Sixers' Bench

[Sophomore]

if the 76ers are gonna rely on Harden to dribble all game---it's gonna be a long season for them, Welcome to Loserville Doc.

Before last night’s game, Jalen Rose gave the stat that thru two games Harden has had more dribbles than the rest of the team combined.

[nickagneta]

It's Harden's style of play that is the issue. Doc wants him playing within the system as a set up man for a #1 scoring option big man. He doesn't want prime Houston Harden, which he is getting. He wants a less ball dominant, more ball movement, better defending Harden.

Doc wants Garden to be a guy that will go for 20 points and 11-12 assists while playing good defense, not the 28 points, 8 assist ball dominating guy that gives all his energy to the offensive side of the ball.

If Doc has a system in place where everyone else is playing one style, expecting passes on the regular from Harden and Harden is playing outside the system being....well, Hardenesque....that's a major problem.

I'm not going to say it's the reason Philly is 0-2. I think they simply got beat by better overall teams, but if Harden doesn't confirm to what Doc wants, his play will become an issue at some point this year. Let's face it, Harden's style has never been conducive to winning playoff basketball and he generally wears out his welcome with other high level players because Harden's game is all about him. Without a change in Harden's ways, Philly will once again be looking in from the outside once the ECFs and Finals are being played.

except the Sixers have been awful when Harden has been on the bench this year.   So unless the argument is that Harden throws the whole team so out of whack that they can't function without him, I just don't see it.

Embiid has been awful.  He isn't in shape and is playing poorly.  To me, it seems like the reason that Harden has been a bit more aggressive is that Embiid has been so bad.  This is clear when Embiid is in the game and Harden isn't.

What exactly does any of this have to do with what I said? What does it matter how the team plays when Harden sits when the issue is how Harden plays while on the court? Perhaps if Harden played the way Doc wants, Harden's while on court +/- would be even better making it okay for the team to be not so great when Harden sits.

I contend that Doc wants Harden playing more like prime Chris Paul(or even Chris Paul of the last few years) rather than prime James Harden. I think he's right.

And as I said, I also don't think Harden's play is the reason they are 0-2. They played two better overall teams that play within their systems. But if Philly is to maximize their wins, they have to get the Harden Doc wants that involves everyone, not the Harden he is getting.

[Moranis]

It's Harden's style of play that is the issue. Doc wants him playing within the system as a set up man for a #1 scoring option big man. He doesn't want prime Houston Harden, which he is getting. He wants a less ball dominant, more ball movement, better defending Harden.

Doc wants Garden to be a guy that will go for 20 points and 11-12 assists while playing good defense, not the 28 points, 8 assist ball dominating guy that gives all his energy to the offensive side of the ball.

If Doc has a system in place where everyone else is playing one style, expecting passes on the regular from Harden and Harden is playing outside the system being....well, Hardenesque....that's a major problem.

I'm not going to say it's the reason Philly is 0-2. I think they simply got beat by better overall teams, but if Harden doesn't confirm to what Doc wants, his play will become an issue at some point this year. Let's face it, Harden's style has never been conducive to winning playoff basketball and he generally wears out his welcome with other high level players because Harden's game is all about him. Without a change in Harden's ways, Philly will once again be looking in from the outside once the ECFs and Finals are being played.

except the Sixers have been awful when Harden has been on the bench this year.   So unless the argument is that Harden throws the whole team so out of whack that they can't function without him, I just don't see it.

Embiid has been awful.  He isn't in shape and is playing poorly.  To me, it seems like the reason that Harden has been a bit more aggressive is that Embiid has been so bad.  This is clear when Embiid is in the game and Harden isn't.

What exactly does any of this have to do with what I said? What does it matter how the team plays when Harden sits when the issue is how Harden plays while on the court? Perhaps if Harden played the way Doc wants, Harden's while on court +/- would be even better making it okay for the team to be not so great when Harden sits.

I contend that Doc wants Harden playing more like prime Chris Paul(or even Chris Paul of the last few years) rather than prime James Harden. I think he's right.

And as I said, I also don't think Harden's play is the reason they are 0-2. They played two better overall teams that play within their systems. But if Philly is to maximize their wins, they have to get the Harden Doc wants that involves everyone, not the Harden he is getting.

