Lebron calls Celtics fans racist

[Roy H.]

then you have a problem with reading and comprehension

Knock it off. 

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

The anti Lebron crowd needs to step up their game. You guys are getting smushed on here!

[Roy H.]

The anti Lebron crowd needs to step up their game. You guys are getting smushed on here!

Say the Vice President of the Lebron fan club.   

Smushed how?  By recognizing that Lebron, Harden, the Rockets owner, Tsai, Silver, etc., cared more about losing $400 million than they did about protesters in Hong Kong?  And that there was no safety risk, because the games went on, players didn't leave, etc.?

It cracks me up that so many people take obvious PR at face value when it supports their cause / totally most favorite player ever.

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

I appreciate him and Jordan, not so much Kobe.

Celebrate> Hate

[SDceltGuy]

I appreciate him and Jordan, not so much Kobe.

Celebrate> Hate

LBJ - low class individual who cant express himself without f-word every sentence. 

[Roy H.]

I appreciate him and Jordan, not so much Kobe.

Celebrate> Hate

Appreciating the guy is different than twisting the narrative to defend or criticize the guy, though.  Not all valid critiques are "hate", and not all celebrations are ball-washing. 

[Kernewek]

I think some here think that if they can discredit Lebron, then it means that horrible things aren’t said at the Garden.

Trimming this because I think it's actually a bit different: I think the 'goal' is to prove that the Celtics aren't exceptional when it comes to racist fan behaviour because most people don't like to be associated with exceptionally racist fans. We can go back through the thread and look at a wide swathe of examples that address this in a variety of ways.

To be sure, the reasoning behind the impulse is a good one, but we would hope attacking LeBron's statement would come after considering why it's a commonly held belief. I guess there are some folks who 'know what they know' and any attempt to tell them otherwise is the Devil pulling them away from God, but (fingers crossed) they're in the minority here.

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

The anti Lebron crowd needs to step up their game. You guys are getting smushed on here!

Say the Vice President of the Lebron fan club.   

Smushed how?  By recognizing that Lebron, Harden, the Rockets owner, Tsai, Silver, etc., cared more about losing $400 million than they did about protesters in Hong Kong?  And that there was no safety risk, because the games went on, players didn't leave, etc.?

It cracks me up that so many people take obvious PR at face value when it supports their cause / totally most favorite player ever.

You’re saying the NBA players were not at risk? I disagree.

You’re saying Morey’s tweet was not improperly timed? I disagree.

Are you also saying that Lebron is making up racial comments made at the Garden?

[Goldstar88]

This country has become obsessed with race.
You are your race first and then whoever you are as a person second.
This obsession has just made things worse.

Yes, there is a certain percentage of people who are racist - who judge someone's character based on their race and that alone, when I believe we should be judged on our behavior and the values we hold as important.  There are plenty of people within each racial group who exhibit bad behavior and whose values are atrocious. There are plenty of people on all sides who are racist as well. The double standards that go unchallenged are also part of the problem. People who do speak up face all types of negative consequences.

Speak up for what, exactly? The shut up and dribble take?

No, the "you're fired" take for uttering the words, All Lives Matter.


And Gouk, no, I would not say since the beginning. We have never been so focused on race as the country is now - not even close.
This obsession has created more divisiveness, again from all sides.

I’m pretty sure All Lives Matter takes the cake for least thoughtful response in this thread. I believe that this post is a guaranteed Bingo win, though I’m curious to see how much further people will display white fragility. All Lives Matter may be the greatest example of gaslighting that we have.

I'm not in the States (I'm an Asian who's lived in Asia most my life, where these issues aren't as hotbutton), so hopefully what I'm saying doesn't amount to whataboutism or isn't nuanced or whatnot and I apologize in advance if it is.

But aren't you peeved that Lebron amounts "f--- you Lebron" to racism? Doesn't it cheapen the experiences of people who actually faced racism?

It's kind of like Kyrie trying to rile up people in the middle of the 2021 playoff series.

I guess black people should get the benefit of the doubt to some extent, as we'll never fully understand what they're facing or be able to walk in their shoes. But I feel like to some extent Lebron and Kyrie kind of took advantage of the situation.

