Udoka Facing Suspension/Udoka to Nets??

[coco]

Marcus isn't a happy camper.

https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1587861447408852992?t=EkTyBoKSEexQbfmDqMe0_A&s=19

“[Ime's] name got slandered & slaughtered and it was ‘He’ll probably never coach again.' And a couple months later he’s possibly going to be the coach of one of our biggest rivals. It’s tough. It makes no sense."

Agree

[coco]

They are toying with us.It’s embarrassing

[Bobshot]

This whole business has been handled badly by Stevens and Wyc and whoever else is calling the shots these days.
Granted the big markets in NY and LA will do anything to improve--with all the media pressure on those teams.

Nobody really knows what the coach did, and so it's difficult to pass judgement.
It appears as though the Celtics have certain rules about girls and boys mixing in their organization, and  that those rules, however. prudish, were broken, though we have no information about any penalties for the other party or parties involved. Do other teams have such rules? I can attest that certainly isn't true in corporations. It seems ridiculous to hire a bunch of sports women in a sports organization, and not expect there will be some fraternization. Especially with a bunch of very rich players.

The management sure did screw this up, because the players are not happy. You don't want that.
 

[CelticsWhat35]

This whole business has been handled badly by Stevens and Wyc and whoever else is calling the shots these days.
Granted the big markets in NY and LA will do anything to improve--with all the media pressure on those teams.

Nobody really knows what the coach did, and so it's difficult to pass judgement.
It appears as though the Celtics have certain rules about girls and boys mixing in their organization, and  that those rules, however. prudish, were broken, though we have no information about any penalties for the other party or parties involved. Do other teams have such rules? I can attest that certainly isn't true in corporations. It seems ridiculous to hire a bunch of sports women in a sports organization, and not expect there will be some fraternization. Especially with a bunch of very rich players.

The management sure did screw this up, because the players are not happy. You don't want that.

What are you talking about? Of course corporations and other businesses have similar rules.  It’s not about prohibiting office relationships.  It’s dealing with a power dynamic when that relationship is with a subordinate.  Also, from the reports it’s clear that’s not the only issue at hand

[Kernewek]

Marcus doesn't think it makes sense because Marcus is a dude who has literally never had a 'real job' in his life.

Now, I hesitate to level this at folks often because it sounds very Abe Simpson yelling at a cloud, but Marcus's complaint stems from the fact that the players are not being told 'enough' about Udoka's situation. The players aren't/weren't being told 'enough' about Udoka's situation because it's subject to an external, independent investigation stemming from an HR complaint which has massive legal implications for the team.

In other words, The Nets don't know any more than Smart does about this issue - they're just in such a massive tailspin that, despite not knowing what the results of the investigation and not being able to interview any C's employees about the issue, they've decided that whatever happened that caused the Celtics to suspend their head coach after he brought them to the NBA Finals doesn't matter as much to them as winning a few more basketball games.

[gouki88]

Marcus isn't a happy camper.

https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1587861447408852992?t=EkTyBoKSEexQbfmDqMe0_A&s=19

“[Ime's] name got slandered & slaughtered and it was ‘He’ll probably never coach again.' And a couple months later he’s possibly going to be the coach of one of our biggest rivals. It’s tough. It makes no sense."

Thanks Marcus. Without your contribution, I would have never realised that Ime was the real victim all along.

[Roy H.]

From the controversy to Udoka’s potential new job and everything in between, the players have a lot to digest. They don’t all agree with every aspect of the team’s response. “The decision-making behind it, I didn’t have anything to do with it,” Jaylen Brown told reporters. “Some parts I understood, some parts I didn’t. Some parts I agreed with, some parts I didn’t. It wasn’t my decision to make so at the end of the day, I’m just happy to see that he’s able to be a coach and able to proceed with his career despite everything.”
4 hours ago – via Jay King @ The Athletic

[gouki88]

From the controversy to Udoka’s potential new job and everything in between, the players have a lot to digest. They don’t all agree with every aspect of the team’s response. “The decision-making behind it, I didn’t have anything to do with it,” Jaylen Brown told reporters. “Some parts I understood, some parts I didn’t. Some parts I agreed with, some parts I didn’t. It wasn’t my decision to make so at the end of the day, I’m just happy to see that he’s able to be a coach and able to proceed with his career despite everything.”
4 hours ago – via Jay King @ The Athletic

I don’t fully understand what happened or what he did, yet I’m “just happy to see that he’s able to be a coach and able to proceed with his career despite everything.”

