Is Grant a goner? (Yes: Traded to DAL for second rounders)

[Celtics2021]

Adrian Wojnarowski: Memphis Grizzlies forward Brandon Clarke has agreed on a four-year, $52 million contract extension, his agents Mark Bartelstein and Andy Shiffman of @Priority Sports tell ESPN. pic.twitter.com/9MsE6EVip9
– via Twitter wojespn

That probably sets the market for Williams.  I can't imagine he'd take less than what Clarke got, although we don't know how much of that deal is guaranteed.

I’m really confused why Clarke is being viewed as a floor for Grant and not a ceiling. Clarke has been more productive than Grant every year of their respective careers by both traditional and advanced metrics.

Grant’s one of the most versatile defenders in the NBA, moreso than Clarke certainly, and his three-point shooting make him much more suited to a role that most teams need compared to Clarke.  Also, Grant is more than two years younger than Clarke.  Their respective deals will reflect both what they have done and what they’re projected to do, and Grant is far more likely to improve than Clarke, who will be 30 in the last season of this extension.

[gouki88]

Adrian Wojnarowski: Memphis Grizzlies forward Brandon Clarke has agreed on a four-year, $52 million contract extension, his agents Mark Bartelstein and Andy Shiffman of @Priority Sports tell ESPN. pic.twitter.com/9MsE6EVip9
– via Twitter wojespn

That probably sets the market for Williams.  I can't imagine he'd take less than what Clarke got, although we don't know how much of that deal is guaranteed.

I’m really confused why Clarke is being viewed as a floor for Grant and not a ceiling. Clarke has been more productive than Grant every year of their respective careers by both traditional and advanced metrics.

Same. Would much rather have Clarke.

Brandon Clarke per 36 last year: 19pts, 10rebs, 2ast, 2blks, 1stl

Grant Williams per 36 last year: 11pts, 5rebs, 1ast, 1blk.

Per 36 as the be-all and end-all? I thought people stopped doing that like, 10 years ago

[nebist]

A cursory look at Basketball reference shows Clarke outperforming Grant significantly in essentially every advanced statistical measure both last year and over his career.

[Goldstar88]

Adrian Wojnarowski: Memphis Grizzlies forward Brandon Clarke has agreed on a four-year, $52 million contract extension, his agents Mark Bartelstein and Andy Shiffman of @Priority Sports tell ESPN. pic.twitter.com/9MsE6EVip9
– via Twitter wojespn

That probably sets the market for Williams.  I can't imagine he'd take less than what Clarke got, although we don't know how much of that deal is guaranteed.

I’m really confused why Clarke is being viewed as a floor for Grant and not a ceiling. Clarke has been more productive than Grant every year of their respective careers by both traditional and advanced metrics.

Same. Would much rather have Clarke.

Brandon Clarke per 36 last year: 19pts, 10rebs, 2ast, 2blks, 1stl

Grant Williams per 36 last year: 11pts, 5rebs, 1ast, 1blk.

Per 36 as the be-all and end-all? I thought people stopped doing that like, 10 years ago

I didn’t say that, but it is pretty telling in terms of production. If Grant isn’t hitting his 3’s he’s not doing a whole lot else.

[gouki88]

Adrian Wojnarowski: Memphis Grizzlies forward Brandon Clarke has agreed on a four-year, $52 million contract extension, his agents Mark Bartelstein and Andy Shiffman of @Priority Sports tell ESPN. pic.twitter.com/9MsE6EVip9
– via Twitter wojespn

That probably sets the market for Williams.  I can't imagine he'd take less than what Clarke got, although we don't know how much of that deal is guaranteed.

I’m really confused why Clarke is being viewed as a floor for Grant and not a ceiling. Clarke has been more productive than Grant every year of their respective careers by both traditional and advanced metrics.

Same. Would much rather have Clarke.

Brandon Clarke per 36 last year: 19pts, 10rebs, 2ast, 2blks, 1stl

Grant Williams per 36 last year: 11pts, 5rebs, 1ast, 1blk.

Per 36 as the be-all and end-all? I thought people stopped doing that like, 10 years ago

I didn’t say that, but it is pretty telling in terms of production. If Grant isn’t hitting his 3’s he’s not doing a whole lot else.

Except providing much more versatile defence than someone like Clarke.

[Goldstar88]

Adrian Wojnarowski: Memphis Grizzlies forward Brandon Clarke has agreed on a four-year, $52 million contract extension, his agents Mark Bartelstein and Andy Shiffman of @Priority Sports tell ESPN. pic.twitter.com/9MsE6EVip9
– via Twitter wojespn

That probably sets the market for Williams.  I can't imagine he'd take less than what Clarke got, although we don't know how much of that deal is guaranteed.

