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Re: NFL 2022 Season
« Reply #1005 on: December 28, 2022, 04:29:47 PM »

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Teams under .500 in any is league sport should not make the playoffs.

I agree. And if such a thing is happening frequently, that league needs to cut back on the number of teams that make the playoffs. Which, of course, will not happen, because that would mean less revenue for the teams and the league.
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Re: NFL 2022 Season
« Reply #1006 on: December 28, 2022, 04:35:16 PM »

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Everything you're saying makes sense, but I just can't get past what, in my view, is the absurd optics of, for example, an 8-9 team or possibly even 7-10 team making the playoffs. Maybe that example team had a really tough schedule, like you said, but if a team goes only 8-9 against a tough schedule, to me that says they're not worthy of making the playoffs. Now, it could also be true that an 11-6 team had a soft schedule and isn't really playoff worthy, but since they won a large percentage of their games, they deserve a shot to prove whether they're actually good. At least, that's how I see it. ;D
I remember the year the Patriots were 11-5 and missed the playoffs while the 8-8 Chargers won the AFC West and made it in.  This board was all up in arms, but the Chargers beat the Patriots 30-10 that year.  The Chargers also played the NFC South in which the worst record was 8-8 while the Patriots had the NFC West, whose best team was 9-7 and had 2 of the 4 worst teams in football in it.  The Chargers ended up beating the 12-4 Colts in the 1st round before losing to eventual Super Bowl champion Steelers in the next round. 

The schedule is so much more important in the NFL than any of the other sports because it is so short.  Who you play and even when you play them just matters so much.  That is why the NFL rewards division winners with automatic playoff berths and why they let those teams host playoff games.

That's a good example of what you're arguing, but I'm sure there are examples of the opposite as well, if I wanted to take the time to research, which I don't. ;D Suffice it to say that you make a fair point, one I'll try to keep in mind when this year's South division winners clinch playoff spots with underwhelming records. ;) Though I doubt my annoyance level will be any less, lol.
Teams under .500 making the playoffs

2020 - Washington - lost 1st game to eventual champion Tampa Bay 31-23 (the 2nd closest game Tampa played in the playoffs that year) on WC weekend
2014 - Carolina - beat 11-5 Arizona in 1st round, lost to defending champion Seattle in divisional round (Seattle would lose to New England in Superbowl)
2010 - Seattle - beat 11-5 New Orleans in 1st round, lost to Bears in 2nd round

That is it going back to 2002 when 4 division in each conference started.  I suspect it didn't happen much, if at all, before the 4th division was added.

Over that same span there have been several 8-8 teams making the playoffs as well.  In 2004 both the Vikings and Rams made it in as 8-8 wild card teams.  They both went on the road in the wild card round and won road games, though both lost their 2nd road game in the divisional round.  The Chargers team I mentioned also won its 1st game (and that was the same year that 9-7 Arizona made the Superbowl).  The Giants made it at 8-8 in 2006 and they did lose the 1st round.  The only other 8-8 team was Denver in 2011 and they also won the 1st game, before losing in their 2nd.

So since the advent of 4 divisions per conference, there have been 8 teams that have made it in the playoffs with a .500 or worse record and 6 of the 8 won their first playoff game.
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Re: NFL 2022 Season
« Reply #1007 on: December 28, 2022, 04:47:35 PM »

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Everything you're saying makes sense, but I just can't get past what, in my view, is the absurd optics of, for example, an 8-9 team or possibly even 7-10 team making the playoffs. Maybe that example team had a really tough schedule, like you said, but if a team goes only 8-9 against a tough schedule, to me that says they're not worthy of making the playoffs. Now, it could also be true that an 11-6 team had a soft schedule and isn't really playoff worthy, but since they won a large percentage of their games, they deserve a shot to prove whether they're actually good. At least, that's how I see it. ;D
I remember the year the Patriots were 11-5 and missed the playoffs while the 8-8 Chargers won the AFC West and made it in.  This board was all up in arms, but the Chargers beat the Patriots 30-10 that year.  The Chargers also played the NFC South in which the worst record was 8-8 while the Patriots had the NFC West, whose best team was 9-7 and had 2 of the 4 worst teams in football in it.  The Chargers ended up beating the 12-4 Colts in the 1st round before losing to eventual Super Bowl champion Steelers in the next round. 

