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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #1530 on: January 31, 2023, 11:00:35 AM »

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I preferred Ime and last year's coaching staff.  I would have liked to see what he could have done with the addition of Brogdon. 

In fairness to Joe, he doesn't have the equivalent of a Will Hardy or Joe Mazzulla on his coaching staff.  He's been good.  But, Ime had us playing at an elite level, which I don't think that this year's team has reached yet despite having more talent.

It is hard to knock Joe when this season's team has more wins than last season's team had at this time.  This was about the time that the team started on a serious run but up to that point, we were like a 0.500 team.  And the team did not look like a well coached team.

I don't entirely disagree with you on your main point.  Ime had a certain maturity to him that I believe rubbed off on the team.  It is tough for a coach as young and inexperienced as Mazzulla to have that.  I just get the feeling that Ime had more authority or something with the team, had more command of the team.

But I had plenty of questions about Ime about this time last season.  He was able to answer them by the end of the season.  With Joe, it kind of seems the opposite, it seemed great to start but somehow, something with the team seems to be slipping away.  I am not going to give up on Joe just yet though.  Last season, the better play started almost overnight.  They just clicked.  Let's see if they can do that again.

Remember, though, Ime had to righten the ship.  Brad had taken a very similar team to a 36-36 record, and had lost in the first round 1-4.  In other words, this was a .500 team when Ime took over, and it's not surprising that the team continued to play like a .500 team until Ime could fix it.  Beginning around the turn of the New Year, beginning with the Phoenix game, the team finished 34-12, and dominated opponents.  Ime also had to incorporate new players like White and Theis, while losing rotation players in Schroeder and Richardson.

Joe's team is coming off a Finals berth, and he had a built in familiarity with the team and the players.  The team also upgraded in talent.  Despite that, the team has seen a fall-off in performance in January, going a respectable 9-5 with a point differential of +2.53.  We'll see how we finish the year.

I don't think it's an apples to apples comparison.


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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #1531 on: January 31, 2023, 11:35:49 AM »

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Wow, Coach Mazzulla named All-Star coach for Team Giannis. If he smart, he'll run his eastern conference competitors to the ground  ;D

Ime never did that.

I wish there were more things Ime never did.

Just kidding! I am Team Joe. The offense looks remarkably better this year and the defense seems to be rounding into form, even with Al and Rob taking it easier this regular season.

EDIT: Yep, the C's are currently 4th in Defensive Rating as a team. The difference between them and #1 (1.2 points per 100) is the same difference between them and #8. They also have the 4th highest offensive rating in the NBA, and they're closer to 1st (.8 per 100 away) than 6th (1.0 per 100 higher).

Yep.  And at least as of a couple of days ago, they were the only team in the top 4 for both.

I preferred Ime and last year's coaching staff.  I would have liked to see what he could have done with the addition of Brogdon. 

In fairness to Joe, he doesn't have the equivalent of a Will Hardy or Joe Mazzulla on his coaching staff.  He's been good.  But, Ime had us playing at an elite level, which I don't think that this year's team has reached yet despite having more talent.

I mean, the Celtics have definitely played at an elite level at points during the season. I don’t think they’d be in first place otherwise. Also, health has been a huge issue this year. Starters are regularly missing time, which began with Rob missing 2+ months right off the bat. If the C’s can get healthier over the all star break, so the team doesn’t have to rely on Hauser, Kornet and Griffin to play meaningful minutes, I’d expect them to look better.
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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #1532 on: January 31, 2023, 11:46:30 AM »

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Big rating (in terms of NBA) for Lakers-Celtics.

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Lakers-Celtics averaged a 2.05 rating and 3.69 million viewers on the latest edition of ABC’s NBA Saturday Primetime, up 12% in ratings and 16% in viewership from Nets-Warriors last year (1.8, 3.17M) and the most-watched NBA regular season game outside of Christmas in three years — since Blazers-Lakers on ESPN in January 2020, the first Laker game after the passing of Kobe Bryant (4.41M).


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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #1533 on: January 31, 2023, 04:39:32 PM »

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Meyers Leonard, a former first-round NBA draft pick who hasn't played in the league since 2021 after using an antisemitic slur during a video game livestream, told ESPN there are "no excuses" for what he did, but that he expects to play in the NBA again.

"I feel like I'm living in a bad dream," Leonard told Jeremy Schaap of "Outside the Lines" in an interview that aired Tuesday. "... There's not a hateful cell in my body. And I know that I made a huge, huge mistake."

