Have We Considered How Dangerous the Bucks Would Be…

[GreenlyGreeny]

…if they convinced the Nets to wash their hands of KD/Kyrie in exchange for Middleton/Holiday/picks/swaps? A Big 3 of Giannis/KD/Kyrie cannot be stopped, can it? 😬 I ask myself who could feasibly take on KD AND Kyrie, just in case they’re both going full-on-brat behind the scenes and saying they will both sit-out 2022-2023 if they are not traded somewhere else together—and this is the only path I can see for that to happen. And it scares the daylights out of me.

That possibility alone, no matter how remote, may be reason to throw JB/Grant/Pritchard/picks/swaps at them for KD, and hope LA gives up multiple picks/Westbrick for Kyrie. It would not surprise me if Kyrie/KD are saying Kyrie to LA and KD to a contender, or Kyrie/KD together somewhere else—one of those two scenarios, or no KD/Kyrie in 2022-2023 and any team interested in KD is going to hear about it, so good luck, Brooklyn. That’s how bananas this player collusion/Klutch shenanigans has become…

[liam]

…if they convinced the Nets to wash their hands of KD/Kyrie in exchange for Middleton/Holiday/picks/swaps? A Big 3 of Giannis/KD/Kyrie cannot be stopped, can it? 😬 I ask myself who could feasibly take on KD AND Kyrie, just in case they’re both going full-on-brat behind the scenes and saying they will both sit-out 2022-2023 if they are not traded somewhere else together—and this is the only path I can see for that to happen. And it scares the daylights out of me.

That possibility alone, no matter how remote, may be reason to throw JB/Grant/Pritchard/picks/swaps at them for KD, and hope LA gives up multiple picks/Westbrick for Kyrie. It would not surprise me if Kyrie/KD are saying Kyrie to LA and KD to a contender, or Kyrie/KD together somewhere else, or no KD/Kyrie in 2022-2023. That’s how bananas this player collusion/Klutch shenanigans has become…

It's going to be a hard swallow for any team trading a ton for KD. He hasn't even started his 4 year extension and he's forcing his way out.

[celticsclay]

…if they convinced the Nets to wash their hands of KD/Kyrie in exchange for Middleton/Holiday/picks/swaps? A Big 3 of Giannis/KD/Kyrie cannot be stopped, can it? 😬 I ask myself who could feasibly take on KD AND Kyrie, just in case they’re both going full-on-brat behind the scenes and saying they will both sit-out 2022-2023 if they are not traded somewhere else together—and this is the only path I can see for that to happen. And it scares the daylights out of me.

That possibility alone, no matter how remote, may be reason to throw JB/Grant/Pritchard/picks/swaps at them for KD, and hope LA gives up multiple picks/Westbrick for Kyrie. It would not surprise me if Kyrie/KD are saying Kyrie to LA and KD to a contender, or Kyrie/KD together somewhere else—one of those two scenarios, or no KD/Kyrie in 2022-2023 and any team interested in KD is going to hear about it, so good luck, Brooklyn. That’s how bananas this player collusion/Klutch shenanigans has become…

Is this based on anything? Or just chaos?

[gouki88]

…if they convinced the Nets to wash their hands of KD/Kyrie in exchange for Middleton/Holiday/picks/swaps? A Big 3 of Giannis/KD/Kyrie cannot be stopped, can it? 😬 I ask myself who could feasibly take on KD AND Kyrie, just in case they’re both going full-on-brat behind the scenes and saying they will both sit-out 2022-2023 if they are not traded somewhere else together—and this is the only path I can see for that to happen. And it scares the daylights out of me.

That possibility alone, no matter how remote, may be reason to throw JB/Grant/Pritchard/picks/swaps at them for KD, and hope LA gives up multiple picks/Westbrick for Kyrie. It would not surprise me if Kyrie/KD are saying Kyrie to LA and KD to a contender, or Kyrie/KD together somewhere else—one of those two scenarios, or no KD/Kyrie in 2022-2023 and any team interested in KD is going to hear about it, so good luck, Brooklyn. That’s how bananas this player collusion/Klutch shenanigans has become…

Is this based on anything? Or just chaos?

