Don’t Do It, Brad

[Ed Monix]

Brad Stevens: “Deuce, should I trade Jaylen Brown?”

Deuce: “Hell Nawww”

[nickagneta]

Seeing some major assumptions happening here, as well as negative feelings about Jaylen being projected into false realities.

So let me look at it from a different point of view.

This is old news. It is being linked from Brooklyn. Yes, Brad called to see what the Nets wanted for KD and when Brad heard JB, the conversation went dark. Brooklyn sees Brown as their best target in a KD trade,so is leaking the story now while trying to make it sound recent, in order to push Brad back to the bargaining table.

Brown's "likes" on tweets is trolling because he has a weird sense of humor and his "SMH" tweet is because he knows the Nets leaked the story and not Brad because Brad told him week's ago about his discussions with the Nets and Brad assured him he will be a Celtic for life if that's what he wants

Makes as much sense as any other scenario out there that people are making assumptions about what's happening right now.

So if you are the Celtics management, why not come out and say that JB is untouchable then? like the team has said regarding Tatum in the past. I would love for you to be right on this one, Nick.

As long as Brad and Jaylen are good, not sure why Stevens has to go public saying anything. Marcus Smart's name has been dropped too. Does Stevens have to go public about reassuring Marcus and the fan base he is not being traded? White? Grant?

Or is it just easier to publicly say nothing or next to nothing about trade stuff and to keep open, honest communication with your players so they know what's happening about rumors and such?

Given the trades that Brad has made are all under the wire moves that didn't leak, I think a couple things are true. One, my statement above about not publicly commenting on trade rumors is true. And B, that a front office that is so good about not leaking anything they are working on with trades they have made, suddenly is very sloppy and leaks this info about a Brad led trade discussion. Especially when such a leak is not advantageous for the Celtics.

That's my scenario. It's as good as anyone else's.

[Goldstar88]

Seeing some major assumptions happening here, as well as negative feelings about Jaylen being projected into false realities.

So let me look at it from a different point of view.

This is old news. It is being linked from Brooklyn. Yes, Brad called to see what the Nets wanted for KD and when Brad heard JB, the conversation went dark. Brooklyn sees Brown as their best target in a KD trade,so is leaking the story now while trying to make it sound recent, in order to push Brad back to the bargaining table.

Brown's "likes" on tweets is trolling because he has a weird sense of humor and his "SMH" tweet is because he knows the Nets leaked the story and not Brad because Brad told him week's ago about his discussions with the Nets and Brad assured him he will be a Celtic for life if that's what he wants

Makes as much sense as any other scenario out there that people are making assumptions about what's happening right now.

So if you are the Celtics management, why not come out and say that JB is untouchable then? like the team has said regarding Tatum in the past. I would love for you to be right on this one, Nick.

As long as Brad and Jaylen are good, not sure why Stevens has to go public saying anything. Marcus Smart's name has been dropped too. Does Stevens have to go public about reassuring Marcus and the fan base he is not being traded? White? Grant?

Or is it just easier to publicly say nothing or next to nothing about trade stuff and to keep open, honest communication with your players so they know what's happening about rumors and such?

Given the trades that Brad has made are all under the wire moves that didn't leak, I think a couple things are true. One, my statement above about not publicly commenting on trade rumors is true. And B, that a front office that is so good about not leaking anything they are working on with trades they have made, suddenly is very sloppy and leaks this info about a Brad led trade discussion. Especially when such a leak is not advantageous for the Celtics.

That's my scenario. It's as good as anyone else's.

Just saying the team has said in the past that Tatum is untouchable, so I wish they would do the same for JB if that is indeed the case.You make some valid points, though. Especially the one about Brad's moves all being under the radar. That makes me a bit more optimistic about this trade not happening. TP to you.

[nickagneta]

Seeing some major assumptions happening here, as well as negative feelings about Jaylen being projected into false realities.

So let me look at it from a different point of view.

