Is Grant a goner? (Yes: Traded to DAL for second rounders)

[Neurotic Guy]

When I say Hauser is inconsistent this is what I mean.

These are his monthly shooting percentages from 3 (with his attempts)

Oct - 55.6 (3)
Nov - 46.2 (4.9)
Dec - 28.3 (3.
Jan - 31.4 (2.7)
Feb - 49.1 (5)
Mar - 42.6 (3.
Apr - 42.9 (8.
1st - 45.5 (1.9)
ECS - 20 (1.3)
ECF - 25 (1.6)

He has spurts where he shoots amazingly, but then he invariably comes back down.  He was quite simply bad against Philly and Miami and since he can't do much of anything else, he is unplayable when he isn't hitting his shots.  Boston basically has taken the approach with Hauser that Miami has used with Robinson.  Robinson was hitting his shots, Hauser was not.

5/7 months over 40%, including the last 3 months of the season. The last 3 weeks of playoffs (ECS & ECF) look like an outlier.  The stats you present are hopeful. .

[Moranis]

When I say Hauser is inconsistent this is what I mean.

These are his monthly shooting percentages from 3 (with his attempts)

Oct - 55.6 (3)
Nov - 46.2 (4.9)
Dec - 28.3 (3.
Jan - 31.4 (2.7)
Feb - 49.1 (5)
Mar - 42.6 (3.
Apr - 42.9 (8.
1st - 45.5 (1.9)
ECS - 20 (1.3)
ECF - 25 (1.6)

He has spurts where he shoots amazingly, but then he invariably comes back down.  He was quite simply bad against Philly and Miami and since he can't do much of anything else, he is unplayable when he isn't hitting his shots.  Boston basically has taken the approach with Hauser that Miami has used with Robinson.  Robinson was hitting his shots, Hauser was not.

Eh.  Hauser played about 40 minutes, total, against Philly and Miami.  He was never given a chance.

or the first 2 games against the Sixers he was given a chance and failed.  He played 13 minutes and he was 0 for 3 with 1 steal, 1 rebound, and 1 foul. Combined.  2 games. 13 minutes of absolute garbage. 

[Vermont Green]

I honestly don't see how Hauser is any worse than Max Struss who just got a huge contract from Cleveland. Or even Duncan Robinson.

Shot 42% from 3 during the season was decent at defense.  Sure he can't create shots. But run him off screens to get 3's or put him out there with ball handlers to sit in the corner.

Mazzulla should've played him more in the playoffs when we were struggling from 3.

It is hard to square exactly what kind of player Hauser is or could be.  I don't think he was quite ready to be a playoff rotation player last season although his advanced stats were always good (+/-, NRTG, things like that).  His sample size is small though.  He is 25 years old but still should improve some.  One thing you can't argue is that he is a great value on a min contract.  He can play meaningful minutes for the Celtics, even if he is on the bubble in terms of playoff minutes.  And this season, he may break through that.

Hauser and Pritchard should both get more opportunity this season.  They will probably fall into the 8th-10th range.  I am totally comfortable with that.  I think both can be fine, more than fine actually, in 15 min per game roles on a contending team.  Hauser is plenty consistent enough for that role.

[Roy H.]

When I say Hauser is inconsistent this is what I mean.

These are his monthly shooting percentages from 3 (with his attempts)

Oct - 55.6 (3)
Nov - 46.2 (4.9)
Dec - 28.3 (3.
Jan - 31.4 (2.7)
Feb - 49.1 (5)
Mar - 42.6 (3.
Apr - 42.9 (8.
1st - 45.5 (1.9)
ECS - 20 (1.3)
ECF - 25 (1.6)

He has spurts where he shoots amazingly, but then he invariably comes back down.  He was quite simply bad against Philly and Miami and since he can't do much of anything else, he is unplayable when he isn't hitting his shots.  Boston basically has taken the approach with Hauser that Miami has used with Robinson.  Robinson was hitting his shots, Hauser was not.

Eh.  Hauser played about 40 minutes, total, against Philly and Miami.  He was never given a chance.

or the first 2 games against the Sixers he was given a chance and failed.  He played 13 minutes and he was 0 for 3 with 1 steal, 1 rebound, and 1 foul. Combined.  2 games. 13 minutes of absolute garbage.

13 minutes combined over two games is him getting a legit chance? 