The schedule is so much more important in the NFL than any of the other sports because it is so short.  Who you play and even when you play them just matters so much.  That is why the NFL rewards division winners with automatic playoff berths and why they let those teams host playoff games.

That's a good example of what you're arguing, but I'm sure there are examples of the opposite as well, if I wanted to take the time to research, which I don't. ;D Suffice it to say that you make a fair point, one I'll try to keep in mind when this year's South division winners clinch playoff spots with underwhelming records. ;) Though I doubt my annoyance level will be any less, lol.
Teams under .500 making the playoffs

2020 - Washington - lost 1st game to eventual champion Tampa Bay 31-23 (the 2nd closest game Tampa played in the playoffs that year) on WC weekend
2014 - Carolina - beat 11-5 Arizona in 1st round, lost to defending champion Seattle in divisional round (Seattle would lose to New England in Superbowl)
2010 - Seattle - beat 11-5 New Orleans in 1st round, lost to Bears in 2nd round

That is it going back to 2002 when 4 division in each conference started.  I suspect it didn't happen much, if at all, before the 4th division was added.

Over that same span there have been several 8-8 teams making the playoffs as well.  In 2004 both the Vikings and Rams made it in as 8-8 wild card teams.  They both went on the road in the wild card round and won road games, though both lost their 2nd road game in the divisional round.  The Chargers team I mentioned also won its 1st game (and that was the same year that 9-7 Arizona made the Superbowl).  The Giants made it at 8-8 in 2006 and they did lose the 1st round.  The only other 8-8 team was Denver in 2011 and they also won the 1st game, before losing in their 2nd.

So since the advent of 4 divisions per conference, there have been 8 teams that have made it in the playoffs with a .500 or worse record and 6 of the 8 won their first playoff game.

My point is being 500 or under..no wildcard team should have the right to make the playoffs.

It's not about how well they do in the first round a handful or so times. It's the fact they're in it in the first place.

Re: NFL 2022 Season
« Reply #1008 on: December 28, 2022, 04:49:32 PM »

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Everything you're saying makes sense, but I just can't get past what, in my view, is the absurd optics of, for example, an 8-9 team or possibly even 7-10 team making the playoffs. Maybe that example team had a really tough schedule, like you said, but if a team goes only 8-9 against a tough schedule, to me that says they're not worthy of making the playoffs. Now, it could also be true that an 11-6 team had a soft schedule and isn't really playoff worthy, but since they won a large percentage of their games, they deserve a shot to prove whether they're actually good. At least, that's how I see it. ;D
I remember the year the Patriots were 11-5 and missed the playoffs while the 8-8 Chargers won the AFC West and made it in.  This board was all up in arms, but the Chargers beat the Patriots 30-10 that year.  The Chargers also played the NFC South in which the worst record was 8-8 while the Patriots had the NFC West, whose best team was 9-7 and had 2 of the 4 worst teams in football in it.  The Chargers ended up beating the 12-4 Colts in the 1st round before losing to eventual Super Bowl champion Steelers in the next round. 

The schedule is so much more important in the NFL than any of the other sports because it is so short.  Who you play and even when you play them just matters so much.  That is why the NFL rewards division winners with automatic playoff berths and why they let those teams host playoff games.

That's a good example of what you're arguing, but I'm sure there are examples of the opposite as well, if I wanted to take the time to research, which I don't. ;D Suffice it to say that you make a fair point, one I'll try to keep in mind when this year's South division winners clinch playoff spots with underwhelming records. ;) Though I doubt my annoyance level will be any less, lol.
Teams under .500 making the playoffs

2020 - Washington - lost 1st game to eventual champion Tampa Bay 31-23 (the 2nd closest game Tampa played in the playoffs that year) on WC weekend
2014 - Carolina - beat 11-5 Arizona in 1st round, lost to defending champion Seattle in divisional round (Seattle would lose to New England in Superbowl)
2010 - Seattle - beat 11-5 New Orleans in 1st round, lost to Bears in 2nd round

That is it going back to 2002 when 4 division in each conference started.  I suspect it didn't happen much, if at all, before the 4th division was added.