This is old news. It is being linked from Brooklyn. Yes, Brad called to see what the Nets wanted for KD and when Brad heard JB, the conversation went dark. Brooklyn sees Brown as their best target in a KD trade,so is leaking the story now while trying to make it sound recent, in order to push Brad back to the bargaining table.

Brown's "likes" on tweets is trolling because he has a weird sense of humor and his "SMH" tweet is because he knows the Nets leaked the story and not Brad because Brad told him week's ago about his discussions with the Nets and Brad assured him he will be a Celtic for life if that's what he wants

Makes as much sense as any other scenario out there that people are making assumptions about what's happening right now.

So if you are the Celtics management, why not come out and say that JB is untouchable then? like the team has said regarding Tatum in the past. I would love for you to be right on this one, Nick.

As long as Brad and Jaylen are good, not sure why Stevens has to go public saying anything. Marcus Smart's name has been dropped too. Does Stevens have to go public about reassuring Marcus and the fan base he is not being traded? White? Grant?

Or is it just easier to publicly say nothing or next to nothing about trade stuff and to keep open, honest communication with your players so they know what's happening about rumors and such?

Given the trades that Brad has made are all under the wire moves that didn't leak, I think a couple things are true. One, my statement above about not publicly commenting on trade rumors is true. And B, that a front office that is so good about not leaking anything they are working on with trades they have made, suddenly is very sloppy and leaks this info about a Brad led trade discussion. Especially when such a leak is not advantageous for the Celtics.

That's my scenario. It's as good as anyone else's.

Just saying the team has said in the past that Tatum is untouchable, so I wish they would do the same for JB if that is indeed the case.You make some valid points, though. Especially the one about Brad's moves all being under the radar. That makes me a bit more optimistic about this trade not happening. TP to you.

TP4U

[Roy H.]

Yes, Brad called to see what the Nets wanted for KD and when Brad heard JB, the conversation went dark.

That’s not consistent with what’s being reported, though.  We can’t just ignore the report that Brad offered JB + White + #1.

[pokeKingCurtis]

Yes, Brad called to see what the Nets wanted for KD and when Brad heard JB, the conversation went dark.

That’s not consistent with what’s being reported, though.  We can’t just ignore the report that Brad offered JB + White + #1.

If that's the offer on our end...I gotta say I'm on the fence (having previously been ardently JKJB)


Edit: I guess not just previously JKJB but still JKJB at this point...I guess it depends how you define JKJB.

[Celtics2021]

Yes, Brad called to see what the Nets wanted for KD and when Brad heard JB, the conversation went dark.

That’s not consistent with what’s being reported, though.  We can’t just ignore the report that Brad offered JB + White + #1.

My guess is Brad didn’t make the call, for what it’s worth.  A lower staffer probably makes those calls to a corresponding lower staffer, they go back and forth a little bit to tease out their teams’ positions, and then each side takes back the best offer from the team to their bosses.  If they’re close, then Stevens and Marks get on the phone, and maybe ownership because it’s star players and a lot of money.  If they’re not close, that’s it.

[keevsnick]

https://heavy.com/sports/boston-celtics/kevin-durant-brooklyn-nets-trade/

Interesting note from Steve Bulpett and the heavy with some push back on whether Brown was actually offered in a deal.

Was There Really a Celtics Offer for Durant?
In the Celtics’ case, The Athletic has reported that Jaylen Brown, who turns 26 in October, Derrick White and a first round pick were offered. One source disputed that to Heavy, but the question of offers and counter-offers often comes down to a matter of semantics.

“You may ask a team what they think of a certain one of your players, and the next thing you know they’re telling someone you offered him,” said a general manager. “You didn’t, but that’s how this thing works sometimes. It sucks — for you and for the player involved — but it’s the way it is.”

[Bobshot]

I heard Stevens this morning, and he said nothing, as expected.
I do think he is willing to trade Brown and other minor pieces for KD.
I don't think he would add Smart to the deal, but the Nets know that, too.
Brown right now is the Nets best chance to get value for KD.  They should jump on it.