But, that's what worries me about our roster.  Even if guys can play capably, that doesn't mean that Joe will play them. 

[BitterJim]

I honestly don't see how Hauser is any worse than Max Struss who just got a huge contract from Cleveland. Or even Duncan Robinson.

Shot 42% from 3 during the season was decent at defense.  Sure he can't create shots. But run him off screens to get 3's or put him out there with ball handlers to sit in the corner.

Mazzulla should've played him more in the playoffs when we were struggling from 3.

It is hard to square exactly what kind of player Hauser is or could be.  I don't think he was quite ready to be a playoff rotation player last season although his advanced stats were always good (+/-, NRTG, things like that).  His sample size is small though.  He is 25 years old but still should improve some.  One thing you can't argue is that he is a great value on a min contract.  He can play meaningful minutes for the Celtics, even if he is on the bubble in terms of playoff minutes.  And this season, he may break through that.

Hauser and Pritchard should both get more opportunity this season.  They will probably fall into the 8th-10th range.  I am totally comfortable with that.  I think both can be fine, more than fine actually, in 15 min per game roles on a contending team.  Hauser is plenty consistent enough for that role.

I feel confident that one of them will make a leap and be a competent (or better) member of our rotation. I don't feel confident that both will

[keevsnick]

Being honest here thought Grant just absolutely brutal in the playoffs. His defense especially was just awful. He couldn't stay in front of just about anybody. He had the second worst playoff net rating and worst defensive rating on the team in the playoffs, he didn't rebound at all (Malcolm Brogdon had a higher rebound rate) and his USG was down at Al Horford levels. He hit wide open shots, that's about all he did.

And this is coming from a guy who WANTED TO RE-SIGN HIM anyway, because I think he can play better and 13 million a year when the cap is 130+ and rising by 10% every year is peanuts.

I think part of this was the Celtics being cheap. I think they should have just brought him back. But I also think the organization looks at him and just thinks "he's not that good." Its possible they are right. We'll see.

[Goldstar88]

When I say Hauser is inconsistent this is what I mean.

These are his monthly shooting percentages from 3 (with his attempts)

Oct - 55.6 (3)
Nov - 46.2 (4.9)
Dec - 28.3 (3.
Jan - 31.4 (2.7)
Feb - 49.1 (5)
Mar - 42.6 (3.
Apr - 42.9 (8.
1st - 45.5 (1.9)
ECS - 20 (1.3)
ECF - 25 (1.6)

He has spurts where he shoots amazingly, but then he invariably comes back down.  He was quite simply bad against Philly and Miami and since he can't do much of anything else, he is unplayable when he isn't hitting his shots.  Boston basically has taken the approach with Hauser that Miami has used with Robinson.  Robinson was hitting his shots, Hauser was not.

Eh.  Hauser played about 40 minutes, total, against Philly and Miami.  He was never given a chance.

or the first 2 games against the Sixers he was given a chance and failed.  He played 13 minutes and he was 0 for 3 with 1 steal, 1 rebound, and 1 foul. Combined.  2 games. 13 minutes of absolute garbage.

13 minutes combined over two games is him getting a legit chance? 

But, that's what worries me about our roster.  Even if guys can play capably, that doesn't mean that Joe will play them.

So whose minutes in those series should Hauser have taken? Joes rotation was Smart, White, Brown, Tatum, Horford, Brogdon, Timelord, Grant. A few from Grant? I wouldn’t want him cutting into anyones else’s.

[Big333223]

This feels a little like kicking the guy on his way out the door but I'm not going to miss Grant, honestly. For a few reasons:

1. The way people talked about his personality in the locker room always felt, to me, like they were trying not to say something mean about something that was really annoying to be around. Everyone talked about how he talked a lot and it was always spun to sound kind of endearing, like he was the team's "little brother." All the reporting I've heard claims he was well liked in the locker room but it always struck me that being around the personality a lot probably wore on guys but they couldn't say anything bad about their teammate.

2. Over the last year, I got sick to death of hearing about the Milwaukee playoff game. In that game, Grant shot .389 from 3 (7/18). For that season, he averaged .411 from 3. What that means is that, on a night when the opposition strategically left him WIDE OPEN all night long, he managed to shoot below his season average. That game is talked about like he's a hero but if someone like Hauser was getting those looks he'd probably have scored 40. Grant was given a golden opportunity and he was... fine.

