Feel bad for Theis, but Brogdon Trade Looking Even Better

[NHHillbilly]

"Center Daniel Theis has undergone successful knee surgery for persistent pain and is out indefinitely according to a release from the Pacers on Thursday evening.

Theis’ status will be updated “as appropriate," according to the release.

Theis, who was acquired from the Boston Celtics in July in the trade that sent away Malcolm Brogdon, has not appeared in a game yet this season. The seventh-year pro is averaging 7.6 points and 4.9 rebounds per game in his NBA career. He was a key frontcourt reserve for a Celtics team that won the Eastern Conference title last season."
And as expected, Nesmith is still hitting just 28% of his threes. So Brogdon comes basically at the price of a 1st round pick in 2023. Brogdon is out with a hamstring tightness, so there is still an injury risk with him, but the risk is well worth the price.

[ozgod]

Time will tell but I think we will have won the trade by the end of the season as well.

[Moranis]

Time will tell but I think we will have won the trade by the end of the season as well.

Boston won the trade immediately upon making it.  No need to wait.  It was a slam dunk no brainer from the beginning.

[droopdog7]

Odd timing given that brogdon is now having issues with his hamstring.  Not to say it wasn’t a good trade, but this was the downside we all knew about. 

And, you don’t really judge this trade player for player.  Indiana and the celts wanted completely different things from the trade.  And now they have a rookie that looks pretty good, which is part of shooing off veterans.

[Kernewek]

Agreed with droop I think it's mostly a win-win trade.

[Goldstar88]

Odd timing given that brogdon is now having issues with his hamstring.  Not to say it wasn’t a good trade, but this was the downside we all knew about. 

And, you don’t really judge this trade player for player.  Indiana and the celts wanted completely different things from the trade.  And now they have a rookie that looks pretty good, which is part of shooing off veterans.

And this is why it’s necessary to keep both Smart and White. Brogdon never plays a full season. C’s have to be very careful with him throughout the year as he will be important come playoff time.

[Vermont Green]

I have to look back and refresh my memory on what we gave up:

Daniel Theis, Aaron Nesmith, Nik Stauskus, Malik Fitts, Juwan Morgan, and a 2023 first-round pick to Indiana

The pick is likely to be 25-30.  Aaron Nesmith still has some potential but has really not shown much.  As it stands, we gave up absolutely nothing of tangible value to the team except the pick.  And that was before Theis went out for the year.

You can't lose a trade when you don't give up anything.  I still can't believe that Indy would take back all of that.  A pick is pick and they must have thought they could get something out of Nesmith.  He does show potential but it may never translate.  Nesmith certainly wasn't going to help us win a title any time soon.

This was an absolute home run of a trade for Boston.  I don't care if we have to manage Brodgon's minutes.

[bogg]

I have to look back and refresh my memory on what we gave up:

Daniel Theis, Aaron Nesmith, Nik Stauskus, Malik Fitts, Juwan Morgan, and a 2023 first-round pick to Indiana

The pick is likely to be 25-30.  Aaron Nesmith still has some potential but has really not shown much.  As it stands, we gave up absolutely nothing of tangible value to the team except the pick.  And that was before Theis went out for the year.

You can't lose a trade when you don't give up anything.  I still can't believe that Indy would take back all of that.  A pick is pick and they must have thought they could get something out of Nesmith.  He does show potential but it may never translate.  Nesmith certainly wasn't going to help us win a title any time soon.

This was an absolute home run of a trade for Boston.  I don't care if we have to manage Brodgon's minutes.

Eh, Indiana needed playing time for their trio of young guys - Haliburton, Mathurin, and Duarte - while also having enough time left over to showcase Hield. Supposedly nobody else offered more than matching salary and a late first because of Brogdon's injury history, so they just cut their losses instead of dragging the situation out for eight months and making it uncomfortable for everyone. I get it.

[jambr380]

I have to look back and refresh my memory on what we gave up:

Daniel Theis, Aaron Nesmith, Nik Stauskus, Malik Fitts, Juwan Morgan, and a 2023 first-round pick to Indiana

The pick is likely to be 25-30.  Aaron Nesmith still has some potential but has really not shown much.  As it stands, we gave up absolutely nothing of tangible value to the team except the pick.  And that was before Theis went out for the year.

You can't lose a trade when you don't give up anything.  I still can't believe that Indy would take back all of that.  A pick is pick and they must have thought they could get something out of Nesmith.  He does show potential but it may never translate.  Nesmith certainly wasn't going to help us win a title any time soon.

This was an absolute home run of a trade for Boston.  I don't care if we have to manage Brodgon's minutes.

Apparently Toronto had a similar offer and IND gave Brogdon the option of where he wanted to go. If anything, we should thank Brogdon for choosing us. And, yes, as long as Brogdon isn't constantly injured, we definitely did very well in this trade.

[tonydelk]

I have to look back and refresh my memory on what we gave up:

Daniel Theis, Aaron Nesmith, Nik Stauskus, Malik Fitts, Juwan Morgan, and a 2023 first-round pick to Indiana

The pick is likely to be 25-30.  Aaron Nesmith still has some potential but has really not shown much.  As it stands, we gave up absolutely nothing of tangible value to the team except the pick.  And that was before Theis went out for the year.

You can't lose a trade when you don't give up anything.  I still can't believe that Indy would take back all of that.  A pick is pick and they must have thought they could get something out of Nesmith.  He does show potential but it may never translate.  Nesmith certainly wasn't going to help us win a title any time soon.

This was an absolute home run of a trade for Boston.  I don't care if we have to manage Brodgon's minutes.

