Joshua Primo waived; accused of indecent exposure toward three women

[Vermont Green]

Yeah, there is more to this.  The only reason to cut him vs. just letting him go on "vacation" is to open up the roster spot.  They are paying him in either case.  The Spurs don't need that spot so much, at least it doesn't seem so.  You would think the best thing for the player would be to stay with the team even if not playing and have access to team and league medical/mental health services.  Just abruptly cutting him doesn't make any sense. 

I can't construct a scenario to explain this.  Maybe he punched someone in practice, threatened a coach or something.  But even with that, wouldn't most team just put him in anger management therapy?

[Goldstar88]

Yeah, there is more to this.  The only reason to cut him vs. just letting him go on "vacation" is to open up the roster spot.  They are paying him in either case.  The Spurs don't need that spot so much, at least it doesn't seem so.  You would think the best thing for the player would be to stay with the team even if not playing and have access to team and league medical/mental health services.  Just abruptly cutting him doesn't make any sense. 

I can't construct a scenario to explain this.  Maybe he punched someone in practice, threatened a coach or something.  But even with that, wouldn't most team just put him in anger management therapy?

Not necessarily. Look at what happened with Kevin Porter Jr and the Cavs. They gave him away for nothing because he couldn’t control his emotions. Now that it’s been a few years, he seems to have matured, signed an extension and is starting for the Rockets. I don’t think the Spurs or Josh would release the statements like they did if something illegal took place. Or if there was an ongoing investigation.

The Cleveland Cavaliers have traded 2019 first-round pick Kevin Porter Jr. to the Houston Rockets for a heavily protected future second-round pick, it was announced Friday. The pick is top-55-protected, meaning it is likely never to convey, sources told ESPN.

The Rockets are taking on Porter, a 6-foot-4 wing who was the 30th overall pick in the 2019 draft, as a reclamation project after personal issues have prevented him from playing this season. Porter, 20, averaged 10.0 points, 3.2 rebounds and 2.2 assists during a promising rookie year last season.

Sources told ESPN's Brian Windhorst that the Cavaliers decided to trade or waive Porter after he had a screaming match with team officials last Friday night, when he attended his first game of the season. Porter was upset that his locker had been moved to an auxiliary area after his old locker was given to Taurean Prince, who arrived along with Jarrett Allen in the four-team James Harden trade last week.

"After careful and thoughtful evaluation, we made the very difficult and collective decision to make this trade," Cavs GM Koby Altman said in a statement. "Given the culture and environment we have worked to cultivate here in Cleveland, we feel this move is in everyone's best interest.

"Kevin has a bright future ahead of him as a professional basketball player and, at his core, is a good person."

The Athletic first reported the incident with Porter.

Houston will release injured guard Chris Clemons (Achilles tendon) to create a roster spot for Porter, sources said.

The Cavaliers picked up a team option on Porter's contract last month, meaning he is owed $2.13 million for the 2021-22 season. He has another team option for $3.85 million for the 2022-23 season.

[Roy H.]

Yeah, there is more to this.  The only reason to cut him vs. just letting him go on "vacation" is to open up the roster spot.  They are paying him in either case.  The Spurs don't need that spot so much, at least it doesn't seem so.  You would think the best thing for the player would be to stay with the team even if not playing and have access to team and league medical/mental health services.  Just abruptly cutting him doesn't make any sense. 

I can't construct a scenario to explain this.  Maybe he punched someone in practice, threatened a coach or something.  But even with that, wouldn't most team just put him in anger management therapy?

Not necessarily. Look at what happened with Kevin Porter Jr and the Cavs. They gave him away for nothing because he couldn’t control his emotions. Now that it’s been a few years, he seems to have matured, signed an extension and is starting for the Rockets. I don’t think the tram or Josh would release the statements that they did if something illegal took place. Or if there was an ongoing investigation.

The Cleveland Cavaliers have traded 2019 first-round pick Kevin Porter Jr. to the Houston Rockets for a heavily protected future second-round pick, it was announced Friday. The pick is top-55-protected, meaning it is likely never to convey, sources told ESPN.

The Rockets are taking on Porter, a 6-foot-4 wing who was the 30th overall pick in the 2019 draft, as a reclamation project after personal issues have prevented him from playing this season. Porter, 20, averaged 10.0 points, 3.2 rebounds and 2.2 assists during a promising rookie year last season.

Sources told ESPN's Brian Windhorst that the Cavaliers decided to trade or waive Porter after he had a screaming match with team officials last Friday night, when he attended his first game of the season. Porter was upset that his locker had been moved to an auxiliary area after his old locker was given to Taurean Prince, who arrived along with Jarrett Allen in the four-team James Harden trade last week.

"After careful and thoughtful evaluation, we made the very difficult and collective decision to make this trade," Cavs GM Koby Altman said in a statement. "Given the culture and environment we have worked to cultivate here in Cleveland, we feel this move is in everyone's best interest.