Over that same span there have been several 8-8 teams making the playoffs as well.  In 2004 both the Vikings and Rams made it in as 8-8 wild card teams.  They both went on the road in the wild card round and won road games, though both lost their 2nd road game in the divisional round.  The Chargers team I mentioned also won its 1st game (and that was the same year that 9-7 Arizona made the Superbowl).  The Giants made it at 8-8 in 2006 and they did lose the 1st round.  The only other 8-8 team was Denver in 2011 and they also won the 1st game, before losing in their 2nd.

So since the advent of 4 divisions per conference, there have been 8 teams that have made it in the playoffs with a .500 or worse record and 6 of the 8 won their first playoff game.

That's better than I thought. Though seeing a team make the playoffs with a .500 record is a bit easier to stomach than seeing a sub-.500 team make it.
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Re: NFL 2022 Season
« Reply #1009 on: December 28, 2022, 11:34:50 PM »

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Derek Carr benched for Jarrett Stidham.

Carr is stepping away from the team after being benched. Devante Adams doesn't seem happy about the demotion as he was the reason why Adams came to the Raiders. I think McDoofus has lost the locker room.


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Re: NFL 2022 Season
« Reply #1010 on: December 29, 2022, 04:52:33 AM »

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Derek Carr benched for Jarrett Stidham.

Carr is stepping away from the team after being benched. Devante Adams doesn't seem happy about the demotion as he was the reason why Adams came to the Raiders. I think McDoofus has lost the locker room.
I think Raiders may fire him
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Re: NFL 2022 Season
« Reply #1011 on: December 29, 2022, 10:20:53 AM »

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Derek Carr benched for Jarrett Stidham.

Carr is stepping away from the team after being benched. Devante Adams doesn't seem happy about the demotion as he was the reason why Adams came to the Raiders. I think McDoofus has lost the locker room.
I think Raiders may fire him

I doubt it. I don't know the figures off the top of my head but I think there was a time earlier in the season where people were saying the same, but apparently they can't because then they'd still owe McDaniels a ton of money and that money would still be on the books if they let him go.
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Re: NFL 2022 Season
« Reply #1012 on: December 29, 2022, 10:22:15 AM »

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Carr might actually be a solid Plan B or C option for QB-needy teams. The obvious two ahead of him are Brady and Jimmy G.

Carr does have issues playing in the cold. His stats aren't as stellar in those situations. But like, if the Jets can trade Wilson + some picks to acquire Carr (and this is assuming they don't get Jimmy G) I think the Jets become a legit playoff team and probably a contender thanks to their already stout defense and some of the weapons they already have, plus a young RB core
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Re: NFL 2022 Season
« Reply #1013 on: December 29, 2022, 10:49:22 AM »

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Re: NFL 2022 Season
« Reply #1014 on: December 29, 2022, 11:22:14 AM »

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Carr might actually be a solid Plan B or C option for QB-needy teams. The obvious two ahead of him are Brady and Jimmy G.

Carr does have issues playing in the cold. His stats aren't as stellar in those situations. But like, if the Jets can trade Wilson + some picks to acquire Carr (and this is assuming they don't get Jimmy G) I think the Jets become a legit playoff team and probably a contender thanks to their already stout defense and some of the weapons they already have, plus a young RB core
Why is Jimmy G ahead of Carr.  Carr has significantly better numbers and has been far more durable.
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Re: NFL 2022 Season
« Reply #1015 on: December 29, 2022, 11:50:01 AM »

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Derek Carr benched for Jarrett Stidham.

Carr is stepping away from the team after being benched. Devante Adams doesn't seem happy about the demotion as he was the reason why Adams came to the Raiders. I think McDoofus has lost the locker room.
I think Raiders may fire him

I doubt it. I don't know the figures off the top of my head but I think there was a time earlier in the season where people were saying the same, but apparently they can't because then they'd still owe McDaniels a ton of money and that money would still be on the books if they let him go.

Don't they stil owe Gruden a stupid amount of money on top of that?
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Re: NFL 2022 Season
« Reply #1016 on: December 29, 2022, 01:34:40 PM »

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Derek Carr benched for Jarrett Stidham.