Harden is +3. The Sixers are winning with him. It is when Harden is in the bench they fall apart and I contend they are doing so because of Embiid.  Embiid is out of shape and has been awful.  The only way the Sixers can win with an awful Embiid is a more aggressive Harden.  If Harden was playing like this and the team was better when he was on the bench that would be one thing, but that isn't happening because Embiid has been terrible. Harden has had no issue taking a backseat the last several seasons when there is someone worth taking a backseat to, right now Embiid isn't good enough.  Fix Embiid and it works itself out.

[celticsclay]

Are people as jazzed about Harrell signing as they were during off-season after a few games?

[nickagneta]

It's Harden's style of play that is the issue. Doc wants him playing within the system as a set up man for a #1 scoring option big man. He doesn't want prime Houston Harden, which he is getting. He wants a less ball dominant, more ball movement, better defending Harden.

Doc wants Garden to be a guy that will go for 20 points and 11-12 assists while playing good defense, not the 28 points, 8 assist ball dominating guy that gives all his energy to the offensive side of the ball.

If Doc has a system in place where everyone else is playing one style, expecting passes on the regular from Harden and Harden is playing outside the system being....well, Hardenesque....that's a major problem.

I'm not going to say it's the reason Philly is 0-2. I think they simply got beat by better overall teams, but if Harden doesn't confirm to what Doc wants, his play will become an issue at some point this year. Let's face it, Harden's style has never been conducive to winning playoff basketball and he generally wears out his welcome with other high level players because Harden's game is all about him. Without a change in Harden's ways, Philly will once again be looking in from the outside once the ECFs and Finals are being played.

except the Sixers have been awful when Harden has been on the bench this year.   So unless the argument is that Harden throws the whole team so out of whack that they can't function without him, I just don't see it.

Embiid has been awful.  He isn't in shape and is playing poorly.  To me, it seems like the reason that Harden has been a bit more aggressive is that Embiid has been so bad.  This is clear when Embiid is in the game and Harden isn't.

What exactly does any of this have to do with what I said? What does it matter how the team plays when Harden sits when the issue is how Harden plays while on the court? Perhaps if Harden played the way Doc wants, Harden's while on court +/- would be even better making it okay for the team to be not so great when Harden sits.

I contend that Doc wants Harden playing more like prime Chris Paul(or even Chris Paul of the last few years) rather than prime James Harden. I think he's right.

And as I said, I also don't think Harden's play is the reason they are 0-2. They played two better overall teams that play within their systems. But if Philly is to maximize their wins, they have to get the Harden Doc wants that involves everyone, not the Harden he is getting.

Harden is +3. The Sixers are winning with him. It is when Harden is in the bench they fall apart and I contend they are doing so because of Embiid.  Embiid is out of shape and has been awful.  The only way the Sixers can win with an awful Embiid is a more aggressive Harden.  If Harden was playing like this and the team was better when he was on the bench that would be one thing, but that isn't happening because Embiid has been terrible. Harden has had no issue taking a backseat the last several seasons when there is someone worth taking a backseat to, right now Embiid isn't good enough.  Fix Embiid and it works itself out.

Did you miss the part where I said if he played less like prime Harden there's a chance his on court +/- could be even better?

Doc has mentioned several times Harden needs to be a facilitator. Facilitator that also scores, not a scorer who sometimes facilitates.

Yes, Embiid has started poorly and he needs to get better. But it's not his job to be the initiator of the offense that gets everyone involved. That's Harden and he is doing his same old schtick of dribbling the ball to death and looking for his offense and then maybe he'll kick it out to someone or dump it to Embiid.

That's also a MAJOr issue for that team. One I hope they never correct.

[GetLucky]

It's Harden's style of play that is the issue. Doc wants him playing within the system as a set up man for a #1 scoring option big man. He doesn't want prime Houston Harden, which he is getting. He wants a less ball dominant, more ball movement, better defending Harden.

Doc wants Garden to be a guy that will go for 20 points and 11-12 assists while playing good defense, not the 28 points, 8 assist ball dominating guy that gives all his energy to the offensive side of the ball.

If Doc has a system in place where everyone else is playing one style, expecting passes on the regular from Harden and Harden is playing outside the system being....well, Hardenesque....that's a major problem.

I'm not going to say it's the reason Philly is 0-2. I think they simply got beat by better overall teams, but if Harden doesn't confirm to what Doc wants, his play will become an issue at some point this year. Let's face it, Harden's style has never been conducive to winning playoff basketball and he generally wears out his welcome with other high level players because Harden's game is all about him. Without a change in Harden's ways, Philly will once again be looking in from the outside once the ECFs and Finals are being played.

except the Sixers have been awful when Harden has been on the bench this year.   So unless the argument is that Harden throws the whole team so out of whack that they can't function without him, I just don't see it.