“Boston is racist as hell, they had F-LBJ shirts and someone threw a a beer at me after one of the games.”

 

and of course that isn't what he said at all, which I assume was your point.

James made waves when he took aim at Boston fans — whom he called “racist as f–k” — in the latest episode of Uninterrupted’s “The Shop” on Friday. The four-time NBA Champion became part-owner of the Red Sox last year.

“There was like a ‘f–k LBJ’ T-shirt,” James said. “I believe they probably sold it at the f–kin’ team shop. … They sold it at the team shop. I’m like, ‘the Celtics had something to do with that s–t.’”

“Because they racist as f–k, that’s why,” the Lakers star said, smiling. “They will say anything. And it’s fine. I mean, f–k, it’s my life. I’ve been dealing with my whole life. I don’t mind it. Like, I hear it. Like, if I hear somebody close by, I’ll check them real quick. I’ll move on to the game. They’re going to say whatever the f–k they want to say. They might throw something on you. I mean, I got a beer thrown on me leaving the game. Like, it’s Boston.”




The only specific examples he gave were the T-shirts that said F-LBJ and the Beer thrown on him. Im not saying that there aren’t racist fans in Boston, but I do believe it’s the vast minority.

That isn't what you said was a direct quote though.  The context is a lot different.  He didn't say Boston fans were racist because they had the f*** Lebron shirts or threw a beer on him, he said they were racist because "They will say anything. And it’s fine. I mean, f–k, it’s my life. I’ve been dealing with my whole life. I don’t mind it. Like, I hear it. Like, if I hear somebody close by, I’ll check them real quick. I’ll move on to the game. They’re going to say whatever the f–k they want to say."

He then moved on to talk about getting beer thrown on him but he never actually attributed that to race.  He didn't actually provide examples, like Marcus Smart has, but he clearly was implying actual racially motivated statements being made.  It isn't like he is in court where he needs to back it up and the other people in the Shop didn't question it and moved the conversation on because they all know that racial comments are made at Boston sporting events all of the time.  It doesn't take a deep dive to dig into something that is a known fact.

Paraphrasing? So why give specific examples regarding the shirts and the beer tossing, but not any regarding his experiences with racism in Boston? It doesn’t make sense. There have been a few athletes that have mentioned incidents that they’ve had in Boston. Torri Hunter for example, mentioned specific issues while at Fenway. I also find it ironic that Lebron views Boston as, “Racist as F”, yet he still decided to invest in the Boston Redsox last year and is now part of the ownership group. I guess Whatever is convenient, right? 

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

This country has become obsessed with race.
You are your race first and then whoever you are as a person second.
This obsession has just made things worse.

Yes, there is a certain percentage of people who are racist - who judge someone's character based on their race and that alone, when I believe we should be judged on our behavior and the values we hold as important.  There are plenty of people within each racial group who exhibit bad behavior and whose values are atrocious. There are plenty of people on all sides who are racist as well. The double standards that go unchallenged are also part of the problem. People who do speak up face all types of negative consequences.

Speak up for what, exactly? The shut up and dribble take?

No, the "you're fired" take for uttering the words, All Lives Matter.


And Gouk, no, I would not say since the beginning. We have never been so focused on race as the country is now - not even close.
This obsession has created more divisiveness, again from all sides.

I’m pretty sure All Lives Matter takes the cake for least thoughtful response in this thread. I believe that this post is a guaranteed Bingo win, though I’m curious to see how much further people will display white fragility. All Lives Matter may be the greatest example of gaslighting that we have.

I'm not in the States (I'm an Asian who's lived in Asia most my life, where these issues aren't as hotbutton), so hopefully what I'm saying doesn't amount to whataboutism or isn't nuanced or whatnot and I apologize in advance if it is.

But aren't you peeved that Lebron amounts "f--- you Lebron" to racism? Doesn't it cheapen the experiences of people who actually faced racism?

It's kind of like Kyrie trying to rile up people in the middle of the 2021 playoff series.

I guess black people should get the benefit of the doubt to some extent, as we'll never fully understand what they're facing or be able to walk in their shoes. But I feel like to some extent Lebron and Kyrie kind of took advantage of the situation.

