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If you're BKN, which of these is most attractive to you?

KD to BOS for J. Brown, D. White, 1st rounders
8 (24.2%)
KD to ATL for J. Collins, D. Hunter, O. Okongwu, J. Johnson, 1st rounders
0 (0%)
KD to PHX for M. Bridges & D. Ayton (S&T), 1st rounders
13 (39.4%)
KD to CHI for D. DeRozan, P. Williams, C. White, A. Dosonmu, 1st rounders
0 (0%)
KD & Harris to LAC for P. George, N. Powell,T. Mann, 1st rounders
1 (3%)
KD to MIA for T. Herro (S&T), D. Robinson, boat load of 1st rounders & pick swaps
0 (0%)
KD & S. Curry to GSW for A. Wiggins, J. Wiseman, J. Kuminga, M. Moody, 1st
8 (24.2%)
KD to MEM for J. Jackson, D. Brooks, X. Williams, J. LaRavia, 1st rounders
1 (3%)
KD to PHI for T. Maxey, T. Harris, M. Thybulle, picks & swaps
0 (0%)
KD to TOR for OG Anunoby, G. Trent, P. Achiuwa, 1st rounders
2 (6.1%)

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Re: Best trade package for KD?
« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2022, 07:21:01 PM »

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Kd may want to to a team that can sign Cryrie next year as free agent maybe why Celts aren’t mentioned

I don’t think he’ll hitch his career to Kyrie going forward.


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Re: Best trade package for KD?
« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2022, 11:22:36 PM »

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I still think the Raptors come through and make the best offer.

Scottie Barnes, OG, Gary Trent, firsts in 23, 25, 27 and swaps in 24,26,28.

I'm not sure where the Nets get a better offer.

GSW is close as a possibility. The Hawks could be a dark horse with Collins, Okongwu, AJ Griffin, Jalen Johnson, and first in 23 and 29 with swaps in 24 and 28.

Re: Best trade package for KD?
« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2022, 11:27:50 PM »

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I still think the Raptors come through and make the best offer.

Scottie Barnes, OG, Gary Trent, firsts in 23, 25, 27 and swaps in 24,26,28.

I'm not sure where the Nets get a better offer.

GSW is close as a possibility. The Hawks could be a dark horse with Collins, Okongwu, AJ Griffin, Jalen Johnson, and first in 23 and 29 with swaps in 24 and 28.

Early word on the Raps is that they are unwilling to part with Scottie Barnes or Pascal Siakam. That they don't see the point in bringing in a 34yr old Durant if Siakam isn't there to be Robin to Durant's Batman. And that they view Scottie Barnes as the future and are unwilling to their trade their future franchise player for a 34yr old Durant.

Now, that may change but that is what they are saying right now.

And it's not crazy. What is the point in Durant if you don't have a win-now team in place after acquiring him? And just how much of your future (next 15yrs) are you willing to tear apart for 3-5yrs of Durant?

Re: Best trade package for KD?
« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2022, 11:34:42 PM »

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I am surprised the PHO package is seen as so attractive. I regard that as a terrible offer. That is locking up all your cap space on two guys who are 3rd & 4th options on top teams. Along with Ben Simmons clogging the rest of your cap up.

How are you going to build a title contender around that?

It is a short term win-now move but one without any long term future for winning a title.

Re: Best trade package for KD?
« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2022, 11:52:51 PM »

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Just watch. It will be back to GS. They are the only team that can send the Nets everything they are looking for and still have championship aspirations.

Re: Best trade package for KD?
« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2022, 11:57:46 PM »

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I still think the Raptors come through and make the best offer.

Scottie Barnes, OG, Gary Trent, firsts in 23, 25, 27 and swaps in 24,26,28.

I'm not sure where the Nets get a better offer.

GSW is close as a possibility. The Hawks could be a dark horse with Collins, Okongwu, AJ Griffin, Jalen Johnson, and first in 23 and 29 with swaps in 24 and 28.

Early word on the Raps is that they are unwilling to part with Scottie Barnes or Pascal Siakam. That they don't see the point in bringing in a 34yr old Durant if Siakam isn't there to be Robin to Durant's Batman. And that they view Scottie Barnes as the future and are unwilling to their trade their future franchise player for a 34yr old Durant.

Now, that may change but that is what they are saying right now.

And it's not crazy. What is the point in Durant if you don't have a win-now team in place after acquiring him? And just how much of your future (next 15yrs) are you willing to tear apart for 3-5yrs of Durant?

Not wanting to include Barnes or Siakam is fine, I get that. But then you aren't getting Kevin Durant.

The OG, Trent, picks offer is just not even a close offer. I'm a little surprised it made this list.

Re: Best trade package for KD?
« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2022, 12:06:28 AM »

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Just watch. It will be back to GS. They are the only team that can send the Nets everything they are looking for and still have championship aspirations.
Agreed but it isn't kinda like Durant is wandering back home with his tail stuck between legs ...

Like - Hi Mom, I'm back. I couldn't make it on my own out there in the hard tough world. I could only win riding the coat-tails of Steph, Klay and Draymond. I am a failure. I am giving up. It is too hard. Please help me Mommy! Let me come home!