Embiid has been awful.  He isn't in shape and is playing poorly.  To me, it seems like the reason that Harden has been a bit more aggressive is that Embiid has been so bad.  This is clear when Embiid is in the game and Harden isn't.

What exactly does any of this have to do with what I said? What does it matter how the team plays when Harden sits when the issue is how Harden plays while on the court? Perhaps if Harden played the way Doc wants, Harden's while on court +/- would be even better making it okay for the team to be not so great when Harden sits.

I contend that Doc wants Harden playing more like prime Chris Paul(or even Chris Paul of the last few years) rather than prime James Harden. I think he's right.

And as I said, I also don't think Harden's play is the reason they are 0-2. They played two better overall teams that play within their systems. But if Philly is to maximize their wins, they have to get the Harden Doc wants that involves everyone, not the Harden he is getting.

Harden is +3. The Sixers are winning with him. It is when Harden is in the bench they fall apart and I contend they are doing so because of Embiid.  Embiid is out of shape and has been awful.  The only way the Sixers can win with an awful Embiid is a more aggressive Harden.  If Harden was playing like this and the team was better when he was on the bench that would be one thing, but that isn't happening because Embiid has been terrible. Harden has had no issue taking a backseat the last several seasons when there is someone worth taking a backseat to, right now Embiid isn't good enough.  Fix Embiid and it works itself out.

Did you miss the part where I said if he played less like prime Harden there's a chance his on court +/- could be even better?

Doc has mentioned several times Harden needs to be a facilitator. Facilitator that also scores, not a scorer who sometimes facilitates.

Yes, Embiid has started poorly and he needs to get better. But it's not his job to be the initiator of the offense that gets everyone involved. That's Harden and he is doing his same old schtick of dribbling the ball to death and looking for his offense and then maybe he'll kick it out to someone or dump it to Embiid.

That's also a MAJOr issue for that team. One I hope they never correct.

Isn't there a clip from the end of preseason of Doc talking to Harden about how he wants him to be much more aggressive looking to score?

[kraidstar]

They need more motion and less forcing the ball to Embiid. He isn't Kareem or Shaq. If the ball movement was more fluid - and he worked within that context - he and his teammates would prosper.

Also he needs to stop with the 3s.

[gouki88]

I just watched Game 1 and it seems to me that Embiid hasn't grown or improved much at all in the last few years.  Sure, when he's in the lane he's pretty unstoppable.  But outside of the lane,  he's a detriment to the team.  Go ahead Joel, take a few more 3's.  Please.

Last two seasons he was a 37% shooter from deep and averaged 30PPG. Averaged over 4APG last season too. I think this undersells his complete offensive game over the last 24 months.

I just think teams have zeroed in on his struggle areas. Double him when he catches it low, try and muscle him into poor positioning on the catch (which he is too willing to give up), and run in transition whilst he flops to the ground.

[gouki88]

It's Harden's style of play that is the issue. Doc wants him playing within the system as a set up man for a #1 scoring option big man. He doesn't want prime Houston Harden, which he is getting. He wants a less ball dominant, more ball movement, better defending Harden.

Doc wants Garden to be a guy that will go for 20 points and 11-12 assists while playing good defense, not the 28 points, 8 assist ball dominating guy that gives all his energy to the offensive side of the ball.

If Doc has a system in place where everyone else is playing one style, expecting passes on the regular from Harden and Harden is playing outside the system being....well, Hardenesque....that's a major problem.

I'm not going to say it's the reason Philly is 0-2. I think they simply got beat by better overall teams, but if Harden doesn't confirm to what Doc wants, his play will become an issue at some point this year. Let's face it, Harden's style has never been conducive to winning playoff basketball and he generally wears out his welcome with other high level players because Harden's game is all about him. Without a change in Harden's ways, Philly will once again be looking in from the outside once the ECFs and Finals are being played.

except the Sixers have been awful when Harden has been on the bench this year.   So unless the argument is that Harden throws the whole team so out of whack that they can't function without him, I just don't see it.

Embiid has been awful.  He isn't in shape and is playing poorly.  To me, it seems like the reason that Harden has been a bit more aggressive is that Embiid has been so bad.  This is clear when Embiid is in the game and Harden isn't.

