Woj: Donovan Mitchell to Cavs

[celticsclay]

Interesting, Mobley is now ineligible for the rookie max extension in 2024 because they traded for Mitchell.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/268515/Evan-Mobley-Ineligible-For-Rookie-Scale-Max-In-2024-After-Cavs-Traded-For-Donovan-Mitchell

Those really are dumb rules. I mean the Nets couldn't acquire Bam because of Simmons either.  Just dumb.

I disagree. I think this kind of rule prevents the bigger franchises from using smaller markets as farm systems. Maybe there's a better way to do that, but it seems to make sense to me.

I didn’t really understand why they had created that rule but it actually makes a lot of sense thinking about it like that. Don’t want Anthony edwards going off to LA the second his rookie contract ends.

[Birdman]

All sports have some kind of dumb rules

[Moranis]

All sports have some kind of dumb rules

Sure, but rules that harm the smaller market teams are especially dumb.

[Big333223]

Wish we could swoop in on this and get Markannen.

Zach Lowe mentioned Utah would probably like to get a 1st for Markannen but also doesn't think they could get a first for him. There's a spot for him on this team now that Gallo's out but he makes a lot of money.

I wonder about Rudy Gay and Jarred Vanderbilt, though. Vanderbilt could be a nice fit defensively but he can shoot and seems like he's more of a PF than a center?

[Moranis]

Wish we could swoop in on this and get Markannen.

Zach Lowe mentioned Utah would probably like to get a 1st for Markannen but also doesn't think they could get a first for him. There's a spot for him on this team now that Gallo's out but he makes a lot of money.

I wonder about Rudy Gay and Jarred Vanderbilt, though. Vanderbilt could be a nice fit defensively but he can shoot and seems like he's more of a PF than a center?

Vanderbilt will cost more than Boston should pay.  Gay can probably be had and fits into the TPE, but I'd rather just sign Carmelo as he is better, cheaper, and costs nothing to acquire

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Wish we could swoop in on this and get Markannen.

Zach Lowe mentioned Utah would probably like to get a 1st for Markannen but also doesn't think they could get a first for him. There's a spot for him on this team now that Gallo's out but he makes a lot of money.

I wonder about Rudy Gay and Jarred Vanderbilt, though. Vanderbilt could be a nice fit defensively but he can shoot and seems like he's more of a PF than a center?

Vanderbilt will cost more than Boston should pay.  Gay can probably be had and fits into the TPE, but I'd rather just sign Carmelo as he is better, cheaper, and costs nothing to acquire

I guess I'm thinking itd be nice to have an actual rotation player that could play in the playoffs. I think Vanderbilt Markannen are both that. I don't think either Gay or Melo are.

[kraidstar]

Wish we could swoop in on this and get Markannen.

Zach Lowe mentioned Utah would probably like to get a 1st for Markannen but also doesn't think they could get a first for him. There's a spot for him on this team now that Gallo's out but he makes a lot of money.

I wonder about Rudy Gay and Jarred Vanderbilt, though. Vanderbilt could be a nice fit defensively but he can shoot and seems like he's more of a PF than a center?

Wellll.....

We own the Blazers' 2nd and Houston's 2nd (protected 31-32) this coming year. If Utah can't get a 1st for Markannen we have a fine alternative offer. Though matching salaries would be difficult.

[Celtics2021]

Wish we could swoop in on this and get Markannen.

Zach Lowe mentioned Utah would probably like to get a 1st for Markannen but also doesn't think they could get a first for him. There's a spot for him on this team now that Gallo's out but he makes a lot of money.

I wonder about Rudy Gay and Jarred Vanderbilt, though. Vanderbilt could be a nice fit defensively but he can shoot and seems like he's more of a PF than a center?

Wellll.....

We own the Blazers' 2nd and Houston's 2nd (protected 31-32) this coming year. If Utah can't get a 1st for Markannen we have a fine alternative offer. Though matching salaries would be difficult.

