Dejounte Murray rumors...

[td450]

It's hard to believe the take that Murray is just a little better than Smart.

He's far quicker and more explosive offensively. Smart slows this team down. He's 2 1/2 years younger, which matters with Tatum and Smart, and means he has more room to improve.

Smart has lived in the backdraft of better offensive options his whole career. He gets a lot of easy looks, because teams cheat off him. Murray is doing what he's doing with almost no help. Until the recent emergence of Keldon Johnson, who is only 22, Derrick White was possibly his best teammate the last two years!!!

Marcus Smart was 29th in assists this year. Murray was 4th, ahead of Luka Doncic. 

We also could use an elite rebounder, because our defensive scheme is more vulnerable to offensive rebounds than most.

I think he would make us next level because he fits so well with the J's. He's probably the best transition guard in the league. That's how this group should play.

[libermaniac]

It's hard to believe the take that Murray is just a little better than Smart.

He's far quicker and more explosive offensively. Smart slows this team down. He's 2 1/2 years younger, which matters with Tatum and Smart, and means he has more room to improve.

Smart has lived in the backdraft of better offensive options his whole career. He gets a lot of easy looks, because teams cheat off him. Murray is doing what he's doing with almost no help. Until the recent emergence of Keldon Johnson, who is only 22, Derrick White was possibly his best teammate the last two years!!!

Marcus Smart was 29th in assists this year. Murray was 4th, ahead of Luka Doncic. 

We also could use an elite rebounder, because our defensive scheme is more vulnerable to offensive rebounds than most.

I think he would make us next level because he fits so well with the J's. He's probably the best transition guard in the league. That's how this group should play.

What’s hard to believe is that Ainge took Yabusele and Zizic over DeJounte in the 2016 draft. I always hated his strategy of drafting Euros so he could stash them and save money. I remember wanting Murray at the time and congratulating my Spurs fan brother on a great pick.

Look at all of the talent Ainge passed on to save money. Murray, Thybulle, Bane. Think we might’ve won a title with those guys? 🤦

[BruceBanner18]

It really hurts that Nesmith hasn't worked out... Best shooter in his class with comparisons to Middleton. Sounds like exactly what we need

[jbpats]

It's hard to believe the take that Murray is just a little better than Smart.

He's far quicker and more explosive offensively. Smart slows this team down. He's 2 1/2 years younger, which matters with Tatum and Smart, and means he has more room to improve.

Smart has lived in the backdraft of better offensive options his whole career. He gets a lot of easy looks, because teams cheat off him. Murray is doing what he's doing with almost no help. Until the recent emergence of Keldon Johnson, who is only 22, Derrick White was possibly his best teammate the last two years!!!

Marcus Smart was 29th in assists this year. Murray was 4th, ahead of Luka Doncic. 

We also could use an elite rebounder, because our defensive scheme is more vulnerable to offensive rebounds than most.

I think he would make us next level because he fits so well with the J's. He's probably the best transition guard in the league. That's how this group should play.

What’s hard to believe is that Ainge took Yabusele and Zizic over DeJounte in the 2016 draft. I always hated his strategy of drafting Euros so he could stash them and save money. I remember wanting Murray at the time and congratulating my Spurs fan brother on a great pick.

Look at all of the talent Ainge passed on to save money. Murray, Thybulle, Bane. Think we might’ve won a title with those guys? 🤦

What about that time Ainge passed on Giannis for Kelly O.. did you like the strategy of not drafting Euro's then?

[liam]

It's hard to believe the take that Murray is just a little better than Smart.

He's far quicker and more explosive offensively. Smart slows this team down. He's 2 1/2 years younger, which matters with Tatum and Smart, and means he has more room to improve.

Smart has lived in the backdraft of better offensive options his whole career. He gets a lot of easy looks, because teams cheat off him. Murray is doing what he's doing with almost no help. Until the recent emergence of Keldon Johnson, who is only 22, Derrick White was possibly his best teammate the last two years!!!

Marcus Smart was 29th in assists this year. Murray was 4th, ahead of Luka Doncic. 

We also could use an elite rebounder, because our defensive scheme is more vulnerable to offensive rebounds than most.

I think he would make us next level because he fits so well with the J's. He's probably the best transition guard in the league. That's how this group should play.

What’s hard to believe is that Ainge took Yabusele and Zizic over DeJounte in the 2016 draft. I always hated his strategy of drafting Euros so he could stash them and save money. I remember wanting Murray at the time and congratulating my Spurs fan brother on a great pick.