What exactly does any of this have to do with what I said? What does it matter how the team plays when Harden sits when the issue is how Harden plays while on the court? Perhaps if Harden played the way Doc wants, Harden's while on court +/- would be even better making it okay for the team to be not so great when Harden sits.

I contend that Doc wants Harden playing more like prime Chris Paul(or even Chris Paul of the last few years) rather than prime James Harden. I think he's right.

And as I said, I also don't think Harden's play is the reason they are 0-2. They played two better overall teams that play within their systems. But if Philly is to maximize their wins, they have to get the Harden Doc wants that involves everyone, not the Harden he is getting.

Harden is +3. The Sixers are winning with him. It is when Harden is in the bench they fall apart and I contend they are doing so because of Embiid.  Embiid is out of shape and has been awful.  The only way the Sixers can win with an awful Embiid is a more aggressive Harden.  If Harden was playing like this and the team was better when he was on the bench that would be one thing, but that isn't happening because Embiid has been terrible. Harden has had no issue taking a backseat the last several seasons when there is someone worth taking a backseat to, right now Embiid isn't good enough.  Fix Embiid and it works itself out.

Did you miss the part where I said if he played less like prime Harden there's a chance his on court +/- could be even better?

Doc has mentioned several times Harden needs to be a facilitator. Facilitator that also scores, not a scorer who sometimes facilitates.

Yes, Embiid has started poorly and he needs to get better. But it's not his job to be the initiator of the offense that gets everyone involved. That's Harden and he is doing his same old schtick of dribbling the ball to death and looking for his offense and then maybe he'll kick it out to someone or dump it to Embiid.

That's also a MAJOr issue for that team. One I hope they never correct.

Doc has gone on the record as wanting Harden to aggressively look to score. I don't think Doc knows what he wants

[nickagneta]

It's Harden's style of play that is the issue. Doc wants him playing within the system as a set up man for a #1 scoring option big man. He doesn't want prime Houston Harden, which he is getting. He wants a less ball dominant, more ball movement, better defending Harden.

Doc wants Garden to be a guy that will go for 20 points and 11-12 assists while playing good defense, not the 28 points, 8 assist ball dominating guy that gives all his energy to the offensive side of the ball.

If Doc has a system in place where everyone else is playing one style, expecting passes on the regular from Harden and Harden is playing outside the system being....well, Hardenesque....that's a major problem.

I'm not going to say it's the reason Philly is 0-2. I think they simply got beat by better overall teams, but if Harden doesn't confirm to what Doc wants, his play will become an issue at some point this year. Let's face it, Harden's style has never been conducive to winning playoff basketball and he generally wears out his welcome with other high level players because Harden's game is all about him. Without a change in Harden's ways, Philly will once again be looking in from the outside once the ECFs and Finals are being played.

except the Sixers have been awful when Harden has been on the bench this year.   So unless the argument is that Harden throws the whole team so out of whack that they can't function without him, I just don't see it.

Embiid has been awful.  He isn't in shape and is playing poorly.  To me, it seems like the reason that Harden has been a bit more aggressive is that Embiid has been so bad.  This is clear when Embiid is in the game and Harden isn't.

What exactly does any of this have to do with what I said? What does it matter how the team plays when Harden sits when the issue is how Harden plays while on the court? Perhaps if Harden played the way Doc wants, Harden's while on court +/- would be even better making it okay for the team to be not so great when Harden sits.

I contend that Doc wants Harden playing more like prime Chris Paul(or even Chris Paul of the last few years) rather than prime James Harden. I think he's right.

And as I said, I also don't think Harden's play is the reason they are 0-2. They played two better overall teams that play within their systems. But if Philly is to maximize their wins, they have to get the Harden Doc wants that involves everyone, not the Harden he is getting.

Harden is +3. The Sixers are winning with him. It is when Harden is in the bench they fall apart and I contend they are doing so because of Embiid.  Embiid is out of shape and has been awful.  The only way the Sixers can win with an awful Embiid is a more aggressive Harden.  If Harden was playing like this and the team was better when he was on the bench that would be one thing, but that isn't happening because Embiid has been terrible. Harden has had no issue taking a backseat the last several seasons when there is someone worth taking a backseat to, right now Embiid isn't good enough.  Fix Embiid and it works itself out.

Did you miss the part where I said if he played less like prime Harden there's a chance his on court +/- could be even better?

Doc has mentioned several times Harden needs to be a facilitator. Facilitator that also scores, not a scorer who sometimes facilitates.