“Boston is racist as hell, they had F-LBJ shirts and someone threw a a beer at me after one of the games.”

 

and of course that isn't what he said at all, which I assume was your point.

James made waves when he took aim at Boston fans — whom he called “racist as f–k” — in the latest episode of Uninterrupted’s “The Shop” on Friday. The four-time NBA Champion became part-owner of the Red Sox last year.

“There was like a ‘f–k LBJ’ T-shirt,” James said. “I believe they probably sold it at the f–kin’ team shop. … They sold it at the team shop. I’m like, ‘the Celtics had something to do with that s–t.’”

“Because they racist as f–k, that’s why,” the Lakers star said, smiling. “They will say anything. And it’s fine. I mean, f–k, it’s my life. I’ve been dealing with my whole life. I don’t mind it. Like, I hear it. Like, if I hear somebody close by, I’ll check them real quick. I’ll move on to the game. They’re going to say whatever the f–k they want to say. They might throw something on you. I mean, I got a beer thrown on me leaving the game. Like, it’s Boston.”




The only specific examples he gave were the T-shirts that said F-LBJ and the Beer thrown on him. Im not saying that there aren’t racist fans in Boston, but I do believe it’s the vast minority.

That isn't what you said was a direct quote though.  The context is a lot different.  He didn't say Boston fans were racist because they had the f*** Lebron shirts or threw a beer on him, he said they were racist because "They will say anything. And it’s fine. I mean, f–k, it’s my life. I’ve been dealing with my whole life. I don’t mind it. Like, I hear it. Like, if I hear somebody close by, I’ll check them real quick. I’ll move on to the game. They’re going to say whatever the f–k they want to say."

He then moved on to talk about getting beer thrown on him but he never actually attributed that to race.  He didn't actually provide examples, like Marcus Smart has, but he clearly was implying actual racially motivated statements being made.  It isn't like he is in court where he needs to back it up and the other people in the Shop didn't question it and moved the conversation on because they all know that racial comments are made at Boston sporting events all of the time.  It doesn't take a deep dive to dig into something that is a known fact.

Paraphrasing? So why give specific examples regarding the shirts and the beer tossing, but not any regarding his experiences with racism in Boston? It doesn’t make sense. There have been a few athletes that have mentioned incidents that they’ve had in Boston. Torri Hunter for example, mentioned specific issues while at Fenway. I also find it ironic that Lebron views Boston as, “Racist as F”, yet he still decided to invest in the Boston Redsox last year and is now part of the ownership group. I guess Whatever is convenient, right? 

Torch that gas! Burn baby burn

[Donoghus]

This country has become obsessed with race.
You are your race first and then whoever you are as a person second.
This obsession has just made things worse.

Yes, there is a certain percentage of people who are racist - who judge someone's character based on their race and that alone, when I believe we should be judged on our behavior and the values we hold as important.  There are plenty of people within each racial group who exhibit bad behavior and whose values are atrocious. There are plenty of people on all sides who are racist as well. The double standards that go unchallenged are also part of the problem. People who do speak up face all types of negative consequences.

Speak up for what, exactly? The shut up and dribble take?

No, the "you're fired" take for uttering the words, All Lives Matter.


And Gouk, no, I would not say since the beginning. We have never been so focused on race as the country is now - not even close.
This obsession has created more divisiveness, again from all sides.

I’m pretty sure All Lives Matter takes the cake for least thoughtful response in this thread. I believe that this post is a guaranteed Bingo win, though I’m curious to see how much further people will display white fragility. All Lives Matter may be the greatest example of gaslighting that we have.

I'm not in the States (I'm an Asian who's lived in Asia most my life, where these issues aren't as hotbutton), so hopefully what I'm saying doesn't amount to whataboutism or isn't nuanced or whatnot and I apologize in advance if it is.

But aren't you peeved that Lebron amounts "f--- you Lebron" to racism? Doesn't it cheapen the experiences of people who actually faced racism?

It's kind of like Kyrie trying to rile up people in the middle of the 2021 playoff series.