Carr is stepping away from the team after being benched. Devante Adams doesn't seem happy about the demotion as he was the reason why Adams came to the Raiders. I think McDoofus has lost the locker room.
I think Raiders may fire him

Adams wasn't a FA. He was traded to the Raiders. The owner already commented on Josh’s job status last month and I’d imagine he’s notified before major decisions (like benching Carr) are made.

"People in today's world want instant gratification. The guy's coached nine games. We're 2-7, not the results we're looking for but at the same time we've lost six one-score games with the ball and a chance to win at the end," Davis said.

Asked about giving a vote of confidence to McDaniels, who was hired in January, Davis said that happened when he signed him to a deal.

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Re: NFL 2022 Season
« Reply #1017 on: December 29, 2022, 02:30:56 PM »

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Carr might actually be a solid Plan B or C option for QB-needy teams. The obvious two ahead of him are Brady and Jimmy G.

Carr does have issues playing in the cold. His stats aren't as stellar in those situations. But like, if the Jets can trade Wilson + some picks to acquire Carr (and this is assuming they don't get Jimmy G) I think the Jets become a legit playoff team and probably a contender thanks to their already stout defense and some of the weapons they already have, plus a young RB core
Why is Jimmy G ahead of Carr.  Carr has significantly better numbers and has been far more durable.

The durability part is true, but I just think Jimmy G is a winner. The stats and record don't lie, he somehow can get it done.

The margin isn't that big, I'm not saying Jimmy G is miles ahead of Carr. And tbh I do think the weather aspect is a real factor. Carr isn't that good in cold weather. Not to say I wouldn't take a chance at him if I'm the Jets or another cold-weather team, but it's something to consider
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Re: NFL 2022 Season
« Reply #1018 on: December 29, 2022, 04:57:58 PM »

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Carr might actually be a solid Plan B or C option for QB-needy teams. The obvious two ahead of him are Brady and Jimmy G.

Carr does have issues playing in the cold. His stats aren't as stellar in those situations. But like, if the Jets can trade Wilson + some picks to acquire Carr (and this is assuming they don't get Jimmy G) I think the Jets become a legit playoff team and probably a contender thanks to their already stout defense and some of the weapons they already have, plus a young RB core
Why is Jimmy G ahead of Carr.  Carr has significantly better numbers and has been far more durable.

The durability part is true, but I just think Jimmy G is a winner. The stats and record don't lie, he somehow can get it done.

The margin isn't that big, I'm not saying Jimmy G is miles ahead of Carr. And tbh I do think the weather aspect is a real factor. Carr isn't that good in cold weather. Not to say I wouldn't take a chance at him if I'm the Jets or another cold-weather team, but it's something to consider
Jimmy G has played in San Francisco, Carr has been a Raider his entire life.  Maybe just maybe that is reason Garoppolo wins more than Carr, but the stats certainly do not favor Jimmy.  Carr has significantly better stats.  Carr has also finished 3rd in MVP voting with 3 Pro Bowls.  Jimmy has never made a Pro Bowl. 

If both are free agents, Carr will have a bigger market.  He is better and more durable. 
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Re: NFL 2022 Season
« Reply #1019 on: December 29, 2022, 05:00:09 PM »

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Derek Carr benched for Jarrett Stidham.

Carr is stepping away from the team after being benched. Devante Adams doesn't seem happy about the demotion as he was the reason why Adams came to the Raiders. I think McDoofus has lost the locker room.
I think Raiders may fire him

Adams wasn't a FA. He was traded to the Raiders. The owner already commented on Josh’s job status last month and I’d imagine he’s notified before major decisions (like benching Carr) are made.

"People in today's world want instant gratification. The guy's coached nine games. We're 2-7, not the results we're looking for but at the same time we've lost six one-score games with the ball and a chance to win at the end," Davis said.

Asked about giving a vote of confidence to McDaniels, who was hired in January, Davis said that happened when he signed him to a deal.

"I gave him my vote of confidence when I signed him to a contract to be coach of the Raiders. That's when I gave it to him," he told ESPN.

Davis added: "Rome was not built in a day."


That's just weasel language for "we know our coach sucks, but we're too cheap to pay for a third head coach under contract".

I'm not quite sure how the Raiders' offense is as bad as it is.  Carr is at least average, the running game is very good, Adams is a top-3 receiver, etc.


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