Yes, Embiid has started poorly and he needs to get better. But it's not his job to be the initiator of the offense that gets everyone involved. That's Harden and he is doing his same old schtick of dribbling the ball to death and looking for his offense and then maybe he'll kick it out to someone or dump it to Embiid.

That's also a MAJOr issue for that team. One I hope they never correct.

Doc has gone on the record as wanting Harden to aggressively look to score. I don't think Doc knows what he wants

He's also on record as saying he wants Harden to be a "scoring Magic Johnson". Like you said, Doc sending out different public signals.

[gouki88]

It's Harden's style of play that is the issue. Doc wants him playing within the system as a set up man for a #1 scoring option big man. He doesn't want prime Houston Harden, which he is getting. He wants a less ball dominant, more ball movement, better defending Harden.

Doc wants Garden to be a guy that will go for 20 points and 11-12 assists while playing good defense, not the 28 points, 8 assist ball dominating guy that gives all his energy to the offensive side of the ball.

If Doc has a system in place where everyone else is playing one style, expecting passes on the regular from Harden and Harden is playing outside the system being....well, Hardenesque....that's a major problem.

I'm not going to say it's the reason Philly is 0-2. I think they simply got beat by better overall teams, but if Harden doesn't confirm to what Doc wants, his play will become an issue at some point this year. Let's face it, Harden's style has never been conducive to winning playoff basketball and he generally wears out his welcome with other high level players because Harden's game is all about him. Without a change in Harden's ways, Philly will once again be looking in from the outside once the ECFs and Finals are being played.

except the Sixers have been awful when Harden has been on the bench this year.   So unless the argument is that Harden throws the whole team so out of whack that they can't function without him, I just don't see it.

Embiid has been awful.  He isn't in shape and is playing poorly.  To me, it seems like the reason that Harden has been a bit more aggressive is that Embiid has been so bad.  This is clear when Embiid is in the game and Harden isn't.

What exactly does any of this have to do with what I said? What does it matter how the team plays when Harden sits when the issue is how Harden plays while on the court? Perhaps if Harden played the way Doc wants, Harden's while on court +/- would be even better making it okay for the team to be not so great when Harden sits.

I contend that Doc wants Harden playing more like prime Chris Paul(or even Chris Paul of the last few years) rather than prime James Harden. I think he's right.

And as I said, I also don't think Harden's play is the reason they are 0-2. They played two better overall teams that play within their systems. But if Philly is to maximize their wins, they have to get the Harden Doc wants that involves everyone, not the Harden he is getting.

Harden is +3. The Sixers are winning with him. It is when Harden is in the bench they fall apart and I contend they are doing so because of Embiid.  Embiid is out of shape and has been awful.  The only way the Sixers can win with an awful Embiid is a more aggressive Harden.  If Harden was playing like this and the team was better when he was on the bench that would be one thing, but that isn't happening because Embiid has been terrible. Harden has had no issue taking a backseat the last several seasons when there is someone worth taking a backseat to, right now Embiid isn't good enough.  Fix Embiid and it works itself out.

Did you miss the part where I said if he played less like prime Harden there's a chance his on court +/- could be even better?

Doc has mentioned several times Harden needs to be a facilitator. Facilitator that also scores, not a scorer who sometimes facilitates.

Yes, Embiid has started poorly and he needs to get better. But it's not his job to be the initiator of the offense that gets everyone involved. That's Harden and he is doing his same old schtick of dribbling the ball to death and looking for his offense and then maybe he'll kick it out to someone or dump it to Embiid.

That's also a MAJOr issue for that team. One I hope they never correct.

Doc has gone on the record as wanting Harden to aggressively look to score. I don't think Doc knows what he wants

He's also on record as saying he wants Harden to be a "scoring Magic Johnson". Like you said, Doc sending out different public signals.

Maybe if he says enough things, one will come true

[Moranis]

It's Harden's style of play that is the issue. Doc wants him playing within the system as a set up man for a #1 scoring option big man. He doesn't want prime Houston Harden, which he is getting. He wants a less ball dominant, more ball movement, better defending Harden.

Doc wants Garden to be a guy that will go for 20 points and 11-12 assists while playing good defense, not the 28 points, 8 assist ball dominating guy that gives all his energy to the offensive side of the ball.

If Doc has a system in place where everyone else is playing one style, expecting passes on the regular from Harden and Harden is playing outside the system being....well, Hardenesque....that's a major problem.