Having said that, my experience is trades that get into the media before they happen usually don't happen.
You don't want the whole world knowing in advance the terms of a deal--for obvious reasons.

[pokeKingCurtis]

https://heavy.com/sports/boston-celtics/kevin-durant-brooklyn-nets-trade/

Interesting note from Steve Bulpett and the heavy with some push back on whether Brown was actually offered in a deal.

Was There Really a Celtics Offer for Durant?
In the Celtics’ case, The Athletic has reported that Jaylen Brown, who turns 26 in October, Derrick White and a first round pick were offered. One source disputed that to Heavy, but the question of offers and counter-offers often comes down to a matter of semantics.

“You may ask a team what they think of a certain one of your players, and the next thing you know they’re telling someone you offered him,” said a general manager. “You didn’t, but that’s how this thing works sometimes. It sucks — for you and for the player involved — but it’s the way it is.”

Having already gone too deep down the rabbit hole in relation to semantics in the Lebron thread, at risk of going further down...

I mean there's some level of why are they asking other GMs what they think the value of one of their players is if not to try and trade them...haha. But I guess say for example Brad could ask the Nets what they think JB's value is, but intend on trading JB to the Suns or whatever. That's one possibility.

[Roy H.]

https://heavy.com/sports/boston-celtics/kevin-durant-brooklyn-nets-trade/

Interesting note from Steve Bulpett and the heavy with some push back on whether Brown was actually offered in a deal.

Was There Really a Celtics Offer for Durant?
In the Celtics’ case, The Athletic has reported that Jaylen Brown, who turns 26 in October, Derrick White and a first round pick were offered. One source disputed that to Heavy, but the question of offers and counter-offers often comes down to a matter of semantics.

“You may ask a team what they think of a certain one of your players, and the next thing you know they’re telling someone you offered him,” said a general manager. “You didn’t, but that’s how this thing works sometimes. It sucks — for you and for the player involved — but it’s the way it is.”

I’m going to trust Shams on this one.  He’s way more reliable than Heavy.com.  That explanation doesn’t even make sense.

[Celtics2021]

https://heavy.com/sports/boston-celtics/kevin-durant-brooklyn-nets-trade/

Interesting note from Steve Bulpett and the heavy with some push back on whether Brown was actually offered in a deal.

Was There Really a Celtics Offer for Durant?
In the Celtics’ case, The Athletic has reported that Jaylen Brown, who turns 26 in October, Derrick White and a first round pick were offered. One source disputed that to Heavy, but the question of offers and counter-offers often comes down to a matter of semantics.

“You may ask a team what they think of a certain one of your players, and the next thing you know they’re telling someone you offered him,” said a general manager. “You didn’t, but that’s how this thing works sometimes. It sucks — for you and for the player involved — but it’s the way it is.”

Having already gone too deep down the rabbit hole in relation to semantics in the Lebron thread, at risk of going further down...

I mean there's some level of why are they asking other GMs what they think the value of one of their players is if not to try and trade them...haha. But I guess say for example Brad could ask the Nets what they think JB's value is, but intend on trading JB to the Suns or whatever. That's one possibility.

I spent way too much time trying to find an article earlier today about this point, but essentially it was that this happens for virtually every player every year.  You do it to find value on your players and other players.  The Celtics say Horford, White, and 3 1sts. The Nets say no.  The Celtics then say Brown, White, and a 1st.  If the Nets say something more positive, now you’ve ascertained the Nets value on Brown.  If the Nets counter with Smart, Brown, Grant, and three firsts, you’ve ascertained that they’re crazy.

I wish I could find the article, but the quote I remember was something like 90% of players have been “offered” in a trade by Thanksgiving.  Further, these “offers” happen between assistants who are just canvassing the league for info, and aren’t actionable since the GMs only get involved for the real stuff.  It’s standard practice, and Woj makes a lot of money off it, because in pushing a team’s agenda with the fake offers, he’ll also get the scoop when the real deal happens.