You don’t know “everything”, yet are happy to see him proceed with his career. Weird, and it doesn’t ring of someone who went to the FO to complain about Ime’s behaviour.

[Celtics2021]

From the controversy to Udoka’s potential new job and everything in between, the players have a lot to digest. They don’t all agree with every aspect of the team’s response. “The decision-making behind it, I didn’t have anything to do with it,” Jaylen Brown told reporters. “Some parts I understood, some parts I didn’t. Some parts I agreed with, some parts I didn’t. It wasn’t my decision to make so at the end of the day, I’m just happy to see that he’s able to be a coach and able to proceed with his career despite everything.”
4 hours ago – via Jay King @ The Athletic

I don’t fully understand what happened or what he did, yet I’m “just happy to see that he’s able to be a coach and able to proceed with his career despite everything.”

You don’t know “everything”, yet are happy to see him proceed with his career. Weird, and it doesn’t ring of someone who went to the FO to complain about Ime’s behaviour.

The second half I agree with, in that it doesn’t ring with someone who went to the FO.  But it isn’t weird — none of us all know any of the details, but we do, for instance, have a pretty good reason to believe it was nothing criminal (as law enforcement has never been involved), so there’s a certain level of unacceptable behavior we know to didn’t rise to.  Jaylen can be happy that someone he grew close to and helped him become better at his job gets to have a second chance, even if he is or could be convinced that the organization’s reaction was appropriate.

[SHAQATTACK]

Somewhere in the High Up front office …somebody in the Owners group got major butt hurt and put the axe on the rest of the owners and franchise to get rid of Ime . To reveal this whole thing the way they did, makes no sense,  was it to prevent some other events or circumstances from being revealed to the press.  Speculation, says the REAL fire storm is beyond the one lady we know of .  Why she was not let go too, is mysterious item to me .  She knows everything and needs her job.  A deal was struck. She keeps her job to remain quiet ….on the rest of Coach Udoka exploits.   

[sgrogan]

From the controversy to Udoka’s potential new job and everything in between, the players have a lot to digest. They don’t all agree with every aspect of the team’s response. “The decision-making behind it, I didn’t have anything to do with it,” Jaylen Brown told reporters. “Some parts I understood, some parts I didn’t. Some parts I agreed with, some parts I didn’t. It wasn’t my decision to make so at the end of the day, I’m just happy to see that he’s able to be a coach and able to proceed with his career despite everything.”
4 hours ago – via Jay King @ The Athletic

I don’t fully understand what happened or what he did, yet I’m “just happy to see that he’s able to be a coach and able to proceed with his career despite everything.”

You don’t know “everything”, yet are happy to see him proceed with his career. Weird, and it doesn’t ring of someone who went to the FO to complain about Ime’s behaviour.

The second half I agree with, in that it doesn’t ring with someone who went to the FO.  But it isn’t weird — none of us all know any of the details, but we do, for instance, have a pretty good reason to believe it was nothing criminal (as law enforcement has never been involved), so there’s a certain level of unacceptable behavior we know to didn’t rise to.  Jaylen can be happy that someone he grew close to and helped him become better at his job gets to have a second chance, even if he is or could be convinced that the organization’s reaction was appropriate.

It doesn't ring that way, but it isn't inconsistent either.

Someone goes to HR, in good faith, to report inappropriate behavior. The intention is to stop the behavior.
"I'm certainty not trying to get them fired"
Management reacts, more sternly than the reporter anticipated.
"I didn't want this to happen, but we can't just sweep it under the rug. I hope we can all learn from the situation and go forward, I wish them luck in their new endeavors."

[Celtics2021]

From the controversy to Udoka’s potential new job and everything in between, the players have a lot to digest. They don’t all agree with every aspect of the team’s response. “The decision-making behind it, I didn’t have anything to do with it,” Jaylen Brown told reporters. “Some parts I understood, some parts I didn’t. Some parts I agreed with, some parts I didn’t. It wasn’t my decision to make so at the end of the day, I’m just happy to see that he’s able to be a coach and able to proceed with his career despite everything.”
4 hours ago – via Jay King @ The Athletic

I don’t fully understand what happened or what he did, yet I’m “just happy to see that he’s able to be a coach and able to proceed with his career despite everything.”

You don’t know “everything”, yet are happy to see him proceed with his career. Weird, and it doesn’t ring of someone who went to the FO to complain about Ime’s behaviour.

