Who adds more, Valentine or Kemba?

[sgrogan]

I think that the correct answer is probably that both add so little value that neither should be on the roster of an NBA contender.

Kemba at least adds leadership and good character.  I'm not sure what Valentine adds to a contender.

Was Kembas leadership good here? It seemed like we were kind of excited to get rid of him for Al’s leadership

I think his leadership was fine. He was a max contract player that could be counted on to play.

He needs to find a team that has a young PG that he can mentor and will pay him a salary close to what he loses in the buyout.
If he could re-invent himself as a low usage microwave scorer he might hold on a few more years. But like IT4 he needs someone to take a chance and he will be on a short trigger.

[nickagneta]

For a regular 5 minute type spot, I'd take Valentine, but if I needed a guy to play starter minutes every once in a while I'd prefer Kemba.

I don't think Kemba is that guy anymore...

He did have that "hot" streak last year the week leading up the Christmas. It started with 29 pts against us and finished with a triple double on Christmas day. He averaged over 40 mpg on that 4 game stretch.

Then The Knicks paid to get rid of him...

Since we assume that the Nicks front office screws everything else up, why do we assume that their dropping Kemba was smart?
I saw a YouTube video from Coach Nick that dug into analytics and showed that the big problem last year for the Nicks was Randle.
Maybe people should stop running Kemba down? He certainly didn't screw us like Kyrie.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c_5QckkpygQ

We also traded to get rid of him. Kemba did his best while in Boston but I think he's done.

I thought we traded to get rid of his contract. If Kemba was making the minimum, he probably doesn't get traded.

For the minimum, I'ld rather have Kemba than some guys on the end of the bench at the moment, including Valentine. Problem is, the team doesn't need a very small, 6-7th guard in the rotation player on this team. Pritchard has that role.

[Roy H.]

For a regular 5 minute type spot, I'd take Valentine, but if I needed a guy to play starter minutes every once in a while I'd prefer Kemba.

I don't think Kemba is that guy anymore...

He did have that "hot" streak last year the week leading up the Christmas. It started with 29 pts against us and finished with a triple double on Christmas day. He averaged over 40 mpg on that 4 game stretch.

Then The Knicks paid to get rid of him...

Since we assume that the Nicks front office screws everything else up, why do we assume that their dropping Kemba was smart?
I saw a YouTube video from Coach Nick that dug into analytics and showed that the big problem last year for the Nicks was Randle.
Maybe people should stop running Kemba down? He certainly didn't screw us like Kyrie.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c_5QckkpygQ

We also traded to get rid of him. Kemba did his best while in Boston but I think he's done.

I thought we traded to get rid of his contract. If Kemba was making the minimum, he probably doesn't get traded.

For the minimum, I'ld rather have Kemba than some guys on the end of the bench at the moment, including Valentine. Problem is, the team doesn't need a very small, 6-7th guard in the rotation player on this team. Pritchard has that role.

Yeah, plenty of depth at point guard.  Same thing with SG, really.  Any role for Valentine will probably be guarding small forwards, and wing span or not, I don't like him in that role.  (If we wanted a reclamation project at SF, I would have targeted Josh Jackson, who at least has played some decent defense.  Or RHJ.  Or probably a few other guys who are better than Valentine.)

[Moranis]

For a regular 5 minute type spot, I'd take Valentine, but if I needed a guy to play starter minutes every once in a while I'd prefer Kemba.

I don't think Kemba is that guy anymore...

I think Kemba would be fine every once in awhile playing big minutes.  He had several very nice games last year with New York.  He can't do it consistently though and he isn't good enough for anyone to want him to, but in a pinch when other guys are out, I'd trust Kemba a lot more than a lot of players to not hurt the team.

[liam]

For a regular 5 minute type spot, I'd take Valentine, but if I needed a guy to play starter minutes every once in a while I'd prefer Kemba.

I don't think Kemba is that guy anymore...

I think Kemba would be fine every once in awhile playing big minutes.  He had several very nice games last year with New York.  He can't do it consistently though and he isn't good enough for anyone to want him to, but in a pinch when other guys are out, I'd trust Kemba a lot more than a lot of players to not hurt the team.