Apparently Toronto had a similar offer and IND gave Brogdon the option of where he wanted to go. If anything, we should thank Brogdon for choosing us. And, yes, as long as Brogdon isn't constantly injured, we definitely did very well in this trade.

Even if Brogdon missing 10 - 12 games throughout the regular season but is available for the entire playoffs this was a Grand Slam Home Run.  If the C's had Brogdon in the playoffs last year they'd have won it all.  With the emergence of Sam and Brogdon on the 2nd unit and when Rob comes back this team will be dangerous on ever level.  Health will be the only thing that can get in the way.  That goes for every team though.  I hope the C's rest their players throughout the season.  They played too many minutes and when they got to the championship were too banged up and ran out of gas. 

[droopdog7]

Odd timing given that brogdon is now having issues with his hamstring.  Not to say it wasn’t a good trade, but this was the downside we all knew about. 

And, you don’t really judge this trade player for player.  Indiana and the celts wanted completely different things from the trade.  And now they have a rookie that looks pretty good, which is part of shooing off veterans.

And this is why it’s necessary to keep both Smart and White. Brogdon never plays a full season. C’s have to be very careful with him throughout the year as he will be important come playoff time.

And PP

[timpiker]

Odd timing given that brogdon is now having issues with his hamstring.  Not to say it wasn’t a good trade, but this was the downside we all knew about. 

And, you don’t really judge this trade player for player.  Indiana and the celts wanted completely different things from the trade.  And now they have a rookie that looks pretty good, which is part of shooing off veterans.

And this is why it’s necessary to keep both Smart and White. Brogdon never plays a full season. C’s have to be very careful with him throughout the year as he will be important come playoff time.

Yes!  We won the trade. Period.  But some time in the future I expect to get Theis back.

[Vermont Green]

Odd timing given that brogdon is now having issues with his hamstring.  Not to say it wasn’t a good trade, but this was the downside we all knew about. 

And, you don’t really judge this trade player for player.  Indiana and the celts wanted completely different things from the trade.  And now they have a rookie that looks pretty good, which is part of shooing off veterans.

And this is why it’s necessary to keep both Smart and White. Brogdon never plays a full season. C’s have to be very careful with him throughout the year as he will be important come playoff time.

And PP

I wouldn't go that far.  Having Smart, Brogdon, White, and Pritchard is a luxury, not a necessity.  Trading White or Pritchard for say a top 3 or top 4 on the roster big would not create a problem.  It would just balance our roster some.  I get that it is nice to have Pritchard there for the nights here and there that you expect Brogdon to miss but I think we are more vulnerable to the nights that Horford is expected to miss.  If we are able to reinforce our depth at big without giving up White or Pritchard, great but right now, we have a surplus at combo guard and we are thin elsewhere.

[Goldstar88]

Odd timing given that brogdon is now having issues with his hamstring.  Not to say it wasn’t a good trade, but this was the downside we all knew about. 

And, you don’t really judge this trade player for player.  Indiana and the celts wanted completely different things from the trade.  And now they have a rookie that looks pretty good, which is part of shooing off veterans.

And this is why it’s necessary to keep both Smart and White. Brogdon never plays a full season. C’s have to be very careful with him throughout the year as he will be important come playoff time.

And PP

I wouldn't go that far.  Having Smart, Brogdon, White, and Pritchard is a luxury, not a necessity.  Trading White or Pritchard for say a top 3 or top 4 on the roster big would not create a problem.  It would just balance our roster some.  I get that it is nice to have Pritchard there for the nights here and there that you expect Brogdon to miss but I think we are more vulnerable to the nights that Horford is expected to miss.  If we are able to reinforce our depth at big without giving up White or Pritchard, great but right now, we have a surplus at combo guard and we are thin elsewhere.

White is a starting caliber player in his prime on a very team friendly contract until 2025. I wouldn’t trade him unless you are getting a starting caliber big back. Brogdon is just too unreliable and Smart takes a beating out there. Wouldn’t be comfortable with Pritchard as a primary backup.

[Vermont Green]

Odd timing given that brogdon is now having issues with his hamstring.  Not to say it wasn’t a good trade, but this was the downside we all knew about. 

And, you don’t really judge this trade player for player.  Indiana and the celts wanted completely different things from the trade.  And now they have a rookie that looks pretty good, which is part of shooing off veterans.

And this is why it’s necessary to keep both Smart and White. Brogdon never plays a full season. C’s have to be very careful with him throughout the year as he will be important come playoff time.

And PP

I wouldn't go that far.  Having Smart, Brogdon, White, and Pritchard is a luxury, not a necessity.  Trading White or Pritchard for say a top 3 or top 4 on the roster big would not create a problem.  It would just balance our roster some.  I get that it is nice to have Pritchard there for the nights here and there that you expect Brogdon to miss but I think we are more vulnerable to the nights that Horford is expected to miss.  If we are able to reinforce our depth at big without giving up White or Pritchard, great but right now, we have a surplus at combo guard and we are thin elsewhere.

White is a starting caliber player in his prime on a very team friendly contract until 2025. I wouldn’t trade him unless you are getting a starting caliber big back. Brogdon is just too unreliable and Smart takes a beating out there. Wouldn’t be comfortable with Pritchard as a primary backup.

I agree but said another way, I would include White in a trade if it could get us back a big that was say better than Grant, even if not necessarily an established full time starter.  A comparable talent to White, a big who can start but isn't necessarily a great starter.  We would lose some depth at combo guard but if we got comparable added depth at big in return, I feel we come out ahead with a more balanced roster.  And if it was say White and a pick or something, that got us back an even better big, all the better.