Leonard last played in the NBA in January 2021. He was suspended in March 2021 for using an antisemitic slur while playing a video game during a livestream. He underwent ankle surgery in April 2021 and said he suffered nerve damage as a result of the procedure.

Leonard told Schaap that he did not know the history or meaning of the antisemitic slur he used, but said "there's less than ideal language used in a large portion of video gaming."

He added: "There are absolutely no excuses for what happened that day. And ignorance, sadly, is a very real thing. ... I am not running from this, but I did not know that it happened."

After his slur was made public, Leonard apologized on Instagram and was suspended by the NBA for a week. He was also fined $50,000. The week after the incident, Miami traded him to Oklahoma City, which subsequently released him.

"I felt like I had just destroyed my life and everything that I worked for, to be honest," he told Schaap. "... People had every right to, I suppose, make assumptions about me. People were going to have to, in the media, comment on this. And I understand, I do.

"I said, you better go handle this and to show people what's in your heart."

He added: "I thought that it'd be easier to be dead than it would be to deal with what had just happened, because I want everyone to like me. I don't hate anybody. I would never intentionally hurt anybody."

Leonard was asked about Kyrie Irving, who tweeted and posted an Instagram story that included a link to a 2018 film on Amazon that has been described as containing antisemitic disinformation.

"I can only speak for myself and what I would say is that antisemitism is very real and more people do need to be educated and understand everything ... about the history of what's gone on," he said.

Leonard added: "Even more importantly, if you do make a mistake or if you do say something that maybe you didn't intend to hurt somebody, but then you're trying to explain it, it is just simply best, in my opinion, to say sorry and heal what has ever happened."

Said NBA spokesman Mike Bass: "Since his use of a derogatory and unacceptable term in 2021, Meyers Leonard has been held accountable and has dedicated considerable time and effort to understand the impact of his comment. He has met with numerous leaders in the Jewish community and participated in community programs to educate himself and use his platform to share his learnings with others."

Specifically, Leonard noted that he has sought counseling from two rabbis in South Florida. He also said he has met frequently with Jewish organizations and has learned more about antisemitism.

But he understands he'll be known for what he did and will have to deal with that if he returns to an NBA court.

"I'll be a little scared of what someone might say to me, what a fan might say," he told Schaap. "But I always come back to this: Don't give up. If you're a good person and you work hard, things are going to work out in life. And I wholeheartedly believe that."




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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #1534 on: January 31, 2023, 07:00:45 PM »

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Myers Leonard worked out for the Lakers recently right? He must be out of shape because the Lakers could surely use an upgrade for their bench. I wouldn’t mind the Celtics giving him a workout as well. He’s a floor spacing big who could rebound.

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #1535 on: January 31, 2023, 07:38:27 PM »

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Myers Leonard worked out for the Lakers recently right? He must be out of shape because the Lakers could surely use an upgrade for their bench. I wouldn’t mind the Celtics giving him a workout as well. He’s a floor spacing big who could rebound.

Why not?

His comments - at least in written form above - show maturity, contrition, openness, and decency. It’s just a snippet of the guy, but it sounds genuine and he deserves a chance.

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #1536 on: January 31, 2023, 08:30:04 PM »

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Myers Leonard worked out for the Lakers recently right? He must be out of shape because the Lakers could surely use an upgrade for their bench. I wouldn’t mind the Celtics giving him a workout as well. He’s a floor spacing big who could rebound.

Why not?

His comments - at least in written form above - show maturity, contrition, openness, and decency. It’s just a snippet of the guy, but it sounds genuine and he deserves a chance.

What he did is no worse than what Kyrie did, and he's still playing.

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #1537 on: January 31, 2023, 08:53:49 PM »

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Myers Leonard worked out for the Lakers recently right? He must be out of shape because the Lakers could surely use an upgrade for their bench. I wouldn’t mind the Celtics giving him a workout as well. He’s a floor spacing big who could rebound.

Why not?

His comments - at least in written form above - show maturity, contrition, openness, and decency. It’s just a snippet of the guy, but it sounds genuine and he deserves a chance.

What he did is no worse than what Kyrie did, and he's still playing.

Right, but Leonard has also been injured for the last two seasons.  That’s the reason he’s not been in the NBA, not for what he said.