Kemba can't guard anyone. I don't think he'd smell the court under Ime!

[liam]

Could we have a third choice in this?

[No Nickname]

For a regular 5 minute type spot, I'd take Valentine, but if I needed a guy to play starter minutes every once in a while I'd prefer Kemba.

I don't think Kemba is that guy anymore...

I think Kemba would be fine every once in awhile playing big minutes.  He had several very nice games last year with New York.  He can't do it consistently though and he isn't good enough for anyone to want him to, but in a pinch when other guys are out, I'd trust Kemba a lot more than a lot of players to not hurt the team.

Agreed.  For a vet minimum I'd pick him up in a heartbeat.

[Goldstar88]

For a regular 5 minute type spot, I'd take Valentine, but if I needed a guy to play starter minutes every once in a while I'd prefer Kemba.

I don't think Kemba is that guy anymore...

I think Kemba would be fine every once in awhile playing big minutes.  He had several very nice games last year with New York.  He can't do it consistently though and he isn't good enough for anyone to want him to, but in a pinch when other guys are out, I'd trust Kemba a lot more than a lot of players to not hurt the team.

Agreed.  For a vet minimum I'd pick him up in a heartbeat.

So whose time are you taking away in order to give Kemba 5-10mins per game:Brown, Smart, Brogdon, White or Pritchard?

[gouki88]

I wouldn't want either, but if I had to choose I would take Kemba and it is not particularly close. Denzel Valentine is trash.

https://stathead.com/tiny/bF5gp

[Moranis]

For a regular 5 minute type spot, I'd take Valentine, but if I needed a guy to play starter minutes every once in a while I'd prefer Kemba.

I don't think Kemba is that guy anymore...

I think Kemba would be fine every once in awhile playing big minutes.  He had several very nice games last year with New York.  He can't do it consistently though and he isn't good enough for anyone to want him to, but in a pinch when other guys are out, I'd trust Kemba a lot more than a lot of players to not hurt the team.

Agreed.  For a vet minimum I'd pick him up in a heartbeat.

So whose time are you taking away in order to give Kemba 5-10mins per game:Brown, Smart, Brogdon, White or Pritchard?

I believe you have misread this line of posts.

[Goldstar88]

For a regular 5 minute type spot, I'd take Valentine, but if I needed a guy to play starter minutes every once in a while I'd prefer Kemba.

I don't think Kemba is that guy anymore...

I think Kemba would be fine every once in awhile playing big minutes.  He had several very nice games last year with New York.  He can't do it consistently though and he isn't good enough for anyone to want him to, but in a pinch when other guys are out, I'd trust Kemba a lot more than a lot of players to not hurt the team.

Agreed.  For a vet minimum I'd pick him up in a heartbeat.

So whose time are you taking away in order to give Kemba 5-10mins per game:Brown, Smart, Brogdon, White or Pritchard?

I believe you have misread this line of posts.

So the C’s would sign Kemba and not give him any minutes unless multiple guys are out? He is a high volume shooter who needs many reps in order to get into a rhythm and be effective. You can’t put Kemba on ice and then periodically throw him out there for big minutes and expect good results. This isn’t NBA2K

[Moranis]

For a regular 5 minute type spot, I'd take Valentine, but if I needed a guy to play starter minutes every once in a while I'd prefer Kemba.

I don't think Kemba is that guy anymore...

I think Kemba would be fine every once in awhile playing big minutes.  He had several very nice games last year with New York.  He can't do it consistently though and he isn't good enough for anyone to want him to, but in a pinch when other guys are out, I'd trust Kemba a lot more than a lot of players to not hurt the team.

Agreed.  For a vet minimum I'd pick him up in a heartbeat.

So whose time are you taking away in order to give Kemba 5-10mins per game:Brown, Smart, Brogdon, White or Pritchard?

I believe you have misread this line of posts.

So the C’s would sign Kemba and not give him any minutes unless multiple guys are out? He is a high volume shooter who needs many reps in order to get into a rhythm and be effective. You can’t put Kemba on ice and then periodically throw him out there for big minutes and expect good results. This isn’t NBA2K

the C's aren't signing kemba or Denzel.  It was a hypothetical which I answered.  I just think you weren't following at all as you don't seem to be getting it.