I guess black people should get the benefit of the doubt to some extent, as we'll never fully understand what they're facing or be able to walk in their shoes. But I feel like to some extent Lebron and Kyrie kind of took advantage of the situation.

“Boston is racist as hell, they had F-LBJ shirts and someone threw a a beer at me after one of the games.”

 

and of course that isn't what he said at all, which I assume was your point.

James made waves when he took aim at Boston fans — whom he called “racist as f–k” — in the latest episode of Uninterrupted’s “The Shop” on Friday. The four-time NBA Champion became part-owner of the Red Sox last year.

“There was like a ‘f–k LBJ’ T-shirt,” James said. “I believe they probably sold it at the f–kin’ team shop. … They sold it at the team shop. I’m like, ‘the Celtics had something to do with that s–t.’”

“Because they racist as f–k, that’s why,” the Lakers star said, smiling. “They will say anything. And it’s fine. I mean, f–k, it’s my life. I’ve been dealing with my whole life. I don’t mind it. Like, I hear it. Like, if I hear somebody close by, I’ll check them real quick. I’ll move on to the game. They’re going to say whatever the f–k they want to say. They might throw something on you. I mean, I got a beer thrown on me leaving the game. Like, it’s Boston.”




The only specific examples he gave were the T-shirts that said F-LBJ and the Beer thrown on him. Im not saying that there aren’t racist fans in Boston, but I do believe it’s the vast minority.

That isn't what you said was a direct quote though.  The context is a lot different.  He didn't say Boston fans were racist because they had the f*** Lebron shirts or threw a beer on him, he said they were racist because "They will say anything. And it’s fine. I mean, f–k, it’s my life. I’ve been dealing with my whole life. I don’t mind it. Like, I hear it. Like, if I hear somebody close by, I’ll check them real quick. I’ll move on to the game. They’re going to say whatever the f–k they want to say."

He then moved on to talk about getting beer thrown on him but he never actually attributed that to race.  He didn't actually provide examples, like Marcus Smart has, but he clearly was implying actual racially motivated statements being made.  It isn't like he is in court where he needs to back it up and the other people in the Shop didn't question it and moved the conversation on because they all know that racial comments are made at Boston sporting events all of the time.  It doesn't take a deep dive to dig into something that is a known fact.

Paraphrasing? So why give specific examples regarding the shirts and the beer tossing, but not any regarding his experiences with racism in Boston? It doesn’t make sense. There have been a few athletes that have mentioned incidents that they’ve had in Boston. Torri Hunter for example, mentioned specific issues while at Fenway. I also find it ironic that Lebron views Boston as, “Racist as F”, yet he still decided to invest in the Boston Redsox last year and is now part of the ownership group. I guess Whatever is convenient, right? 

Torch that gas! Burn baby burn

Cut the crap.

[Kernewek]

Not that I believe the Red Sox example is being offered in anything even remotely resembling good faith, but let's play with it for a second.


If LeBron thinks Boston fans are racist af, what's a better way to stick it to those racists than to take their money and get rich off of it?


I mean, you go back three generations (or 100 years, take your pick) and black folks couldn't even play in the MLB - let alone own any part of the team.

[Roy H.]

Are you also saying that Lebron is making up racial comments made at the Garden?

No, because he hasn't mentioned any racial comments made at the Garden.

[JSD]

This country has become obsessed with race.
You are your race first and then whoever you are as a person second.
This obsession has just made things worse.

Yes, there is a certain percentage of people who are racist - who judge someone's character based on their race and that alone, when I believe we should be judged on our behavior and the values we hold as important.  There are plenty of people within each racial group who exhibit bad behavior and whose values are atrocious. There are plenty of people on all sides who are racist as well. The double standards that go unchallenged are also part of the problem. People who do speak up face all types of negative consequences.

Speak up for what, exactly? The shut up and dribble take?

No, the "you're fired" take for uttering the words, All Lives Matter.


And Gouk, no, I would not say since the beginning. We have never been so focused on race as the country is now - not even close.
This obsession has created more divisiveness, again from all sides.

I’m pretty sure All Lives Matter takes the cake for least thoughtful response in this thread. I believe that this post is a guaranteed Bingo win, though I’m curious to see how much further people will display white fragility. All Lives Matter may be the greatest example of gaslighting that we have.