It was pathetic going to GSW the 1st time round but it even more pathetic to go back after failing to win a title without them while they just won one without him.

Re: Best trade package for KD?
« Reply #37 on: July 04, 2022, 12:10:14 AM »

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I still think the Raptors come through and make the best offer.

Scottie Barnes, OG, Gary Trent, firsts in 23, 25, 27 and swaps in 24,26,28.

I'm not sure where the Nets get a better offer.

GSW is close as a possibility. The Hawks could be a dark horse with Collins, Okongwu, AJ Griffin, Jalen Johnson, and first in 23 and 29 with swaps in 24 and 28.

Early word on the Raps is that they are unwilling to part with Scottie Barnes or Pascal Siakam. That they don't see the point in bringing in a 34yr old Durant if Siakam isn't there to be Robin to Durant's Batman. And that they view Scottie Barnes as the future and are unwilling to their trade their future franchise player for a 34yr old Durant.

Now, that may change but that is what they are saying right now.

And it's not crazy. What is the point in Durant if you don't have a win-now team in place after acquiring him? And just how much of your future (next 15yrs) are you willing to tear apart for 3-5yrs of Durant?

Not wanting to include Barnes or Siakam is fine, I get that. But then you aren't getting Kevin Durant.

The OG, Trent, picks offer is just not even a close offer. I'm a little surprised it made this list.

Yeah, that's just not how it works. Obv, FVV is off the table, too with his extension. That's like us saying we want Durant, but are unwilling to include Tatum, Brown, Smart, or Rob. It's great to want to add KD to your team, but you have to give something to get something.

Re: Best trade package for KD?
« Reply #38 on: July 04, 2022, 01:26:47 AM »

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I am surprised the PHO package is seen as so attractive. I regard that as a terrible offer. That is locking up all your cap space on two guys who are 3rd & 4th options on top teams. Along with Ben Simmons clogging the rest of your cap up.

How are you going to build a title contender around that?

It is a short term win-now move but one without any long term future for winning a title.
It would be dependent on them going all in on Ayton as a potential #1 option. Feed him the ball endlessly to see if he can be a 25/10 big man.

I think Bridges offence can scale to 16-18ppg comfortably. He is extremely efficient. You would also be getting draft picks from when both Chris Paul and Durant are toast / retired.
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Re: Best trade package for KD?
« Reply #39 on: July 04, 2022, 07:51:37 AM »

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I wouldn’t give up a lot for Durant..we made it to the finals without him & we added Brogdan & Gallinari
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Re: Best trade package for KD?
« Reply #40 on: July 04, 2022, 08:45:01 AM »

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If I were BKN, the Boston or Memphis package for me. Brown or Jackson are notably better than other players being offered, even if the others had more role players. BKN needs a new young foundation to build upon and these guys have the potential

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« Reply #41 on: July 04, 2022, 09:55:12 AM »

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Phoenix package is the best and I don’t really think it’s close. You get Ayton and Bridges, two starters in their early 20’s and that’s a good chunk of the rebuild right there. They are sure things vs the first round picks which are a complete crapshoot.
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Re: Best trade package for KD?
« Reply #42 on: July 04, 2022, 10:01:28 AM »

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As is often the case, I think people are going to be surprised that the core player in a trade for KD isn't a current all-star.

This is for two reasons:
1. The team trading the all-star has to have enough talent left to compete for a championship with KD. That's pretty hard to do.
2. That's just not how these trades work. The players going back are often upside guys on team-controlled contracts.

The Chicago trade can't/won't happen because of #1 above.

The Warriors and the Sixers trade can't/won't happen for personal reasons. I don't think Durant wants to play with Harden or Green again.

The Atlanta and Clippers trades can't happen because they don't really have their 1sts anymore.

The Memphis one won't happen because Durant is not on their timeline.

That leaves Boston, Suns, Heat, and Raptors from your list. I will also include the Blazers.

The Suns offer is really difficult to do with Ayton coming into a new contract.
1. From what I understand, Ayton's salary in that trade is his last year's for Suns trading him away, and his new (likely max) salary for the Nets bringing him in.
2. I can't see the Suns going deep into the tax with their ownership group, and I think the Nets are trying to get out of the tax if they are trading Irving and Durant.
3. For this to happen, Ayton would need to accept a sign-and-trade for a $$ amount the Nets like (difficult)
4. They would likely need to facility a third team receiving two or three of Saric, Crowder, Shamet, Payne, and Craig. That would need to happen with draft compensation from the Suns, which they probably do not have enough of.
5. On top of all that, Ayton is a terrible fit next to Simmons.

The Raptors offer can't really include Siakim because then they aren't good enough to win a championship. Their offer would have to be based around OG, salary filler, and 1sts.

The Heat offer is one 1st short of what other teams can offer and would have to include Robinson, who is not only on a negative value contract right now, but is very redundant with Harris, Mills, and Curry.

