet.

Our depth is going to improve when RWill gets back but we still will likely make some deal at some point.  Our 6th and 7th men have been Brogdon and White.  Both have been terrific.  Pritchard in the bench mix was never a concern.  And Hauser and Kornet have been pleasant surprises (at least surprises to me).  When Rwill is back, we can add Grant to the bench.

You don't think that at the time of the thread Gallo, Kornet, Jackson, Vonleh, Hauser, Griffin, and whatever guys hadn't been cut yet (Layman, etc.) were either unproven or unplayable?

Who there was a guarantee?  Even you are describing them as surprises, which to me suggests that some of those guys weren't proven commodities.

I was not nearly as concerned about the bench/depth as some.  Glass half full glass half empty.  If you look at 6-10, we were pretty solid.  I view 6-10 as far more important than 11-15.  I saw no need to go out and get for example Dwight Howard or Cousins to be the 12th or 13th man.  Especially at that time.  We can still make moves.

Oh, I definitely validate that.  You have been pretty calm about the bench for awhile.

I'm pleasantly surprised about how it has worked out.  Kornet (seemingly unplayable) and Hauser (unproven) have stepped up into major roles.

I'm loving Hauser. I've gotten so used to the Celtics saying that they drafted/signed a player to be their next sharpshooter, only to see that player not get any time. Wonder how long he can keep it up, but wow, if he's the real deal...

A bit more concerned with Kornet, since he looks so lost on the floor half the time, although that's what I said about TL two years ago. But it's nice that Grant Williams doesn't have to be the back-up center.

The guy I feel bad for is Pritchard. The guy is shooting 40% from 3 and he looked like he had a solid position on the team, but with Hauser's emergence, he's getting pushed back.

I'm just amazed at how we've gone from having no bench to one of the best in the league.

Mike

[Vermont Green]

So you changed your mind on our depth, liam? 

https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=107109.0

It certainly looks better than it did when you made that thread - we knew Brogdon was going to add some punch off the bench as would Gwill but Hauser and Kornet have definitely exceeded my expectations.

Yeah, the talk in that thread was that we had 5 unproven or unplayable players.   Not sure who those would be.  Gallinari is unplayable but he doesn't really count.  The 2-way guys don't count either.  Justin Jackson has been garbage time only as expected but Kornet, Vonleh, and Griffin have all contributed something, especially Kornet.

Our depth is going to improve when RWill gets back but we still will likely make some deal at some point.  Our 6th and 7th men have been Brogdon and White.  Both have been terrific.  Pritchard in the bench mix was never a concern.  And Hauser and Kornet have been pleasant surprises (at least surprises to me).  When Rwill is back, we can add Grant to the bench.

You don't think that at the time of the thread Gallo, Kornet, Jackson, Vonleh, Hauser, Griffin, and whatever guys hadn't been cut yet (Layman, etc.) were either unproven or unplayable?

Who there was a guarantee?  Even you are describing them as surprises, which to me suggests that some of those guys weren't proven commodities.

I was not nearly as concerned about the bench/depth as some.  Glass half full glass half empty.  If you look at 6-10, we were pretty solid.  I view 6-10 as far more important than 11-15.  I saw no need to go out and get for example Dwight Howard or Cousins to be the 12th or 13th man.  Especially at that time.  We can still make moves.

Oh, I definitely validate that.  You have been pretty calm about the bench for awhile.

I'm pleasantly surprised about how it has worked out.  Kornet (seemingly unplayable) and Hauser (unproven) have stepped up into major roles.

I was actually more worried about back up SF back in the off season/preseason.  I expected that we could get by essentially with Brown as the back up SF and with Brogdon getting minutes at SG as a means to cover that role, but I felt is was a weakness.  Hauser has been way better than I expected.  Not sure how he will hold up in the playoffs but for now, obviously, we are just fine.

As to he bigs, would love to see some depth added but none of the easy options felt worth it.  I thought Griffin was a good signing.  I was fine with Vonleh for the role envisioned for him.  Kornet has stepped up unexpectedly and really helped provide some depth minutes.