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #1538 on: January 31, 2023, 11:22:11 PM »

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Lebron is now 4th all time in assists.  He entered the Knicks game 7 behind Mark Jackson and 8 behind Steve Nash.  He ended up with 11 and now has 10,338.  Paul currently has 11,246, Kidd is at 12,091, and Stockton is a basically unreachable (for probably everyone) at 15,806. 

Stockton also has nearly 600 more steals than anyone else (3,265 to Kidd's 2,684) and is about 800 ahead of Paul who is in 4th at 2,496.  Lebron is 10th in those at 2,175, moving ahead of Hakeem earlier this year (he could pass Drexler for 9th later this year).  Speaking of Hakeem, he is the official block leader with 3,830, Dikembe is 2nd at 3,289.  Of course everyone knows that Wilt would be 1st and Bill would be 2nd both well ahead of Hakeem.  That said, I'm not sure anyone will come all that close to Hakeem, especially with all of the outside shooting.  Duncan ended up in 6th at 3,020.  Ibaka is the highest active player in 29th place with 1,759.  Lopez is next in 32nd with 1,651.  For rebounds, Wilt has over 2,300 more than Bill who himself has nearly 4,000 more than Moses (and that includes his ABA numbers).  Dwight made it up to 11th, but he is nearly 10,000 behind Wilt. 

I mention this because, Lebron passing Kareem next week might be the last time anyone posting on here sees one of the big 5 records fall, especially if Lebron really does play several more seasons.  You can never say never, but the all time leaders are all going to end up with such a huge gap to even 2nd place, I really don't know if they will fall ever and almost certainly won't in my lifetime. 
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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #1539 on: February 01, 2023, 12:57:29 AM »

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Lebron is now 4th all time in assists.  He entered the Knicks game 7 behind Mark Jackson and 8 behind Steve Nash.  He ended up with 11 and now has 10,338.  Paul currently has 11,246, Kidd is at 12,091, and Stockton is a basically unreachable (for probably everyone) at 15,806. 

Stockton also has nearly 600 more steals than anyone else (3,265 to Kidd's 2,684) and is about 800 ahead of Paul who is in 4th at 2,496.  Lebron is 10th in those at 2,175, moving ahead of Hakeem earlier this year (he could pass Drexler for 9th later this year).  Speaking of Hakeem, he is the official block leader with 3,830, Dikembe is 2nd at 3,289.  Of course everyone knows that Wilt would be 1st and Bill would be 2nd both well ahead of Hakeem.  That said, I'm not sure anyone will come all that close to Hakeem, especially with all of the outside shooting.  Duncan ended up in 6th at 3,020.  Ibaka is the highest active player in 29th place with 1,759.  Lopez is next in 32nd with 1,651.  For rebounds, Wilt has over 2,300 more than Bill who himself has nearly 4,000 more than Moses (and that includes his ABA numbers).  Dwight made it up to 11th, but he is nearly 10,000 behind Wilt. 

I mention this because, Lebron passing Kareem next week might be the last time anyone posting on here sees one of the big 5 records fall, especially if Lebron really does play several more seasons.  You can never say never, but the all time leaders are all going to end up with such a huge gap to even 2nd place, I really don't know if they will fall ever and almost certainly won't in my lifetime.
Mo, I know you have no love lost for me but you really should make your own Lebron fan blog. This stuff doesn’t belong on a Celtics blog. I’m honestly surprised how far the mods have let you go with this on a Celtics fan forum

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #1540 on: February 01, 2023, 02:38:28 AM »

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Just get us a rebounder/spacer...Meyers Leonard works. Don't care about his commentaries from the past, and it sounds like he's genuine. Certain folks deserve another chance. Just play.


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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #1541 on: February 01, 2023, 07:46:23 AM »

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Lebron is now 4th all time in assists.  He entered the Knicks game 7 behind Mark Jackson and 8 behind Steve Nash.  He ended up with 11 and now has 10,338.  Paul currently has 11,246, Kidd is at 12,091, and Stockton is a basically unreachable (for probably everyone) at 15,806. 

Stockton also has nearly 600 more steals than anyone else (3,265 to Kidd's 2,684) and is about 800 ahead of Paul who is in 4th at 2,496.  Lebron is 10th in those at 2,175, moving ahead of Hakeem earlier this year (he could pass Drexler for 9th later this year).  Speaking of Hakeem, he is the official block leader with 3,830, Dikembe is 2nd at 3,289.  Of course everyone knows that Wilt would be 1st and Bill would be 2nd both well ahead of Hakeem.  That said, I'm not sure anyone will come all that close to Hakeem, especially with all of the outside shooting.  Duncan ended up in 6th at 3,020.  Ibaka is the highest active player in 29th place with 1,759.  Lopez is next in 32nd with 1,651.  For rebounds, Wilt has over 2,300 more than Bill who himself has nearly 4,000 more than Moses (and that includes his ABA numbers).  Dwight made it up to 11th, but he is nearly 10,000 behind Wilt. 