3. He always seems better on paper than in realty. He can shoot and he can also put the ball on the floor, he's strong but he's also nimble. So why did I consistently forget that he was on the floor for long stretches? Why was his impact so often so minimal? He's like the opposite of Marcus Smart. There were lots of things to criticize about Smart's game but he always found ways to make a positive impact no matter what. With Grant, he had all of these theoretical skills but rarely knew how to use them to his advantage.

[ChillyWilly]

This feels a little like kicking the guy on his way out the door but I'm not going to miss Grant, honestly. For a few reasons:

1. The way people talked about his personality in the locker room always felt, to me, like they were trying not to say something mean about something that was really annoying to be around. Everyone talked about how he talked a lot and it was always spun to sound kind of endearing, like he was the team's "little brother." All the reporting I've heard claims he was well liked in the locker room but it always struck me that being around the personality a lot probably wore on guys but they couldn't say anything bad about their teammate.

2. Over the last year, I got sick to death of hearing about the Milwaukee playoff game. In that game, Grant shot .389 from 3 (7/18). For that season, he averaged .411 from 3. What that means is that, on a night when the opposition strategically left him WIDE OPEN all night long, he managed to shoot below his season average. That game is talked about like he's a hero but if someone like Hauser was getting those looks he'd probably have scored 40. Grant was given a golden opportunity and he was... fine.

3. He always seems better on paper than in realty. He can shoot and he can also put the ball on the floor, he's strong but he's also nimble. So why did I consistently forget that he was on the floor for long stretches? Why was his impact so often so minimal? He's like the opposite of Marcus Smart. There were lots of things to criticize about Smart's game but he always found ways to make a positive impact no matter what. With Grant, he had all of these theoretical skills but rarely knew how to use them to his advantage.

TP couldn't have said it better myself. I pointed out in his second season my sauces said Grant is an extremely overwhelming person to be around even though he means well.

[Roy H.]

When I say Hauser is inconsistent this is what I mean.

These are his monthly shooting percentages from 3 (with his attempts)

Oct - 55.6 (3)
Nov - 46.2 (4.9)
Dec - 28.3 (3.
Jan - 31.4 (2.7)
Feb - 49.1 (5)
Mar - 42.6 (3.
Apr - 42.9 (8.
1st - 45.5 (1.9)
ECS - 20 (1.3)
ECF - 25 (1.6)

He has spurts where he shoots amazingly, but then he invariably comes back down.  He was quite simply bad against Philly and Miami and since he can't do much of anything else, he is unplayable when he isn't hitting his shots.  Boston basically has taken the approach with Hauser that Miami has used with Robinson.  Robinson was hitting his shots, Hauser was not.

Eh.  Hauser played about 40 minutes, total, against Philly and Miami.  He was never given a chance.

or the first 2 games against the Sixers he was given a chance and failed.  He played 13 minutes and he was 0 for 3 with 1 steal, 1 rebound, and 1 foul. Combined.  2 games. 13 minutes of absolute garbage.

13 minutes combined over two games is him getting a legit chance? 

But, that's what worries me about our roster.  Even if guys can play capably, that doesn't mean that Joe will play them.

So whose minutes in those series should Hauser have taken? Joes rotation was Smart, White, Brown, Tatum, Horford, Brogdon, Timelord, Grant. A few from Grant? I wouldn’t want him cutting into anyones else’s.

Brogdon was playing on one arm against Miami.  He was unfortunately a liability.

[keevsnick]

When I say Hauser is inconsistent this is what I mean.

These are his monthly shooting percentages from 3 (with his attempts)

Oct - 55.6 (3)
Nov - 46.2 (4.9)
Dec - 28.3 (3.
Jan - 31.4 (2.7)
Feb - 49.1 (5)
Mar - 42.6 (3.
Apr - 42.9 (8.
1st - 45.5 (1.9)
ECS - 20 (1.3)
ECF - 25 (1.6)

He has spurts where he shoots amazingly, but then he invariably comes back down.  He was quite simply bad against Philly and Miami and since he can't do much of anything else, he is unplayable when he isn't hitting his shots.  Boston basically has taken the approach with Hauser that Miami has used with Robinson.  Robinson was hitting his shots, Hauser was not.