[JSD]

I’ve digested all of this today. I’ve decided that making this trade would be absolutely insane. When the big three got together in 2008, we all gave them a 3 to 5 year window, at that time the oldest of the big three, Ray Allen, was 32 years old. We’re talking about a Kevin Durant that is already 34 years old, the cliff is near.

Even if Jaylen Brown admitted to the front office that he doesn’t want to be in the Boston long-term, Kevin Durant is not the answer. A much better package for Jaylen Brown would be solid veteran expiring contracts and a boatload of picks with lottery potential. The Celtics would have a shot at pretty much any major free agent looking to play with Tatum. We get our superstar replacement from the cap space, and use Jaylen Brown to build a pipeline of young assets.

In the meantime run it back with Jaylen, see how this year goes, and then go from there. He has gotten better every year, if he makes an all NBA team, and is eligible for the Supermax, then this conversation is moot, he staying.

[Kuberski33]

https://heavy.com/sports/boston-celtics/kevin-durant-brooklyn-nets-trade/

Interesting note from Steve Bulpett and the heavy with some push back on whether Brown was actually offered in a deal.

Was There Really a Celtics Offer for Durant?
In the Celtics’ case, The Athletic has reported that Jaylen Brown, who turns 26 in October, Derrick White and a first round pick were offered. One source disputed that to Heavy, but the question of offers and counter-offers often comes down to a matter of semantics.

“You may ask a team what they think of a certain one of your players, and the next thing you know they’re telling someone you offered him,” said a general manager. “You didn’t, but that’s how this thing works sometimes. It sucks — for you and for the player involved — but it’s the way it is.”

I’m going to trust Shams on this one.  He’s way more reliable than Heavy.com.  That explanation doesn’t even make sense.

Bulpett has been around the NBA for decades and has reliable sources. It wouldn't shock me if his source is actually Brad.

[pokeKingCurtis]

https://heavy.com/sports/boston-celtics/kevin-durant-brooklyn-nets-trade/

Interesting note from Steve Bulpett and the heavy with some push back on whether Brown was actually offered in a deal.

Was There Really a Celtics Offer for Durant?
In the Celtics’ case, The Athletic has reported that Jaylen Brown, who turns 26 in October, Derrick White and a first round pick were offered. One source disputed that to Heavy, but the question of offers and counter-offers often comes down to a matter of semantics.

“You may ask a team what they think of a certain one of your players, and the next thing you know they’re telling someone you offered him,” said a general manager. “You didn’t, but that’s how this thing works sometimes. It sucks — for you and for the player involved — but it’s the way it is.”

Having already gone too deep down the rabbit hole in relation to semantics in the Lebron thread, at risk of going further down...

I mean there's some level of why are they asking other GMs what they think the value of one of their players is if not to try and trade them...haha. But I guess say for example Brad could ask the Nets what they think JB's value is, but intend on trading JB to the Suns or whatever. That's one possibility.

I spent way too much time trying to find an article earlier today about this point, but essentially it was that this happens for virtually every player every year.  You do it to find value on your players and other players.  The Celtics say Horford, White, and 3 1sts. The Nets say no.  The Celtics then say Brown, White, and a 1st.  If the Nets say something more positive, now you’ve ascertained the Nets value on Brown.  If the Nets counter with Smart, Brown, Grant, and three firsts, you’ve ascertained that they’re crazy.

I wish I could find the article, but the quote I remember was something like 90% of players have been “offered” in a trade by Thanksgiving.  Further, these “offers” happen between assistants who are just canvassing the league for info, and aren’t actionable since the GMs only get involved for the real stuff.  It’s standard practice, and Woj makes a lot of money off it, because in pushing a team’s agenda with the fake offers, he’ll also get the scoop when the real deal happens.

Interesting - TP