I mention this because, Lebron passing Kareem next week might be the last time anyone posting on here sees one of the big 5 records fall, especially if Lebron really does play several more seasons.  You can never say never, but the all time leaders are all going to end up with such a huge gap to even 2nd place, I really don't know if they will fall ever and almost certainly won't in my lifetime.
Mo, I know you have no love lost for me but you really should make your own Lebron fan blog. This stuff doesn’t belong on a Celtics blog. I’m honestly surprised how far the mods have let you go with this on a Celtics fan forum

I'm surprised how far the mods let you go with yur constant digs and disses of Moranis' opinions. Last thing we need is to return to the days of hypersensativity and banning those that we disagree with.

Do your actions fall under the rule of questioning fanhood?

What rule has Moranis broken?

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #1542 on: February 01, 2023, 07:58:11 AM »

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Regarding the above, it probably belongs in the Comments and Remarks section, but...

Fans are allowed to follow other teams and players on here.  If they love Lebron or Kobe or Giannis or whoever, they can be a fanboy.  Hell, we've had non-Celtics fans join the forums over the years, and they're welcome here so long as they follow our rules.

Some of our posters are polarizing figures.  That's happened as long as these forums have existed.  They make up the fabric of the community here.  Remember BBallTim's sometimes irrational love of Rondo?  Scintan's skepticism?  LarBrd33's wild commentaries?  They all got under people's skin from time to time, but they were all essential ingredients over the years.

So, Moranis is Lebron's white knight.  Some of it I find grating, some of it I find interesting or informative.  If I disagree with him, I debate him.  If he annoys me, I ignore him.  And if he says something insightful, I give him a TP.  He's entitled to the same level of respect as every other member.


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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #1543 on: February 01, 2023, 08:40:09 AM »

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Speaking of following players from other teams...

Has anybody checked out how dominant Jokic has been lately?  Like, he's always elite, but in January he was putting up some of the most impressive numbers I can recall:

January:  24.0 points / 11.6 rebounds / 11.3 assists / 67.7% FG% / 53.8% 3PT% / 89.7% FT% / .760 TS%

It's the efficiency that is startlingly good.



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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #1544 on: February 01, 2023, 08:43:31 AM »

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Regarding the above, it probably belongs in the Comments and Remarks section, but...

Fans are allowed to follow other teams and players on here.  If they love Lebron or Kobe or Giannis or whoever, they can be a fanboy.  Hell, we've had non-Celtics fans join the forums over the years, and they're welcome here so long as they follow our rules.

Some of our posters are polarizing figures.  That's happened as long as these forums have existed.  They make up the fabric of the community here.  Remember BBallTim's sometimes irrational love of Rondo?  Scintan's skepticism?  LarBrd33's wild commentaries?  They all got under people's skin from time to time, but they were all essential ingredients over the years.

So, Moranis is Lebron's white knight.  Some of it I find grating, some of it I find interesting or informative.  If I disagree with him, I debate him.  If he annoys me, I ignore him.  And if he says something insightful, I give him a TP.  He's entitled to the same level of respect as every other member.
Thanks.  I will say my post here was more about just how far ahead the all time leaders are from everyone else.  I mean no one has ever come close to Wilt's rebounding record.  Stockton set the assist record during the 94-95 season and no one has gotten close enough to even ponder if everything goes right could they get to him.  Same for Stockton's steals and Hakeem's blocks.  Malone got close to Kareem that it could have been considered (and Jordan looked like he might have had a shot had he not walked away in 93), but that record has stood for nearly 40 years, and Lebron is clearly going to go way past Kareem.  Probably so far past him, I really don't think anyone is going to catch Lebron in my lifetime.  I do think this is the last of the 5 major category stats any of us are going to see broken. 

I also find it interesting that when I posted in this thread that Westbrook went into the top 10 all time in assists there wasn't a comment, it was only when Lebron went from 6th to 4th and I posted about that, that a comment was made.  It seems to me the people that stalk me are very selective in their stalking.
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