Are we going to lose players to expansion?

[liam]

Are we going to lose players to an expansion draft?

[bdm860]

IIRC, how expansion drafts have worked in the past is each team can protect only 8 players, and anybody else is fair game to be selected in the expansion draft.

Also deals can be made with the expansion teams, i.e. will give you a first round pick to draft a certain guy from our roster or not to draft a certain guy.

[Roy H.]

Probably not, if Brad continues to populate the end of the bench with dumpster finds.

But, that's probably years away.

[sgrogan]

Probably not, if Brad continues to populate the end of the bench with dumpster finds.

But, that's probably years away.

That's funny. I believe you could protect 8, but must make at least one player available even if you have 8 or less under contract. So Brad's ahead of the curve.

The last time you could only lose 1 player but that was with just one expansion team, so the rules might be different with 2 expansion teams.

[bdm860]

Probably not, if Brad continues to populate the end of the bench with dumpster finds.

But, that's probably years away.

If the expansion draft was today, for this upcoming season, I see the C's protecting:

Tatum
Brown
Brogdon
Smart
White
Time Lord
Pritchard
Grant Williams

That's 8.  And they purposely don't protect Horford because they view the odds of an expansion team drafting him as minimal.

If they think a team will draft Horford though, then worst case that leaves Grant Williams or Payton Pritchard selectable.  That's the worst case scenario.

Maybe C's offer a 2nd round pick for a team to take Gallinari off the books.

[Smartacus]

If the expansion draft was today...

Protect 8
Tatum
Brown
Smart
Williams III
Horford
Brogdon
White
Grant Williams

Pritchard, Galinari, JD Davison, Hauser, Kornet are slim pickings for an incoming team

[Roy H.]

If the expansion draft was today...

Protect 8
Tatum
Brown
Smart
Williams III
Horford
Brogdon
White
Grant Williams

Pritchard, Galinari, JD Davison, Hauser, Kornet are slim pickings for an incoming team

I'd take Pritchard.  He's got some value, even if it's probably not particularly high.

[celticsclay]

If the expansion draft was today...

Protect 8
Tatum
Brown
Smart
Williams III
Horford
Brogdon
White
Grant Williams

Pritchard, Galinari, JD Davison, Hauser, Kornet are slim pickings for an incoming team

I'd take Pritchard.  He's got some value, even if it's probably not particularly high.

This seems insane to me that this would be the exact rule. A team with 12 hornets and Pritchard might go winless. If you are only getting 9th best players from teams you by definition will not have a single nba starter on your team. Was this how bad the raptors and grizzlies were?
Edit: I just looked at the raptors and grizzlies draft and it was actually that bad. Wonder if the nba will tweak this. With how they reacted to the 10 win 76ers team I don’t think they want to add two Washington generals type teams to the league that will be that bad for at least 3 years

[Roy H.]

If the expansion draft was today...

Protect 8
Tatum
Brown
Smart
Williams III
Horford
Brogdon
White
Grant Williams

Pritchard, Galinari, JD Davison, Hauser, Kornet are slim pickings for an incoming team

I'd take Pritchard.  He's got some value, even if it's probably not particularly high.

This seems insane to me that this would be the exact rule. A team with 12 hornets and Pritchard might go winless. If you are only getting 9th best players from teams you by definition will not have a single nba starter on your team. Was this how bad the raptors and grizzlies were?
Edit: I just looked at the raptors and grizzlies draft and it was actually that bad. Wonder if the nba will tweak this. With how they reacted to the 10 win 76ers team I don’t think they want to add two Washington generals type teams to the league that will be that bad for at least 3 years

I think the worst rule from the Raptors / Grizzlies coming in was that those teams weren't eligible to win the NBA lottery in their first three years.  It was a stupid rule, insisted upon (most likely) because the other owners were upset that the Magic landed Shaq in their third season.

Why on earth would the Commissioner think Shaq to Orlando was a bad thing?  It instantly gave that franchise credibility.  I hope whenever expansion happens that they toss out that anti-competitive rule.

[sgrogan]

Last time Charlotte had a reduced cap the first 2 years (66%-75%)
I wonder if that will be in effect this/next time.

[Roy H.]

Last time Charlotte had a reduced cap the first 2 years (66%-75%)
I wonder if that will be in effect this/next time.

Hopefully not.  More anti-competition. 

I reserve the right to change my mind if that cap space happens to be in an off-season that Brown or Tatum are up for a new contract.

[Celtics2021]

If the expansion draft was today...

Protect 8
Tatum
Brown
Smart
Williams III
Horford
Brogdon
White
Grant Williams

Pritchard, Galinari, JD Davison, Hauser, Kornet are slim pickings for an incoming team

I'd take Pritchard.  He's got some value, even if it's probably not particularly high.