I'm not going to say it's the reason Philly is 0-2. I think they simply got beat by better overall teams, but if Harden doesn't confirm to what Doc wants, his play will become an issue at some point this year. Let's face it, Harden's style has never been conducive to winning playoff basketball and he generally wears out his welcome with other high level players because Harden's game is all about him. Without a change in Harden's ways, Philly will once again be looking in from the outside once the ECFs and Finals are being played.

except the Sixers have been awful when Harden has been on the bench this year.   So unless the argument is that Harden throws the whole team so out of whack that they can't function without him, I just don't see it.

Embiid has been awful.  He isn't in shape and is playing poorly.  To me, it seems like the reason that Harden has been a bit more aggressive is that Embiid has been so bad.  This is clear when Embiid is in the game and Harden isn't.

What exactly does any of this have to do with what I said? What does it matter how the team plays when Harden sits when the issue is how Harden plays while on the court? Perhaps if Harden played the way Doc wants, Harden's while on court +/- would be even better making it okay for the team to be not so great when Harden sits.

I contend that Doc wants Harden playing more like prime Chris Paul(or even Chris Paul of the last few years) rather than prime James Harden. I think he's right.

And as I said, I also don't think Harden's play is the reason they are 0-2. They played two better overall teams that play within their systems. But if Philly is to maximize their wins, they have to get the Harden Doc wants that involves everyone, not the Harden he is getting.

Harden is +3. The Sixers are winning with him. It is when Harden is in the bench they fall apart and I contend they are doing so because of Embiid.  Embiid is out of shape and has been awful.  The only way the Sixers can win with an awful Embiid is a more aggressive Harden.  If Harden was playing like this and the team was better when he was on the bench that would be one thing, but that isn't happening because Embiid has been terrible. Harden has had no issue taking a backseat the last several seasons when there is someone worth taking a backseat to, right now Embiid isn't good enough.  Fix Embiid and it works itself out.

Did you miss the part where I said if he played less like prime Harden there's a chance his on court +/- could be even better?

Doc has mentioned several times Harden needs to be a facilitator. Facilitator that also scores, not a scorer who sometimes facilitates.

Yes, Embiid has started poorly and he needs to get better. But it's not his job to be the initiator of the offense that gets everyone involved. That's Harden and he is doing his same old schtick of dribbling the ball to death and looking for his offense and then maybe he'll kick it out to someone or dump it to Embiid.

That's also a MAJOr issue for that team. One I hope they never correct.

I didn't miss it at all. I just think it is a result of Embiid being out of shape and quite simply awful.  Embiid has more shots than Harden on the season and even with Embiid being awful, Harden is averaging 8 apg. 

I think the Bucks game really shows this

1st half, Harden scored 9 points on 8 shots, but also had 6 assists.  Embiid was 6 of 14 for 15 points.  The 3rd quarter, Embiid was 0-5 and didn't take a foul shot with 3 turnovers, while Harden was 2 of 4.  Philly was down 10 at the end of the 3rd.  So Harden took over in the 4th quarter scoring 16 points on 7 of 12 shooting as the Sixers got back into the game outscoring the Bucks by 8 in the quarter to lose by 2.  Embiid was 0 of 2 in the 4th and didn't score.  So in the 2nd half of the Bucks game, Embiid was 0-7 with 0 points, 3 turnovers, 2 fouls, with just 3 rebounds and 3 assists.  Harden tried to feed the big man, but he is so out of shape he couldn't do anything in the 2nd half, so Harden had to be more aggressive.

Against the C's, Harden was pretty aggressive to start the game, but only took 4 shots in the 1st quarter (though scored 16 points because he lived at the line), while the Sixers went up 5.  Harden scaled it back in the 2nd and the C's tied it up at half time.  The 2nd half the entire Sixers team was a mess, but Harden only took 5 shots in the 2nd half, while Embiid took 11, Maxey took 10, and Harris took 6. 

[gouki88]

Their bench may be bad, but it isn't bad enough to justify an L to San Antonio at home

[Moranis]

Their bench may be bad, but it isn't bad enough to justify an L to San Antonio at home

Nope.  Embiid showed up.  Harden had 12 assists, but was an awful 4 of 18 from the field. 

[gouki88]

Their bench may be bad, but it isn't bad enough to justify an L to San Antonio at home

Nope.  Embiid showed up.  Harden had 12 assists, but was an awful 4 of 18 from the field.

Seems like they can't get them both to play well in the same game