This is the real problem.  We’d have to send out a minimum of $13.1 million to match for Markkanen, and there’s no way to do that in the off-season without sending out at least one rotation player.

In the regular season it would be tricky as well, although then you could add Gallo’s salary once December 15th rolls around to get halfway to the goal.

[No Nickname]

Wish we could swoop in on this and get Markannen.

Zach Lowe mentioned Utah would probably like to get a 1st for Markannen but also doesn't think they could get a first for him. There's a spot for him on this team now that Gallo's out but he makes a lot of money.

I wonder about Rudy Gay and Jarred Vanderbilt, though. Vanderbilt could be a nice fit defensively but he can shoot and seems like he's more of a PF than a center?

Wellll.....

We own the Blazers' 2nd and Houston's 2nd (protected 31-32) this coming year. If Utah can't get a 1st for Markannen we have a fine alternative offer. Though matching salaries would be difficult.

This is the real problem.  We’d have to send out a minimum of $13.1 million to match for Markkanen, and there’s no way to do that in the off-season without sending out at least one rotation player.

In the regular season it would be tricky as well, although then you could add Gallo’s salary once December 15th rolls around to get halfway to the goal.

What could the other half be? 

Would Pritchard, Kornet, and Hauser do it?

[td450]

Wish we could swoop in on this and get Markannen.

Zach Lowe mentioned Utah would probably like to get a 1st for Markannen but also doesn't think they could get a first for him. There's a spot for him on this team now that Gallo's out but he makes a lot of money.

I wonder about Rudy Gay and Jarred Vanderbilt, though. Vanderbilt could be a nice fit defensively but he can shoot and seems like he's more of a PF than a center?

Wellll.....

We own the Blazers' 2nd and Houston's 2nd (protected 31-32) this coming year. If Utah can't get a 1st for Markannen we have a fine alternative offer. Though matching salaries would be difficult.

This is the real problem.  We’d have to send out a minimum of $13.1 million to match for Markkanen, and there’s no way to do that in the off-season without sending out at least one rotation player.

In the regular season it would be tricky as well, although then you could add Gallo’s salary once December 15th rolls around to get halfway to the goal.

What could the other half be? 

Would Pritchard, Kornet, and Hauser do it?

Not quite.

I always start by thinking about whether the  minutes, shots and roles fit, not the money.

Markannen is not a 9th or 10th man. You don't go and get him unless you think he's a guy you can play 20-25 minutes. You might as well trade Grant Williams or Derrick White if you want him on your team. If you swap either for a bigger guy like Markannen, Tatum and Brown can just shift down a bit to cover the difference.

I'm not confident I know enough about him to decide myself, but that much is clear.

Is he a competitive guy? I don't know, but if he is, he's got some serious tools.

[No Nickname]

Wish we could swoop in on this and get Markannen.

Zach Lowe mentioned Utah would probably like to get a 1st for Markannen but also doesn't think they could get a first for him. There's a spot for him on this team now that Gallo's out but he makes a lot of money.

I wonder about Rudy Gay and Jarred Vanderbilt, though. Vanderbilt could be a nice fit defensively but he can shoot and seems like he's more of a PF than a center?

Wellll.....

We own the Blazers' 2nd and Houston's 2nd (protected 31-32) this coming year. If Utah can't get a 1st for Markannen we have a fine alternative offer. Though matching salaries would be difficult.

This is the real problem.  We’d have to send out a minimum of $13.1 million to match for Markkanen, and there’s no way to do that in the off-season without sending out at least one rotation player.

In the regular season it would be tricky as well, although then you could add Gallo’s salary once December 15th rolls around to get halfway to the goal.

What could the other half be? 

Would Pritchard, Kornet, and Hauser do it?

Not quite.

I always start by thinking about whether the  minutes, shots and roles fit, not the money.