"Kevin has a bright future ahead of him as a professional basketball player and, at his core, is a good person."

The Athletic first reported the incident with Porter.

Houston will release injured guard Chris Clemons (Achilles tendon) to create a roster spot for Porter, sources said.

The Cavaliers picked up a team option on Porter's contract last month, meaning he is owed $2.13 million for the 2021-22 season. He has another team option for $3.85 million for the 2022-23 season.

There's a difference between parting ways with no further commitment, as opposed to suddenly cutting a guy that you just guaranteed $4.7 million to next season.  If this was a cultural or mental health problem, the Spurs would have attempted to trade him.

[Ed Monix]

I’m sorry but you are pulling out some horrible accusations with 0% evidence.

The simplest answer is usually the correct one.

Primo entered the draft too early and is mentally struggling as a result. This seems to be the same situation as Tyrell Terry and Dallas. The reason they cut Terry was because he needed a stable environment and there are only 15 spots on a roster.

They just guaranteed him more than $4 million for next season, now three weeks later they're cutting him without attempting to trade him?   They're not sending him for a stint in the G-League, or putting him into an NBA counseling program, but instead are cutting ties with him completely? 

Oh, and they also stopped selling his jersey in the team store, and erased all evidence of him off of Spurs instagram, purportedly.

Something big happened here.  This situation is unique in recent NBA history.

The Mavs are still paying Terry's contract, despite cutting him.

You can't trade someone who's have serious mental health issues, it looks bad publicly and you will get nothing in return. You cut him because I'm sure there are other kids in their G-League team who can't be called up to the NBA because the roster is full. Cutting Primo would be the only option, especially if he is dealing with a past trauma.

The evidence suggests he's a victim, so why are people speculating he's secretly a monster?

[Celtics2021]

I’m sorry but you are pulling out some horrible accusations with 0% evidence.

The simplest answer is usually the correct one.

Primo entered the draft too early and is mentally struggling as a result. This seems to be the same situation as Tyrell Terry and Dallas. The reason they cut Terry was because he needed a stable environment and there are only 15 spots on a roster.

They just guaranteed him more than $4 million for next season, now three weeks later they're cutting him without attempting to trade him?   They're not sending him for a stint in the G-League, or putting him into an NBA counseling program, but instead are cutting ties with him completely? 

Oh, and they also stopped selling his jersey in the team store, and erased all evidence of him off of Spurs instagram, purportedly.

Something big happened here.  This situation is unique in recent NBA history.

The Mavs are still paying Terry's contract, despite cutting him.

You can't trade someone who's have serious mental health issues, it looks bad publicly and you will get nothing in return. You cut him because I'm sure there are other kids in their G-League team who can't be called up to the NBA because the roster is full. Cutting Primo would be the only option, especially if he is dealing with a past trauma.

The evidence suggests he's a victim, so why are people speculating he's secretly a monster?

The Mavs aren’t paying Terry’s contract anymore.  His second year was guaranteed, but they released him before picking up his year three option.  The Spurs picked up his option for NEXT season weeks before cutting him for this one.  It is profoundly different.

[Ed Monix]

I’m sorry but you are pulling out some horrible accusations with 0% evidence.

The simplest answer is usually the correct one.

Primo entered the draft too early and is mentally struggling as a result. This seems to be the same situation as Tyrell Terry and Dallas. The reason they cut Terry was because he needed a stable environment and there are only 15 spots on a roster.

They just guaranteed him more than $4 million for next season, now three weeks later they're cutting him without attempting to trade him?   They're not sending him for a stint in the G-League, or putting him into an NBA counseling program, but instead are cutting ties with him completely? 

Oh, and they also stopped selling his jersey in the team store, and erased all evidence of him off of Spurs instagram, purportedly.

Something big happened here.  This situation is unique in recent NBA history.

The Mavs are still paying Terry's contract, despite cutting him.

You can't trade someone who's have serious mental health issues, it looks bad publicly and you will get nothing in return. You cut him because I'm sure there are other kids in their G-League team who can't be called up to the NBA because the roster is full. Cutting Primo would be the only option, especially if he is dealing with a past trauma.

The evidence suggests he's a victim, so why are people speculating he's secretly a monster?

The Mavs aren’t paying Terry’s contract anymore.  His second year was guaranteed, but they released him before picking up his year three option.  The Spurs picked up his option for NEXT season weeks before cutting him for this one.  It is profoundly different.

Sorry I thought Terry's second year was this season.

How is it profoundly different? The Mav's helped Terry and most likely the Spurs picked up Primo's option to help him, because perhaps his mental health issues are that serious, he may never play professional basketball again.

[Roy H.]

I’m sorry but you are pulling out some horrible accusations with 0% evidence.

The simplest answer is usually the correct one.

Primo entered the draft too early and is mentally struggling as a result. This seems to be the same situation as Tyrell Terry and Dallas. The reason they cut Terry was because he needed a stable environment and there are only 15 spots on a roster.