Look at all of the talent Ainge passed on to save money. Murray, Thybulle, Bane. Think we might’ve won a title with those guys? 🤦

The saddest thing about the Bane trade away was it was strickly a money move to save Wyc and company some cash.

[wiley]

It's hard to believe the take that Murray is just a little better than Smart.

He's far quicker and more explosive offensively. Smart slows this team down. He's 2 1/2 years younger, which matters with Tatum and Smart, and means he has more room to improve.

Smart has lived in the backdraft of better offensive options his whole career. He gets a lot of easy looks, because teams cheat off him. Murray is doing what he's doing with almost no help. Until the recent emergence of Keldon Johnson, who is only 22, Derrick White was possibly his best teammate the last two years!!!

Marcus Smart was 29th in assists this year. Murray was 4th, ahead of Luka Doncic. 

We also could use an elite rebounder, because our defensive scheme is more vulnerable to offensive rebounds than most.

I think he would make us next level because he fits so well with the J's. He's probably the best transition guard in the league. That's how this group should play.

I hear ya and like him a lot myself.  And like Libermaniac below was a fan at draft time...(I think I commented that the way he moved reminded me of Pierce, though at different size and skill set...but anyway he looked good to me).

Would you trade Brown and Pritchard for Murray and K. Johnson?  Would they?  Probably both say no?  Celtics for sure no.  For us it would turn Tatum back into the starting PF (otherwise you have White and Smart both on the bench...or Keldon J. on the bench....so it would create need for another trade probably...and Stevens doesn't want major shakeup...my own mood is riskier...as I fear Cleveland's rise, and the Bucks..to name a couple...we need deeper high quality imo...as opposed to two star approach...after the finals my trade one of Tatum/Brown feeling bit me in the arse again..at least one of them needs to stop turning the ball over).

[Surferdad]

It really hurts that Nesmith hasn't worked out... Best shooter in his class with comparisons to Middleton. Sounds like exactly what we need

It does because Aaron is a very hard worker. I think he has some shot-creating potential going to the cup, but he's not asked to do that in the C's offense.  Also he doesn't look like he has the body type that will fill out with muscle and this leaves him at a disadvantage.  IMO, we should move on and hope he catches on elsewhere.

[hwangjini_1]

It's hard to believe the take that Murray is just a little better than Smart.

He's far quicker and more explosive offensively. Smart slows this team down. He's 2 1/2 years younger, which matters with Tatum and Smart, and means he has more room to improve.

Smart has lived in the backdraft of better offensive options his whole career. He gets a lot of easy looks, because teams cheat off him. Murray is doing what he's doing with almost no help. Until the recent emergence of Keldon Johnson, who is only 22, Derrick White was possibly his best teammate the last two years!!!

Marcus Smart was 29th in assists this year. Murray was 4th, ahead of Luka Doncic. 

We also could use an elite rebounder, because our defensive scheme is more vulnerable to offensive rebounds than most.

I think he would make us next level because he fits so well with the J's. He's probably the best transition guard in the league. That's how this group should play.

What’s hard to believe is that Ainge took Yabusele and Zizic over DeJounte in the 2016 draft. I always hated his strategy of drafting Euros so he could stash them and save money. I remember wanting Murray at the time and congratulating my Spurs fan brother on a great pick.

Look at all of the talent Ainge passed on to save money. Murray, Thybulle, Bane. Think we might’ve won a title with those guys? 🤦

murray was picked at #29, so many GMs passed on him. also, he did not really show much until his 3rd to 4th season. it is hard to get too exercised over not picking him.

also, you want to see a team that missed picks? check out Sacramento.

2018 they took bagley #2, doncic was #3
2012 they took robinson #5, lillard was #6
2011 they took fredette (!) #10, klay thompson was #11

they could have had Steph ‘09 (instead Tyreke Evans), Giannis ‘13 (McLemore), Jokic ‘14 (Stauskas), Booker ‘15 (WCS), Siakam ‘16 (Papagiannis), Adebayo ‘17 (Fox), and/or Sengun ‘21 (Mitchell), too.

Halliburton ‘20 was a good pick  and they shipped him off  on his rookie contract.

16 straight seasons missing the playoffs, and we can see why.

complain all you want, but the celtics draft record is no where near Sac's thank goodness.

[td450]

It's hard to believe the take that Murray is just a little better than Smart.

He's far quicker and more explosive offensively. Smart slows this team down. He's 2 1/2 years younger, which matters with Tatum and Smart, and means he has more room to improve.