To be clear, I would love to see some reinforcements for the stretch run and playoffs.  Wing (SF) and big depth are still weaknesses or areas of potential risk.  Even with RWill back and Grant sliding to bolster the bench, I am still not sold on Kornet as a playoff worthy back up center.  That may not even be a problem when the rotations shorten though.  Same with the wing.  Kornet and Hauser may not need to play much in the playoffs anyway.

I guess to try and explain another way, to me, it is no help to bring in someone that is say a little better than Kornet if they are still not good enough to crack the playoff rotation.  Sure, you have made the 10th or 11th player a little better but if you only play 8 in the playoffs, what does it matter?  For a wing to matter, they need to be say better than Pritchard or even close to White's level (obviously at a different position).  Same with the big.  To really help in the playoffs, it would need to be a center that is comparable in ability to Grant.

[RockinRyA]

So you changed your mind on our depth, liam? 

https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=107109.0

It certainly looks better than it did when you made that thread - we knew Brogdon was going to add some punch off the bench as would Gwill but Hauser and Kornet have definitely exceeded my expectations.

Yeah, the talk in that thread was that we had 5 unproven or unplayable players.   Not sure who those would be.  Gallinari is unplayable but he doesn't really count.  The 2-way guys don't count either.  Justin Jackson has been garbage time only as expected but Kornet, Vonleh, and Griffin have all contributed something, especially Kornet.

Our depth is going to improve when RWill gets back but we still will likely make some deal at some point.  Our 6th and 7th men have been Brogdon and White.  Both have been terrific.  Pritchard in the bench mix was never a concern.  And Hauser and Kornet have been pleasant surprises (at least surprises to me).  When Rwill is back, we can add Grant to the bench.

You don't think that at the time of the thread Gallo, Kornet, Jackson, Vonleh, Hauser, Griffin, and whatever guys hadn't been cut yet (Layman, etc.) were either unproven or unplayable?

Who there was a guarantee?  Even you are describing them as surprises, which to me suggests that some of those guys weren't proven commodities.

I was not nearly as concerned about the bench/depth as some.  Glass half full glass half empty.  If you look at 6-10, we were pretty solid.  I view 6-10 as far more important than 11-15.  I saw no need to go out and get for example Dwight Howard or Cousins to be the 12th or 13th man.  Especially at that time.  We can still make moves.

Oh, I definitely validate that.  You have been pretty calm about the bench for awhile.

I'm pleasantly surprised about how it has worked out.  Kornet (seemingly unplayable) and Hauser (unproven) have stepped up into major roles.

I was actually more worried about back up SF back in the off season/preseason.  I expected that we could get by essentially with Brown as the back up SF and with Brogdon getting minutes at SG as a means to cover that role, but I felt is was a weakness.  Hauser has been way better than I expected.  Not sure how he will hold up in the playoffs but for now, obviously, we are just fine.

As to he bigs, would love to see some depth added but none of the easy options felt worth it.  I thought Griffin was a good signing.  I was fine with Vonleh for the role envisioned for him.  Kornet has stepped up unexpectedly and really helped provide some depth minutes.

To be clear, I would love to see some reinforcements for the stretch run and playoffs.  Wing (SF) and big depth are still weaknesses or areas of potential risk.  Even with RWill back and Grant sliding to bolster the bench, I am still not sold on Kornet as a playoff worthy back up center.  That may not even be a problem when the rotations shorten though.  Same with the wing.  Kornet and Hauser may not need to play much in the playoffs anyway.

I guess to try and explain another way, to me, it is no help to bring in someone that is say a little better than Kornet if they are still not good enough to crack the playoff rotation.  Sure, you have made the 10th or 11th player a little better but if you only play 8 in the playoffs, what does it matter?  For a wing to matter, they need to be say better than Pritchard or even close to White's level (obviously at a different position).  Same with the big.  To really help in the playoffs, it would need to be a center that is comparable in ability to Grant.

My main concernabout the backup bigs is that 1) al and blake are on the older side 2) rob and blake are on the injury prone side.