They just guaranteed him more than $4 million for next season, now three weeks later they're cutting him without attempting to trade him?   They're not sending him for a stint in the G-League, or putting him into an NBA counseling program, but instead are cutting ties with him completely? 

Oh, and they also stopped selling his jersey in the team store, and erased all evidence of him off of Spurs instagram, purportedly.

Something big happened here.  This situation is unique in recent NBA history.

The Mavs are still paying Terry's contract, despite cutting him.

You can't trade someone who's have serious mental health issues, it looks bad publicly and you will get nothing in return. You cut him because I'm sure there are other kids in their G-League team who can't be called up to the NBA because the roster is full. Cutting Primo would be the only option, especially if he is dealing with a past trauma.

The evidence suggests he's a victim, so why are people speculating he's secretly a monster?

The Mavs aren’t paying Terry’s contract anymore.  His second year was guaranteed, but they released him before picking up his year three option.  The Spurs picked up his option for NEXT season weeks before cutting him for this one.  It is profoundly different.

Sorry I thought Terry's second year was this season.

How is it profoundly different? The Mav's helped Terry and most likely the Spurs picked up Primo's option to help him, because perhaps his mental health issues are that serious, he may never play professional basketball again.

You think teams altruistically pick up team options to help players?

[Celtics2021]

I’m sorry but you are pulling out some horrible accusations with 0% evidence.

The simplest answer is usually the correct one.

Primo entered the draft too early and is mentally struggling as a result. This seems to be the same situation as Tyrell Terry and Dallas. The reason they cut Terry was because he needed a stable environment and there are only 15 spots on a roster.

They just guaranteed him more than $4 million for next season, now three weeks later they're cutting him without attempting to trade him?   They're not sending him for a stint in the G-League, or putting him into an NBA counseling program, but instead are cutting ties with him completely? 

Oh, and they also stopped selling his jersey in the team store, and erased all evidence of him off of Spurs instagram, purportedly.

Something big happened here.  This situation is unique in recent NBA history.

The Mavs are still paying Terry's contract, despite cutting him.

You can't trade someone who's have serious mental health issues, it looks bad publicly and you will get nothing in return. You cut him because I'm sure there are other kids in their G-League team who can't be called up to the NBA because the roster is full. Cutting Primo would be the only option, especially if he is dealing with a past trauma.

The evidence suggests he's a victim, so why are people speculating he's secretly a monster?

The Mavs aren’t paying Terry’s contract anymore.  His second year was guaranteed, but they released him before picking up his year three option.  The Spurs picked up his option for NEXT season weeks before cutting him for this one.  It is profoundly different.

Sorry I thought Terry's second year was this season.

How is it profoundly different? The Mav's helped Terry and most likely the Spurs picked up Primo's option to help him, because perhaps his mental health issues are that serious, he may never play professional basketball again.

It’s profoundly different because when the Mavs drafted Terry, he was guaranteed two years salary like every first-round pick, because that’s what the CBA requires.  They paid him the minimum they were allowed to under the contract he signed.  The Spurs chose to give Primo an extra $4 million next year, and then cut him weeks later.  Teams give up on 1st rounders after the first year sometimes — it’s rare, but it happens.  I’ve never seen them pick up a future-year option and then release the player weeks later — I’d be willing to bet this is unprecedented, especially for a lottery pick (which is important, because the year 3 option for a late 1st is barely above the minimum salary).

[GreenlyGreeny]

Brad should call up Pops to get the inside scoop. Maybe it was something like Primo called Pops a washed-up Boomer or something. Truly denigrated his legacy in front of the team or something, and Pops overreacted. Would it be surprising for a 19 year old to show such disrespect for someone in his 70s? If it’s something like that, we absolutely pick him off the waiver line.

That said, I strongly suspect this is something very scandalous we will soon hear about.

[Goldstar88]

The San Antonio Spurs' release of guard Joshua Primo -- the No. 12 pick in the 2021 NBA Draft -- stemmed from multiple alleged instances of him exposing himself to women, sources told ESPN.

The decision to release Primo on Friday night was sudden and shocking, and it spoke to the severity of the issues surrounding the promising 19-year old player.

[Roy H.]

Well, I had a feeling it had to do with sexual deviance.  I’m glad the victims weren’t kids.

[Atzar]

It’s tough for me to reconcile the mental health explanation with an outright waiver.  I feel like the common move there would simply be for the team to give him time off so he could get his mind right. 

There must be serious doubt whether Primo will ever play again for them to release him.  I hope the dude gets the help he needs and finds some peace, whatever the case.

Edit:  posted this too late, I see.  Hate hearing that. 

[cons]

Gross.
Good bye!

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

Interesting with tho other thread on cancellation. I’m down for cancelling truly horrific acts. From the ESPN article that I just read, it seems like this guy can earn forgiveness. If he’s contrite (unlike Kanye or Kyrie), he deserves another chance.

[GreenlyGreeny]

So he’s basically the 19 year old NBA version of Louis CK?