Lots of NBA2K

[Moranis]

Recognizing this is just a nonsense greenly idea, why would Brooklyn do that trade?  Middleton and Holiday are fine as 2nd and 3rd pieces, but they are older and won't be around all that long.  So why would Brooklyn want them to pair with Simmons?  To be a 40ish win team for the next couple of seasons and then go in the crapper right about the time they still owe picks to Houston.  Also, Milwaukee still owes picks on the Holiday trade, so they don't have a lot of 1st's to trade, and those picks won't be any good anyway.  I mean projecting out to 2029 is a giant crap shoot, but I think I'd want Milwaukee's pick the least of every single team in the league because Giannis still won't even be 35 then and he seems like a Dirk type guy that is just going to ride out his entire career in Milwaukee.

[GreenlyGreeny]

…if they convinced the Nets to wash their hands of KD/Kyrie in exchange for Middleton/Holiday/picks/swaps? A Big 3 of Giannis/KD/Kyrie cannot be stopped, can it? 😬 I ask myself who could feasibly take on KD AND Kyrie, just in case they’re both going full-on-brat behind the scenes and saying they will both sit-out 2022-2023 if they are not traded somewhere else together—and this is the only path I can see for that to happen. And it scares the daylights out of me.

That possibility alone, no matter how remote, may be reason to throw JB/Grant/Pritchard/picks/swaps at them for KD, and hope LA gives up multiple picks/Westbrick for Kyrie. It would not surprise me if Kyrie/KD are saying Kyrie to LA and KD to a contender, or Kyrie/KD together somewhere else—one of those two scenarios, or no KD/Kyrie in 2022-2023 and any team interested in KD is going to hear about it, so good luck, Brooklyn. That’s how bananas this player collusion/Klutch shenanigans has become…

Is this based on anything? Or just chaos?

Just a what-if:

What if Kyrie and KD have both said to Brooklyn here are the three options for you and any trading partner considering KD:

1) Kyrie to LA and KD to a contender
Or
2) Kyrie/KD both to the same contender
Or
3) If not 1 or 2, no KD and no Kyrie in 2022-2023. In other words, they legit threaten to sit-out the season (they’ve seen the Simmons loophole up close and personal), and Brooklyn gets nothing. We already saw Kyrie basically carry out a threat to not play on principle, so do they really want to roll the die  again?

If the above happens, who blinks first if LA makes it clear they don’t even want Kyrie any more? I’d say Brooklyn because they need revenue more than KD/Kyrie need 2022-2023, and I’d say a deal that requires moving both KD/Kyrie cannot be topped by the Bucks with Middleton/Holiday (still a better combo than AD/Westbrick, and no other duo that tops those two would be on the table). Nets wash their hands of the nightmare and work over time to move Middleton and Holiday for pieces in order to get more than whatever picks the Bucks deal.

The big question for the Celtics: What are the odds of this? Are KD and Kyrie bananas enough to orchestrate such a situation? If the probability is not zero, we ought to do something to get KD and help facilitate Kyrie to LA (item/scenario 1 above) otherwise we might be facing a Giannis/KD/Kyrie Bucks team around the corner (item/scenario 2 above).

[GreenlyGreeny]

The above nightmare also explains why a KD dealhas not yet happened despite days to thoroughly review presumably dozens of attractive offers. What else could be the hold-up besides these two being complete brats trying to game the system? If they want to win a ring together and know they cannot do it in Brooklyn, what else could the play be besides something like this? Manufacture your way onto Giannis’ team and guess what you might actually do next year? Win a ring together.