The second half I agree with, in that it doesn’t ring with someone who went to the FO.  But it isn’t weird — none of us all know any of the details, but we do, for instance, have a pretty good reason to believe it was nothing criminal (as law enforcement has never been involved), so there’s a certain level of unacceptable behavior we know to didn’t rise to.  Jaylen can be happy that someone he grew close to and helped him become better at his job gets to have a second chance, even if he is or could be convinced that the organization’s reaction was appropriate.

It doesn't ring that way, but it isn't inconsistent either.

Someone goes to HR, in good faith, to report inappropriate behavior. The intention is to stop the behavior.
"I'm certainty not trying to get them fired"
Management reacts, more sternly than the reporter anticipated.
"I didn't want this to happen, but we can't just sweep it under the rug. I hope we can all learn from the situation and go forward, I wish them luck in their new endeavors."

It doesn’t ring because the full rumor was Jaylen felt that Udoka was behind trying to trade him to Brooklyn for Durant, and went to HR as revenge.

[sgrogan]

From the controversy to Udoka’s potential new job and everything in between, the players have a lot to digest. They don’t all agree with every aspect of the team’s response. “The decision-making behind it, I didn’t have anything to do with it,” Jaylen Brown told reporters. “Some parts I understood, some parts I didn’t. Some parts I agreed with, some parts I didn’t. It wasn’t my decision to make so at the end of the day, I’m just happy to see that he’s able to be a coach and able to proceed with his career despite everything.”
4 hours ago – via Jay King @ The Athletic

I don’t fully understand what happened or what he did, yet I’m “just happy to see that he’s able to be a coach and able to proceed with his career despite everything.”

You don’t know “everything”, yet are happy to see him proceed with his career. Weird, and it doesn’t ring of someone who went to the FO to complain about Ime’s behaviour.

The second half I agree with, in that it doesn’t ring with someone who went to the FO.  But it isn’t weird — none of us all know any of the details, but we do, for instance, have a pretty good reason to believe it was nothing criminal (as law enforcement has never been involved), so there’s a certain level of unacceptable behavior we know to didn’t rise to.  Jaylen can be happy that someone he grew close to and helped him become better at his job gets to have a second chance, even if he is or could be convinced that the organization’s reaction was appropriate.

It doesn't ring that way, but it isn't inconsistent either.

Someone goes to HR, in good faith, to report inappropriate behavior. The intention is to stop the behavior.
"I'm certainty not trying to get them fired"
Management reacts, more sternly than the reporter anticipated.
"I didn't want this to happen, but we can't just sweep it under the rug. I hope we can all learn from the situation and go forward, I wish them luck in their new endeavors."

It doesn’t ring because the full rumor was Jaylen felt that Udoka was behind trying to trade him to Brooklyn for Durant, and went to HR as revenge.

I am purposely using "someone", I'm not saying this somehow ties Jaylen into the situation. Reporters can rightfully be anonymous. A report doesn't need to be motivated by revenge. Sometimes management's response will be different than the reporter's expectations.

[radiohead]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10054558-hillary-cauthen-sues-josh-primo-spurs-says-primo-exposed-himself-to-her-9-times

https://www.thedailybeast.com/dumped-san-antonio-star-josh-primo-goes-after-hillary-cauthen-the-team-doctor-who-exposed-him

This is an interesting twist in the Josh Primo case which is exactly what the Celtics may have avoided by suspending Ime.  I mean if the accuser(s) went public and exposed what Ime allegedly did to them, then the Celtics organization would have been made out as enablers? Maybe there was a deal wherein the accuser(s) agreed not to say anything as long as Ime was kept out of the team?

[RJ87]

This whole business has been handled badly by Stevens and Wyc and whoever else is calling the shots these days.
Granted the big markets in NY and LA will do anything to improve--with all the media pressure on those teams.

Nobody really knows what the coach did, and so it's difficult to pass judgement.
It appears as though the Celtics have certain rules about girls and boys mixing in their organization, and  that those rules, however. prudish, were broken, though we have no information about any penalties for the other party or parties involved. Do other teams have such rules? I can attest that certainly isn't true in corporations. It seems ridiculous to hire a bunch of sports women in a sports organization, and not expect there will be some fraternization. Especially with a bunch of very rich players.

The management sure did screw this up, because the players are not happy. You don't want that.

Plenty of corporations have rules regarding fraternizing and it's usually most stringent around relationships between management and subordinates.

Seems irresponsible for corporations not to have some sort of language about it in their employee handbook, if no other reason than to protect themselves against lawsuits.