[Goldstar88]

For a regular 5 minute type spot, I'd take Valentine, but if I needed a guy to play starter minutes every once in a while I'd prefer Kemba.

I don't think Kemba is that guy anymore...

I think Kemba would be fine every once in awhile playing big minutes.  He had several very nice games last year with New York.  He can't do it consistently though and he isn't good enough for anyone to want him to, but in a pinch when other guys are out, I'd trust Kemba a lot more than a lot of players to not hurt the team.

Agreed.  For a vet minimum I'd pick him up in a heartbeat.

So whose time are you taking away in order to give Kemba 5-10mins per game:Brown, Smart, Brogdon, White or Pritchard?

I believe you have misread this line of posts.

So the C’s would sign Kemba and not give him any minutes unless multiple guys are out? He is a high volume shooter who needs many reps in order to get into a rhythm and be effective. You can’t put Kemba on ice and then periodically throw him out there for big minutes and expect good results. This isn’t NBA2K

the C's aren't signing kemba or Denzel.  It was a hypothetical which I answered.  I just think you weren't following at all as you don't seem to be getting it.

Right, 90% of what is discussed on this site is hypothetical. Should be somewhat realistic, though.

[Moranis]

For a regular 5 minute type spot, I'd take Valentine, but if I needed a guy to play starter minutes every once in a while I'd prefer Kemba.

I don't think Kemba is that guy anymore...

I think Kemba would be fine every once in awhile playing big minutes.  He had several very nice games last year with New York.  He can't do it consistently though and he isn't good enough for anyone to want him to, but in a pinch when other guys are out, I'd trust Kemba a lot more than a lot of players to not hurt the team.

Agreed.  For a vet minimum I'd pick him up in a heartbeat.

So whose time are you taking away in order to give Kemba 5-10mins per game:Brown, Smart, Brogdon, White or Pritchard?

I believe you have misread this line of posts.

So the C’s would sign Kemba and not give him any minutes unless multiple guys are out? He is a high volume shooter who needs many reps in order to get into a rhythm and be effective. You can’t put Kemba on ice and then periodically throw him out there for big minutes and expect good results. This isn’t NBA2K

the C's aren't signing kemba or Denzel.  It was a hypothetical which I answered.  I just think you weren't following at all as you don't seem to be getting it.

Right, 90% of what is discussed on this site is hypothetical. Should be somewhat realistic, though.

Sure, but I never said Kemba would go weeks without playing and then start and play for a few games and then go back to not playing.  That was entirely your assumption, which just wasn't accurate, which comes back to me saying, you weren't following what was being said. 

[Goldstar88]

For a regular 5 minute type spot, I'd take Valentine, but if I needed a guy to play starter minutes every once in a while I'd prefer Kemba.

I don't think Kemba is that guy anymore...

I think Kemba would be fine every once in awhile playing big minutes.  He had several very nice games last year with New York.  He can't do it consistently though and he isn't good enough for anyone to want him to, but in a pinch when other guys are out, I'd trust Kemba a lot more than a lot of players to not hurt the team.

Agreed.  For a vet minimum I'd pick him up in a heartbeat.

So whose time are you taking away in order to give Kemba 5-10mins per game:Brown, Smart, Brogdon, White or Pritchard?

I believe you have misread this line of posts.

So the C’s would sign Kemba and not give him any minutes unless multiple guys are out? He is a high volume shooter who needs many reps in order to get into a rhythm and be effective. You can’t put Kemba on ice and then periodically throw him out there for big minutes and expect good results. This isn’t NBA2K

the C's aren't signing kemba or Denzel.  It was a hypothetical which I answered.  I just think you weren't following at all as you don't seem to be getting it.

Right, 90% of what is discussed on this site is hypothetical. Should be somewhat realistic, though.

Sure, but I never said Kemba would go weeks without playing and then start and play for a few games and then go back to not playing.  That was entirely your assumption, which just wasn't accurate, which comes back to me saying, you weren't following what was being said.

I asked how it would work in the scenario you gave in terms of minutes distribution and never received an answer. So how would it work? Whose minutes would be reduced or eliminated to allow Kemba to get some court time.