I’m really confused why Clarke is being viewed as a floor for Grant and not a ceiling. Clarke has been more productive than Grant every year of their respective careers by both traditional and advanced metrics.

Same. Would much rather have Clarke.

Brandon Clarke per 36 last year: 19pts, 10rebs, 2ast, 2blks, 1stl

Grant Williams per 36 last year: 11pts, 5rebs, 1ast, 1blk.

Per 36 as the be-all and end-all? I thought people stopped doing that like, 10 years ago

I didn’t say that, but it is pretty telling in terms of production. If Grant isn’t hitting his 3’s he’s not doing a whole lot else.

Except providing much more versatile defence than someone like Clarke.

A more versatile defender, but a worse scorer, rebounder, passer, etc, by a wide margin. Clarke is overall, a better player.

[Celtics2021]

Adrian Wojnarowski: Memphis Grizzlies forward Brandon Clarke has agreed on a four-year, $52 million contract extension, his agents Mark Bartelstein and Andy Shiffman of @Priority Sports tell ESPN. pic.twitter.com/9MsE6EVip9
– via Twitter wojespn

That probably sets the market for Williams.  I can't imagine he'd take less than what Clarke got, although we don't know how much of that deal is guaranteed.

I’m really confused why Clarke is being viewed as a floor for Grant and not a ceiling. Clarke has been more productive than Grant every year of their respective careers by both traditional and advanced metrics.

Same. Would much rather have Clarke.

Brandon Clarke per 36 last year: 19pts, 10rebs, 2ast, 2blks, 1stl

Grant Williams per 36 last year: 11pts, 5rebs, 1ast, 1blk.

Per 36 as the be-all and end-all? I thought people stopped doing that like, 10 years ago

I didn’t say that, but it is pretty telling in terms of production. If Grant isn’t hitting his 3’s he’s not doing a whole lot else.

Except providing much more versatile defence than someone like Clarke.

A more versatile defender, but a worse scorer, rebounder, passer, etc, by a wide margin. Clarke is overall, a better player.

He’s a better defender and shooter, which are both more valuable for role players, as both are.  And, again, he’s years younger than Clarke, which matters for these extensions.

If Grant signs tomorrow, he’ll get more than Clarke by a few million total, and less than Keldon Johnson, who I think got 4/72.

[nebist]

I’d be fairly shocked if Grant signs for more than 4/52 tomorrow. If that’s his ask, Brad should absolutely play it out through RFA. I couldn’t find it easily online, but I think you’ll find a wasteland in terms of offer sheets to RFA role players that were for more than the MLE and significantly less than the max. I think Grant will find it very difficult to find any cap space teams willing to tie up 13+ mil in cap space at the beginning of FA next summer when the Cs could always match the offer anyways.

[Rikibellevie]

I’d be fairly shocked if Grant signs for more than 4/52 tomorrow. If that’s his ask, Brad should absolutely play it out through RFA. I couldn’t find it easily online, but I think you’ll find a wasteland in terms of offer sheets to RFA role players that were for more than the MLE and significantly less than the max. I think Grant will find it very difficult to find any cap space teams willing to tie up 13+ mil in cap space at the beginning of FA next summer when the Cs could always match the offer anyways.

I agree. There is very low risk Grant s stats improve so significantly that he may find the 15-25 millions salary range. There is bigger risks he hits already his roof. So we have more to loose to sign him now at more than 10-12 M a year on my opinion.

[Goldstar88]

John Karalis: Source tells me it does not appear an extension will get done with Grant Williams today – via Twitter John_Karalis

[liam]

John Karalis: Source tells me it does not appear an extension will get done with Grant Williams today – via Twitter John_Karalis

Quite the news flash. 

[Roy H.]

Still not a goner.

[SHAQATTACK]

Better a gomer than a goner

[Wretch]

Just a guess but I'd bet that the primary issue is more due to contract length and player versus team options. I think the market is pretty set in terms of annual value, but it woud be smart of GW to have a player option the year the cap spikes with the new TV deal.

The common refrain on all of the 4 year deals in the press has been these will be bargain contracts under the new TV contract.

[Goldstar88]

Adrian Wojnarowski: No rookie extension deals for Phoenix’s Cam Johnson, Charlotte’s P.J. Washington or Boston’s Grant Williams — all headed to restricted free agency next summer, sources tell ESPN.  – via Twitter wojespn

Even if the Celtics offered 4 year $40M extension, how do you pass on that kind of guaranteed money? If he has a down year or gets injured, even that amount could be off the table. Seems like a dumb risk to take.