Is Grant a goner? (Yes: Traded to DAL for second rounders)

[nickagneta]

If Grant didn't take a low, team friendly deal because he knows the salary cap is going to explode and because he thinks he's way better than such an offer, betting on himself to have a great season was probably the right move.

If he has a season where he scores more than 10-12 points a game, is one of the premier shooters in the league and a great, versatile defender, he most likely made a very intelligent bet.

[Goldstar88]

For someone playing for a new contract… The heck is he doing? 

[slamtheking]

For someone playing for a new contract… The heck is he doing? 

making himself more affordable to retain in the offseason and/or making himself less of an asset for a trade

[#1P4P]

Grant’s a good player, he’s not a finished product at 24, but his lack of offensive production will limit how much he will command on the market.

He looks unsure of what to do with the ball unless it’s a quick swing pass. Despite shooting over 41% from 3 again, he’s been reluctant to shoot when open; and hesitant to attack closeouts (even though he has good touch around the basket).

His durability, strength, defense, chemistry with this team, and splits are still excellent and will set a floor that isn’t far from the 4y/$40-48M offered, but he hasn’t improved his contract standing at this point.

[Moranis]

Grant’s a good player, he’s not a finished product at 24, but his lack of offensive production will limit how much he will command on the market.

He looks unsure of what to do with the ball unless it’s a quick swing pass. Despite shooting over 41% from 3 again, he’s been reluctant to shoot when open; and hesitant to attack closeouts (even though he has good touch around the basket).

His durability, strength, defense, chemistry with this team, and splits are still excellent and will set a floor that isn’t far from the 4y/$40-48M offered, but he hasn’t improved his contract standing at this point.

He isn't a finished product but it is rare for players to all of a sudden take a huge leap from year to 4 to 5.  Some players do, but they also take huge leaps from year 3 to 4 and year 2 to 3, etc.  Grant has consistently gotten better, but he has never taken a big leap.  Historically this will be the last summer you will see any sort of leap from him as players tend to stop those in their 5th year.  They still improve, but those are much more technical improvements like extending the range on a shot, learning a new post move, etc.  The physical and big leaps are generally done around year 5.  I say all of this because it means Grant is probably pretty close to the type of player he is going to be for his career. 

[Sophomore]

Grant’s a good player, he’s not a finished product at 24, but his lack of offensive production will limit how much he will command on the market.

He looks unsure of what to do with the ball unless it’s a quick swing pass. Despite shooting over 41% from 3 again, he’s been reluctant to shoot when open; and hesitant to attack closeouts (even though he has good touch around the basket).

His durability, strength, defense, chemistry with this team, and splits are still excellent and will set a floor that isn’t far from the 4y/$40-48M offered, but he hasn’t improved his contract standing at this point.

He isn't a finished product but it is rare for players to all of a sudden take a huge leap from year to 4 to 5.  Some players do, but they also take huge leaps from year 3 to 4 and year 2 to 3, etc.  Grant has consistently gotten better, but he has never taken a big leap.  Historically this will be the last summer you will see any sort of leap from him as players tend to stop those in their 5th year.  They still improve, but those are much more technical improvements like extending the range on a shot, learning a new post move, etc.  The physical and big leaps are generally done around year 5.  I say all of this because it means Grant is probably pretty close to the type of player he is going to be for his career.

In a strange way, he can take a huge leap just by becoming more consistent at what he already does: shooting and attacking closeouts. The shooting is almost there; the ability to go to the rack comes and goes. I worry about his ability to perform through the playoffs and into the finals. If he doesn’t shrink on the big stage - gives them a reliable guy to pass to out of a drive and kick - that would be huge. Might have been enough to win them the finals last year.

[Goldstar88]

Grant’s a good player, he’s not a finished product at 24, but his lack of offensive production will limit how much he will command on the market.

He looks unsure of what to do with the ball unless it’s a quick swing pass. Despite shooting over 41% from 3 again, he’s been reluctant to shoot when open; and hesitant to attack closeouts (even though he has good touch around the basket).

His durability, strength, defense, chemistry with this team, and splits are still excellent and will set a floor that isn’t far from the 4y/$40-48M offered, but he hasn’t improved his contract standing at this point.

I feel like he’s peaked, TBH. Grant is in his fourth year now and if you look at his numbers per 36 minutes played, they are pretty much the same as last season. I think his defense has been worse this year, though. The only thing he’s above average at is shooting the 3pt. I don’t think Grant is worth investing more than $10M annually.

2021-22’ per 36: 11.6pts, 5.3rebs, 1.5ast, 1.1blks

2022-23’ per 36: 11.3pts, 6.1rebs, 2.1ast, 0.5blks

As a comparison, Rob’s per 36: 13.1pts, 12.8rebs, 2.6ast, 2blk.

I get that Rob is injury prone, but I still can’t see paying Grant the same amount of money per year considering how limited his production is.

[Big333223]

I started a thread earlier in the season complaining about Grant's lack of aggression. It hasn't gotten better. For someone who shoots as well as he does and shows flashes of having the ability to do things with the ball he just doesn't make a big impact when he's out there.

He and Hauser's 3P shooting this year has been very similar and I'd say that Grant is a better overall offensive player than Sam but it feels like when Hauser is out there, he has to be accounted for. He's an active player where Grant feels like a reactive player.

Even his famous playoff game against the Bucks last year where Grant made seven 3's, the attempted 18. He made 39% of his 3's and took as many as he did because he was WIDE open almost all night. He actually shot under his regular season average despite being left wide open. I remember watching the game and wondering why he was missing so much. But then he gets talked about the next day like he's the hero and everyone forgets that, in context, he didn't have a very good shooting night (given how wide open he was).