I'm not in the States (I'm an Asian who's lived in Asia most my life, where these issues aren't as hotbutton), so hopefully what I'm saying doesn't amount to whataboutism or isn't nuanced or whatnot and I apologize in advance if it is.

But aren't you peeved that Lebron amounts "f--- you Lebron" to racism? Doesn't it cheapen the experiences of people who actually faced racism?

It's kind of like Kyrie trying to rile up people in the middle of the 2021 playoff series.

I guess black people should get the benefit of the doubt to some extent, as we'll never fully understand what they're facing or be able to walk in their shoes. But I feel like to some extent Lebron and Kyrie kind of took advantage of the situation.

What advantage did they gain?

At risk of Stephen A Smith levels of speculating, which I guess is all we can really do, but I really hate how much of a farce they made out of this, and how I just can't* stand that they are the face of actual issues:

Maybe they want the spotlight, and were acting in bad faith. I feel like that's partly the case for Kyrie. I think there were some reports that his comments were kind of inconsistent (https://celticswire.usatoday.com/lists/nba-boston-celtics-kyrie-agai/). Kyrie also said what he said in the middle of the Celtics-Nets series in 2021, and later stomped on Lucky, after obviously falling out with the Celtics in 2018 for whatever reason.

I also feel LeBron to some extent wants to feed his own ego. The way he announced going to South Beach, the way he responds to some of the actual issues, then this.

Maybe they genuinely feel they were wronged, but in both cases their versions of the story to some extent don't match up with reality (Lebron especially).

I'm not sure it's possible for LeBron to be given any more spotlight regardless of what he says. Countless other professional athletes across different codes have said similar things about Boston, even Marcus Smart has experienced it!

Just not sure what there is to gain.

Kyrie is a different case altogether. He is a completely irrational person, so it's not quite the same.

More bad publicity to a rival city and franchise is what James gains from this, and he also falsely props himself up as a modern day Muhammad Ali who really “tells it like it is”.

The real question is, what does he have to lose? Absolutely nothing, anytime LeBron James is in position to actually lose something by speaking out, he is totally MIA. He’s an absolute, unremitting clown.

I have far more respect for Kyrie Irving who actually stood for something and lost out because of that stance.

Ah, that makes total sense - positing himself as the modern day Muhammad Ali by calling out a specific fanbase for specific actions towards himself and himself alone. Right.

I know that you respect Kyrie. It falls right in line with some of the other attitudes you've displayed here about not caring for the health of others.

that’s obviously not the only time he sounded off on social justice issues. He’s adding another highlight to his woke reel, and gains far more than he loses in the process.

I could say the same for you and your opposition to freedom, but the point was, regardless of topic, he took a stand on something and suffered. That takes courage.

You’re equating social justice issues to anti-vax? Does this make sense? I never thought it was ok for people to go out into society unvaxxed and potentially harm complete strangers. This, to me, is the opposite of courage. It is fear and selfishness masked as “freedom”. I’d love to hear how Kyrie is being anything but selfish with regard to Covid. Is he standing up for those that doubt science and think they are equipped to make scientific decisions without, you know, science degrees, experience, or knowledge? Lets not get this twisted- the scientific community is not anti vax. You have to look to Alex Jones et al for this medical advice.

authoritarian views with a dose of appeal to the authority fallacy, nicely done.

Our individual Covid position was not the point. Irving stood for something he believed in and suffered as a result, that’s a fact, regardless of how you feel about his position.

Try to stay on topic, or meet me in the Covid thread

[Roy H.]

Not that I believe the Red Sox example is being offered in anything even remotely resembling good faith, but let's play with it for a second.


If LeBron thinks Boston fans are racist af, what's a better way to stick it to those racists than to take their money and get rich off of it?


I mean, you go back three generations (or 100 years, take your pick) and black folks couldn't even play in the MLB - let alone own any part of the team.

It seems like entertaining racists would be something he'd look down on, regardless of how much money he made off of them?

Where do you draw the line on that logic?  In an extreme example, if a Jew is making a lot of money from the Nazis, is that really sticking it to Hitler?