Markannen is not a 9th or 10th man. You don't go and get him unless you think he's a guy you can play 20-25 minutes. You might as well trade Grant Williams or Derrick White if you want him on your team.

This makes no sense if you can get him for lesser pieces. 

And he very well could be a 9th man, playing 15mpg.

You’re attaching very restrictive elements to your rationale.

[Big333223]

Wish we could swoop in on this and get Markannen.

Zach Lowe mentioned Utah would probably like to get a 1st for Markannen but also doesn't think they could get a first for him. There's a spot for him on this team now that Gallo's out but he makes a lot of money.

I wonder about Rudy Gay and Jarred Vanderbilt, though. Vanderbilt could be a nice fit defensively but he can shoot and seems like he's more of a PF than a center?

Wellll.....

We own the Blazers' 2nd and Houston's 2nd (protected 31-32) this coming year. If Utah can't get a 1st for Markannen we have a fine alternative offer. Though matching salaries would be difficult.

This is the real problem.  We’d have to send out a minimum of $13.1 million to match for Markkanen, and there’s no way to do that in the off-season without sending out at least one rotation player.

In the regular season it would be tricky as well, although then you could add Gallo’s salary once December 15th rolls around to get halfway to the goal.

What could the other half be? 

Would Pritchard, Kornet, and Hauser do it?

Not quite.

I always start by thinking about whether the  minutes, shots and roles fit, not the money.

Markannen is not a 9th or 10th man. You don't go and get him unless you think he's a guy you can play 20-25 minutes. You might as well trade Grant Williams or Derrick White if you want him on your team. If you swap either for a bigger guy like Markannen, Tatum and Brown can just shift down a bit to cover the difference.

I'm not confident I know enough about him to decide myself, but that much is clear.

Is he a competitive guy? I don't know, but if he is, he's got some serious tools.

Vanderbilt would be much easier, financially.

But he can't shoot and doesn't really fill that bench scorer roll Gallo was going to. I have no clue what his market is. For a non-shooting big in today's NBA who was a 2nd round pick a few years ago, I doubt anyone is going to give up a first rounder for him now.

If none of the bigs the C's are bringing in to camp pop, I'd want to keep tabs on Vanderbilt.

[No Nickname]

If the Hornets’ season looks like a dumpster fire in January I’d like to try and get Mason Plumlee before the trade deadline.

Gallinari, Pritchard, and some flotsam/jetsam could get it done. Maybe throw in one of those 2nd rounders we have.

Maybe a third team who could take Pritchard and return a young big to Charlotte as the Hornets have depth already at the guard positions.

[td450]

Woj posted this Tweet on 9/1:

"At the start of trade talks in July, New York offered Utah a Donovan Mitchell package including RJ Barrett, Obi Toppin, Mitchell Robinson and three unprotected first-round picks, sources tell ESPN. Jazz turned down that offer and Robinson signed a $60M extension to stay w/ NY."

Did Ainge screw up a bit here? The Knick picks will probably be far more valuable than the same from the Cavs, and you could make an argument the players would be more appealing to a rebuild too.

[Csfan1984]

Woj posted this Tweet on 9/1:

"At the start of trade talks in July, New York offered Utah a Donovan Mitchell package including RJ Barrett, Obi Toppin, Mitchell Robinson and three unprotected first-round picks, sources tell ESPN. Jazz turned down that offer and Robinson signed a $60M extension to stay w/ NY."

Did Ainge screw up a bit here? The Knick picks will probably be far more valuable than the same from the Cavs, and you could make an argument the players would be more appealing to a rebuild too.

If that was the offer, yes they blew it. RJ is solid and could have netted two extra first not just swaps. Topping probably also nets a 1st. So that's six first round picks. Then Robinson gets you a 1st swap. All three guys were flippable for seven total picks.

I still very much doubt that was the deal offered. I don't think RJ was offered at all though that's what was being rumored. Feel it was Randle being offered in a package not RJ.