Anyway, I hope he has a big impact on a playoff run toward a championship this year and he can be packaged with someone else in the summer in a trade for the PF of the future.

[86MaxwellSmart]

We need him to Big Body up on Giannis and Embiid....wears them out

[Phantom255x]

I still think playoffs are going to determine what kind of contract he gets and where he goes. If he has a great postseason and it's evident the impact he can have, he could very well get around 16-18M AAV. If not, he might just have to settle around the 12-14M AAV range.

I'd be stunned if he actually got 20M+ AAV though. I think he'd have to really "wow" people in the postseason to get that.

[Celtics4ever]

He is not tall, and CLE has huge size.   I 've never seen the  6-6 tank Type strong guy rebound worse than Grant.  He has plays small for his size but had some nice post moves in the beginning of the year.    He is in a big shooting slump, if a guy does not make meaningful contributions on the court, they're going to play less.    I think he will right the ship and get his shot back.

Definitely does better vs bench guys than starters for the most part.    No way he should get any money 20 mil a year.    He is not worth it.

[Billz401]

Hate to say it but i hope not. Theres much better value out there than what hes probably going to get in the offseason. Hes too short to be a pf but too slow and unathletic to be a sf. Hes way too streaky of a shooter with his bad streaks far outweighing his good ones. He also for some reason hasnt developed any other moves on offense besides hide in the corners. You'd think he could be a good baseline cutter the way teams forget about him but rarely ever does it. Or maybe add like a mid range to his game.

One of the things that irks me the most is a player who is a complete nonfactor who's always doing the most talking. Every time the camera is on Grant hes complaining to the refs or having conversations with the the oppenents. Its like just shut up and ball. Smart was doing it tonight. Played especially bad in the 3rd qtr and then makes a boneheaded play and for some reason starts jawwing at the ref and got a tech on the bench while we were already crapping away a 28pt lead

For his and the Celts benefit I really hope he can turn it on and maybe have a great stretch to end the season and into the playoffs. Also selfishly for my benefit because then maybe some dumb team will overpay him and make the decision easier for Brad.

[Celtics4ever]

I would resign him, just not for 15-20 million, his production does not warrant it.

[Moranis]

Grant’s a good player, he’s not a finished product at 24, but his lack of offensive production will limit how much he will command on the market.

He looks unsure of what to do with the ball unless it’s a quick swing pass. Despite shooting over 41% from 3 again, he’s been reluctant to shoot when open; and hesitant to attack closeouts (even though he has good touch around the basket).

His durability, strength, defense, chemistry with this team, and splits are still excellent and will set a floor that isn’t far from the 4y/$40-48M offered, but he hasn’t improved his contract standing at this point.

I feel like he’s peaked, TBH. Grant is in his fourth year now and if you look at his numbers per 36 minutes played, they are pretty much the same as last season. I think his defense has been worse this year, though. The only thing he’s above average at is shooting the 3pt. I don’t think Grant is worth investing more than $10M annually.

2021-22’ per 36: 11.6pts, 5.3rebs, 1.5ast, 1.1blks

2022-23’ per 36: 11.3pts, 6.1rebs, 2.1ast, 0.5blks

As a comparison, Rob’s per 36: 13.1pts, 12.8rebs, 2.6ast, 2blk.

I get that Rob is injury prone, but I still can’t see paying Grant the same amount of money per year considering how limited his production is.

Honestly, Grant is pretty much the same player now that he was as a rookie except he is shooting better from 3.  That is obviously a big thing to improve upon, but he is otherwise the same type and level of player.  There is absolutely a role for Grant, but he is a MLE type player, nothing more, and Boston can't afford to pay him 15+ million a year to be the 8th or 9th man.  On some level, I'd rather just have a specialist in those 8th or 9th spots.  Grant's best attribute would be as a fill in starter, but if the starters are all healthy, specialists are what you need in his roster spot.

[Big333223]

Grant’s a good player, he’s not a finished product at 24, but his lack of offensive production will limit how much he will command on the market.

He looks unsure of what to do with the ball unless it’s a quick swing pass. Despite shooting over 41% from 3 again, he’s been reluctant to shoot when open; and hesitant to attack closeouts (even though he has good touch around the basket).

His durability, strength, defense, chemistry with this team, and splits are still excellent and will set a floor that isn’t far from the 4y/$40-48M offered, but he hasn’t improved his contract standing at this point.

I feel like he’s peaked, TBH. Grant is in his fourth year now and if you look at his numbers per 36 minutes played, they are pretty much the same as last season. I think his defense has been worse this year, though. The only thing he’s above average at is shooting the 3pt. I don’t think Grant is worth investing more than $10M annually.

2021-22’ per 36: 11.6pts, 5.3rebs, 1.5ast, 1.1blks

2022-23’ per 36: 11.3pts, 6.1rebs, 2.1ast, 0.5blks

As a comparison, Rob’s per 36: 13.1pts, 12.8rebs, 2.6ast, 2blk.

I get that Rob is injury prone, but I still can’t see paying Grant the same amount of money per year considering how limited his production is.

Honestly, Grant is pretty much the same player now that he was as a rookie except he is shooting better from 3.  That is obviously a big thing to improve upon, but he is otherwise the same type and level of player. There is absolutely a role for Grant, but he is a MLE type player, nothing more, and Boston can't afford to pay him 15+ million a year to be the 8th or 9th man.  On some level, I'd rather just have a specialist in those 8th or 9th spots.  Grant's best attribute would be as a fill in starter, but if the starters are all healthy, specialists are what you need in his roster spot.

I felt like I was pretty harsh on Grant in my last post but I think this is ridiculous.

He's not just a much improved shooter from his rookie season, he's also a much better defender and ballhandler. I've been disappointed with his improvement from last season to this one but he made a giant leap from '21 to '22 in a variety of ways.