Eh.  Hauser played about 40 minutes, total, against Philly and Miami.  He was never given a chance.

or the first 2 games against the Sixers he was given a chance and failed.  He played 13 minutes and he was 0 for 3 with 1 steal, 1 rebound, and 1 foul. Combined.  2 games. 13 minutes of absolute garbage.

13 minutes combined over two games is him getting a legit chance? 

But, that's what worries me about our roster.  Even if guys can play capably, that doesn't mean that Joe will play them.

So whose minutes in those series should Hauser have taken? Joes rotation was Smart, White, Brown, Tatum, Horford, Brogdon, Timelord, Grant. A few from Grant? I wouldn’t want him cutting into anyones else’s.

Brogdon was playing on one arm against Miami.  He was unfortunately a liability.

By game 7 especially, putting him out there when it was obvious he was hobbled was coaching mal-practice.

I appreciate Malcolm wants to help the team, wnats to play. But the coach has to be honest with him and sit him in that situation.

[Moranis]

When I say Hauser is inconsistent this is what I mean.

These are his monthly shooting percentages from 3 (with his attempts)

Oct - 55.6 (3)
Nov - 46.2 (4.9)
Dec - 28.3 (3.
Jan - 31.4 (2.7)
Feb - 49.1 (5)
Mar - 42.6 (3.
Apr - 42.9 (8.
1st - 45.5 (1.9)
ECS - 20 (1.3)
ECF - 25 (1.6)

He has spurts where he shoots amazingly, but then he invariably comes back down.  He was quite simply bad against Philly and Miami and since he can't do much of anything else, he is unplayable when he isn't hitting his shots.  Boston basically has taken the approach with Hauser that Miami has used with Robinson.  Robinson was hitting his shots, Hauser was not.

Eh.  Hauser played about 40 minutes, total, against Philly and Miami.  He was never given a chance.

or the first 2 games against the Sixers he was given a chance and failed.  He played 13 minutes and he was 0 for 3 with 1 steal, 1 rebound, and 1 foul. Combined.  2 games. 13 minutes of absolute garbage.

13 minutes combined over two games is him getting a legit chance? 

But, that's what worries me about our roster.  Even if guys can play capably, that doesn't mean that Joe will play them.

That is what bench players get in the playoffs.  How many minutes do you think Tatum is going to play in the playoffs?

[Celtics4ever]

Grant worked hard to improve his game while here.   He is undersized and not a good athlete.    He was always going to have some limitations given those facts.   He dealt with these by being clever.    He was never good at guarding bigs other than putting a body on them.      Despite all the claims of him being good at against Giannis he has the worst defensive rating  against him.

I think Dallas will regret the signing.

[Birdman]

Grant worked hard to improve his game while here.   He is undersized and not a good athlete.    He was always going to have some limitations given those facts.   He dealt with these by being clever.    He was never good at guarding bigs other than putting a body on them.      Despite all the claims of him being good at against Giannis he has the worst defensive rating  against him.

I think Dallas will regret the signing.

I agree!!

[Roy H.]

When I say Hauser is inconsistent this is what I mean.

These are his monthly shooting percentages from 3 (with his attempts)

Oct - 55.6 (3)
Nov - 46.2 (4.9)
Dec - 28.3 (3.
Jan - 31.4 (2.7)
Feb - 49.1 (5)
Mar - 42.6 (3.
Apr - 42.9 (8.
1st - 45.5 (1.9)
ECS - 20 (1.3)
ECF - 25 (1.6)

He has spurts where he shoots amazingly, but then he invariably comes back down.  He was quite simply bad against Philly and Miami and since he can't do much of anything else, he is unplayable when he isn't hitting his shots.  Boston basically has taken the approach with Hauser that Miami has used with Robinson.  Robinson was hitting his shots, Hauser was not.

Eh.  Hauser played about 40 minutes, total, against Philly and Miami.  He was never given a chance.

or the first 2 games against the Sixers he was given a chance and failed.  He played 13 minutes and he was 0 for 3 with 1 steal, 1 rebound, and 1 foul. Combined.  2 games. 13 minutes of absolute garbage.

13 minutes combined over two games is him getting a legit chance? 

But, that's what worries me about our roster.  Even if guys can play capably, that doesn't mean that Joe will play them.

That is what bench players get in the playoffs.  How many minutes do you think Tatum is going to play in the playoffs?

Eh.  Miami's 9th and 10th men (really, their 11th and 12th men due to injuries) averaged more minutes than that.