[celticsclay]

The above nightmare also explains why a KD dealhas not yet happened despite days to thoroughly review presumably dozens of attractive offers. What else could be the hold-up besides these two being complete brats trying to game the system? If they want to win a ring together and know they cannot do it in Brooklyn, what else could the play be besides something like this? Manufacture your way onto Giannis’ team and guess what you might actually do next year? Win a ring together.

What in the world are you talking about? Durant requested the trade 5 days ago. How fast do you expect this to happen?

[pokeKingCurtis]

Weirdly didn't this kind of happen for the Nets? Can you imagine if the KD+Kyrie Nets got Harden.

I guess they got much better return, because they actually have firsts to trade.

It also blew up so i'd kind of like to see Kyrie go to the Bucks, who is one of our more significant roadblocks.

[ETNCeltics]

There's a point of diminishing returns for a player. There's only one basketball, ~100 offensive possessions, and 240 minutes of playing time to spread around. When you add players who do the same thing, the whole of your team becomes less than than the sum of its parts. I suspect that would be the case with any team that adds Kyrie - we of all fans should know this - and Durant and Freak are a bit redundant.

That doesn't scare me. No super team scares me. If we shot a little better, we'd be defending champs right now. We've added a very good player, a nice bench piece, and have 2 young stars who can still improve. Bring on the Bucks or Nets or whoever Durant winds up with. Durant is on his last legs, JT & JB are just entering their prime.

[tazzmaniac]

The above nightmare also explains why a KD dealhas not yet happened despite days to thoroughly review presumably dozens of attractive offers. What else could be the hold-up besides these two being complete brats trying to game the system? If they want to win a ring together and know they cannot do it in Brooklyn, what else could the play be besides something like this? Manufacture your way onto Giannis’ team and guess what you might actually do next year? Win a ring together.

The Nets are in control.  No reason for them to rush a trade.  They'll milk it until they can get all the value that they can from KD and Kyrie. 

[pokeKingCurtis]

There's a point of diminishing returns for a player. There's only one basketball, ~100 offensive possessions, and 240 minutes of playing time to spread around. When you add players who do the same thing, the whole of your team becomes less than than the sum of its parts. I suspect that would be the case with any team that adds Kyrie - we of all fans should know this - and Durant and Freak are a bit redundant.

I mean yea in a way, but also not really, beacuse people generally don't play 48 mins a game.

I believe the Nets were actually really scary before with Kyrie, Harden and KD all healthy (mentally + physically), available and playing.

[RockinRyA]

Not gonna happen lol. Durant has little leverage in where he wants to go because he is signed for 4 more years. The nets are going to take the best offer and hell its definitely not middleton and holiday.

[pokeKingCurtis]

Not gonna happen lol. Durant has little leverage in where he wants to go because he is signed for 4 more years. The nets are going to take the best offer and hell its definitely not middleton and holiday.

Well Durant can just...not play.

The Suns are the frontrunners for Durant for this reason. Would you want to trade for a sulking Durant? Would you want to deal with the same crap this time next year?

As one of the Locked On NBA people noted, and I think one of the Lowe Post guests also noted, if Durant gets his way, this would really make the next CBA negotiations interesting. NBA team owners make heaps of profits, but tough pill to swallow if 5 year contracts mean absolutely nothing.

[RockinRyA]

Not gonna happen lol. Durant has little leverage in where he wants to go because he is signed for 4 more years. The nets are going to take the best offer and hell its definitely not middleton and holiday.

Well Durant can just...not play.

The Suns are the frontrunners for Durant for this reason. Would you want to trade for a sulking Durant? Would you want to deal with the same crap this time next year?

As one of the Locked On NBA people noted, and I think one of the Lowe Post guests also noted, if Durant gets his way, this would really make the next CBA negotiations interesting. NBA team owners make heaps of profits, but tough pill to swallow if 5 year contracts mean absolutely nothing.

No i dont think he can do that. Too much at stake for him. Its not the same as an expiring or 2 yr deal. Various articles indicated brooklyn will take their time and take the best deal possible so no, i dont believe you