This seems insane to me that this would be the exact rule. A team with 12 hornets and Pritchard might go winless. If you are only getting 9th best players from teams you by definition will not have a single nba starter on your team. Was this how bad the raptors and grizzlies were?
Edit: I just looked at the raptors and grizzlies draft and it was actually that bad. Wonder if the nba will tweak this. With how they reacted to the 10 win 76ers team I don’t think they want to add two Washington generals type teams to the league that will be that bad for at least 3 years

I believe they also allowed teams to trade picks to the expansion teams for picking/not picking certain players.

[sgrogan]

Last time Charlotte had a reduced cap the first 2 years (66%-75%)
I wonder if that will be in effect this/next time.

Hopefully not.  More anti-competition. 

I reserve the right to change my mind if that cap space happens to be in an off-season that Brown or Tatum are up for a new contract.

I agree. I can kind of see it from ownership's side. The new franchises are not pulling in their share of the revenues.
Let the teams come in with a clean cap sheet and become competitive immediately. I think that would probably drive even more revenue.

[bdm860]

If the expansion draft was today...

Protect 8
Tatum
Brown
Smart
Williams III
Horford
Brogdon
White
Grant Williams

Pritchard, Galinari, JD Davison, Hauser, Kornet are slim pickings for an incoming team

I'd take Pritchard.  He's got some value, even if it's probably not particularly high.

This seems insane to me that this would be the exact rule. A team with 12 hornets and Pritchard might go winless. If you are only getting 9th best players from teams you by definition will not have a single nba starter on your team. Was this how bad the raptors and grizzlies were?
Edit: I just looked at the raptors and grizzlies draft and it was actually that bad. Wonder if the nba will tweak this. With how they reacted to the 10 win 76ers team I don’t think they want to add two Washington generals type teams to the league that will be that bad for at least 3 years

I think the worst rule from the Raptors / Grizzlies coming in was that those teams weren't eligible to win the NBA lottery in their first three years.  It was a stupid rule, insisted upon (most likely) because the other owners were upset that the Magic landed Shaq in their third season.

Why on earth would the Commissioner think Shaq to Orlando was a bad thing?  It instantly gave that franchise credibility.  I hope whenever expansion happens that they toss out that anti-competitive rule.

It looks like they already tossed it because that rule didn't apply to Charlotte (other than the first year they were drafting before they played any games).  Though I don't have a problem with the rule, as I would have guessed it was put in place because you don't want teams to come in and tank right away.  At least try to win a few games.

(On top of the Shaq thing, I found it funny that Shaq+Penny was deemed bad for the league and caused the whole draft lottery to be revamped.  They were the hottest product in the NBA their 3 years together.  That had to be one of the best things to happen to the NBA at that time.)



When it comes to putting together sucky teams though, the teams still have the draft and trades and free agents to fill out the roster.

In the '04 expansion draft for Charlotte, they drafted all bums (I remembered some C's fans feeling cheated that the team lost Brandon Hunter for nothing lol), but less than half ever played a game for them (and only 3 made it past year 1)  And they went on to win 18, 26, 33 games in their first 3 years.  Not bad progress from starting with nothing.

Similarly. Toronto only kept half the guys from the expansion draft, and only 3 made it more than a year.  Vancouver kept the most (8/13) and were the worst, but still only 3 made it beyond the first season.

Sign a couple of vets, make some trades, and you can put together a team better than the 10 win Sixers if you have competent management.

[Roy H.]

(On top of the Shaq thing, I found it funny, that Shaq+Penny was deemed bad for the league and caused the whole draft lottery to be revamped.  They were the hottest product in the NBA their 3 years together.  That had to be one of the best things to happen to the NBA at that time.)

Yep.  It was like the best possible thing for the NBA, and they sought to kill it.  Luckily for Toronto, they were able to draft marketable stars in Vince Carter and T-mac (and even Stoudamire).  The Grizzlies did pretty well with Shareef-Abdul Rahim, and later Pau Gasol, but those guys didn't have the same "it" factor.  It didn't help that they drafted Big Country, Steve Francis, and Antonio Daniels early on.

I just looked at that Steve Francis trade, who was picked #2:

August 27, 1999: As part of a 3-team trade, traded by the Vancouver Grizzlies with Tony Massenburg to the Houston Rockets; the Houston Rockets traded Antoine Carr, Michael Dickerson, Othella Harrington, Brent Price and a 2003 1st round draft pick (Marcus Banks was later selected) to the Vancouver Grizzlies; the Orlando Magic traded Don MacLean and a 2001 1st round draft pick (Jason Collins was later selected) to the Houston Rockets; the Orlando Magic traded a 2002 2nd round draft pick (Matt Barnes was later selected) to the Vancouver Grizzlies; and the Vancouver Grizzlies traded Lee Mayberry, Makhtar N'Diaye, Rodrick Rhodes and Michael Smith to the Orlando Magic. Trade originally included promised 1st-rd pick that became 2001 pick after it was acquired by Orlando from Phoenix

What am I missing here?  That seems an awful lot like trading the #2 pick for a bag of crap.