The Blazers offer can actually include an extra 1st. I think they can offer the best trade if they wait for a few months to include Simons. For them, it would be Bledsoe, Simons, Sharpe, Little (or Johnson), and 5 future 1sts. That would leave them Lillard-Payton-Grant-Durant-Nurkic.

I just don't think the Celtics would need to include Jaylen Brown in any trade offers (and I don't think I would anyway). I think they would need to include Smart, who is on the same level as the main piece included in these other offers (OG, Herro, Simons, Bridges). All of those guys are fringe all-stars, but they aren't high level two-way players. Smart is the best defensive player in the NBA, and he brings above average offense at his position. If Royce O'neale on an expiring is worth a 1st, how much is Smart worth on his contract?

For salary ballast, the Cs would need to include Horford as well, who I'm sure would be willing to take a buyout to join a contender.

The main problem is that the Cs have traded their pick swap in 28 and their 23 first. That means they could offer 24 and 26 swap with 25, 27, and 29 1sts. That's a pick short of what a few other teams could offer.

It really comes down to what the Nets prefer as far as the center piece of the trade. I could see some teams talking themselves into Smart over Herro, Simons, OG, and Bridges. Herro and Simons could both be young offensive players that you could sell your fans on. OG and Bridges are both very reliant on other players creating offense for them, but their defense is high level (although not on Smart's level).

Re: Best trade package for KD?
« Reply #43 on: July 04, 2022, 10:11:02 AM »

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This is going to take a while. I see no chance the C's make a deal, and no chance GS does.

The Atlanta and Phoenix proposals seem most valuable to me of what's left.

It seems like there is a disconnect between the idea that Durant still may fetch the biggest haul in NBA history with what is listed here.

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« Reply #44 on: July 04, 2022, 10:19:16 AM »

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As is often the case, I think people are going to be surprised that the core player in a trade for KD isn't a current all-star.

This is for two reasons:
1. The team trading the all-star has to have enough talent left to compete for a championship with KD. That's pretty hard to do.
2. That's just not how these trades work. The players going back are often upside guys on team-controlled contracts.

The Chicago trade can't/won't happen because of #1 above.

The Warriors and the Sixers trade can't/won't happen for personal reasons. I don't think Durant wants to play with Harden or Green again.

The Atlanta and Clippers trades can't happen because they don't really have their 1sts anymore.

The Memphis one won't happen because Durant is not on their timeline.

That leaves Boston, Suns, Heat, and Raptors from your list. I will also include the Blazers.

The Suns offer is really difficult to do with Ayton coming into a new contract.
1. From what I understand, Ayton's salary in that trade is his last year's for Suns trading him away, and his new (likely max) salary for the Nets bringing him in.
2. I can't see the Suns going deep into the tax with their ownership group, and I think the Nets are trying to get out of the tax if they are trading Irving and Durant.
3. For this to happen, Ayton would need to accept a sign-and-trade for a $$ amount the Nets like (difficult)
4. They would likely need to facility a third team receiving two or three of Saric, Crowder, Shamet, Payne, and Craig. That would need to happen with draft compensation from the Suns, which they probably do not have enough of.
5. On top of all that, Ayton is a terrible fit next to Simmons.

The Raptors offer can't really include Siakim because then they aren't good enough to win a championship. Their offer would have to be based around OG, salary filler, and 1sts.

The Heat offer is one 1st short of what other teams can offer and would have to include Robinson, who is not only on a negative value contract right now, but is very redundant with Harris, Mills, and Curry.

The Blazers offer can actually include an extra 1st. I think they can offer the best trade if they wait for a few months to include Simons. For them, it would be Bledsoe, Simons, Sharpe, Little (or Johnson), and 5 future 1sts. That would leave them Lillard-Payton-Grant-Durant-Nurkic.

I just don't think the Celtics would need to include Jaylen Brown in any trade offers (and I don't think I would anyway). I think they would need to include Smart, who is on the same level as the main piece included in these other offers (OG, Herro, Simons, Bridges). All of those guys are fringe all-stars, but they aren't high level two-way players. Smart is the best defensive player in the NBA, and he brings above average offense at his position. If Royce O'neale on an expiring is worth a 1st, how much is Smart worth on his contract?

For salary ballast, the Cs would need to include Horford as well, who I'm sure would be willing to take a buyout to join a contender.

The main problem is that the Cs have traded their pick swap in 28 and their 23 first. That means they could offer 24 and 26 swap with 25, 27, and 29 1sts. That's a pick short of what a few other teams could offer.

It really comes down to what the Nets prefer as far as the center piece of the trade. I could see some teams talking themselves into Smart over Herro, Simons, OG, and Bridges. Herro and Simons could both be young offensive players that you could sell your fans on. OG and Bridges are both very reliant on other players creating offense for them, but their defense is high level (although not on Smart's level).

We aren't making this deal. Other than Brown, Jaren Jackson is the most valuable guy on this list. Wiggins has made a leap too.

Paul George and DeRozan are obviously outstanding players, but are in their 30's. There are some really nice younger players here, but no other clear all-star level talents. Not sure how this resolves itself, because the Nets need a huge haul here or they are ruined.