Smart has lived in the backdraft of better offensive options his whole career. He gets a lot of easy looks, because teams cheat off him. Murray is doing what he's doing with almost no help. Until the recent emergence of Keldon Johnson, who is only 22, Derrick White was possibly his best teammate the last two years!!!

Marcus Smart was 29th in assists this year. Murray was 4th, ahead of Luka Doncic. 

We also could use an elite rebounder, because our defensive scheme is more vulnerable to offensive rebounds than most.

I think he would make us next level because he fits so well with the J's. He's probably the best transition guard in the league. That's how this group should play.

I hear ya and like him a lot myself.  And like Libermaniac below was a fan at draft time...(I think I commented that the way he moved reminded me of Pierce, though at different size and skill set...but anyway he looked good to me).

Would you trade Brown and Pritchard for Murray and K. Johnson?  Would they?  Probably both say no?  Celtics for sure no.  For us it would turn Tatum back into the starting PF (otherwise you have White and Smart both on the bench...or Keldon J. on the bench....so it would create need for another trade probably...and Stevens doesn't want major shakeup...my own mood is riskier...as I fear Cleveland's rise, and the Bucks..to name a couple...we need deeper high quality imo...as opposed to two star approach...after the finals my trade one of Tatum/Brown feeling bit me in the arse again..at least one of them needs to stop turning the ball over).

That's an interesting question.

Last year I posted the idea of Tatum for Murray, Keldon Johnson and I think 2 unprotected 1sts. It was not well received.

I've always been less of a fan of Tatum's than Brown, mostly because I think Brown is more of a leader and more competitive. I've thought that for some time, so that isn't just a finals take. I also think Keldon Johnson is going to make an all-star game some day.

But, there is zero chance of that trade ever happening.

[GreenEnvy]

It really hurts that Nesmith hasn't worked out... Best shooter in his class with comparisons to Middleton. Sounds like exactly what we need

Nesmith’s per 100 stats aren’t THAT far off from Middleton’s first two seasons. Nesmith definitely has talent, but he lost confidence right off the bat when he couldn’t do the one thing he was expected to do, hit threes. From there he went into a tailspin and never got a chance other than spot minutes because of injury/foul trouble/blowouts.

I wouldn’t give up on him just yet. Maybe he won’t be an all-star someday, but he can definitely be a rotation player.

[Sophomore]

We just went to the finals with four starters that Boston drafted and two more rotation players they got in the draft. And I read comment after comment about how the Celtics are terrible at finding talent in the draft. I can’t even.

[radiohead]

What package can we possibly offer? I assume Pop and Ime have quite a good relationship so this is definitely doable?

[libermaniac]

It's hard to believe the take that Murray is just a little better than Smart.

He's far quicker and more explosive offensively. Smart slows this team down. He's 2 1/2 years younger, which matters with Tatum and Smart, and means he has more room to improve.

Smart has lived in the backdraft of better offensive options his whole career. He gets a lot of easy looks, because teams cheat off him. Murray is doing what he's doing with almost no help. Until the recent emergence of Keldon Johnson, who is only 22, Derrick White was possibly his best teammate the last two years!!!

Marcus Smart was 29th in assists this year. Murray was 4th, ahead of Luka Doncic. 

We also could use an elite rebounder, because our defensive scheme is more vulnerable to offensive rebounds than most.

I think he would make us next level because he fits so well with the J's. He's probably the best transition guard in the league. That's how this group should play.

What’s hard to believe is that Ainge took Yabusele and Zizic over DeJounte in the 2016 draft. I always hated his strategy of drafting Euros so he could stash them and save money. I remember wanting Murray at the time and congratulating my Spurs fan brother on a great pick.

Look at all of the talent Ainge passed on to save money. Murray, Thybulle, Bane. Think we might’ve won a title with those guys? 🤦

murray was picked at #29, so many GMs passed on him. also, he did not really show much until his 3rd to 4th season. it is hard to get too exercised over not picking him.

also, you want to see a team that missed picks? check out Sacramento.

2018 they took bagley #2, doncic was #3
2012 they took robinson #5, lillard was #6
2011 they took fredette (!) #10, klay thompson was #11

they could have had Steph ‘09 (instead Tyreke Evans), Giannis ‘13 (McLemore), Jokic ‘14 (Stauskas), Booker ‘15 (WCS), Siakam ‘16 (Papagiannis), Adebayo ‘17 (Fox), and/or Sengun ‘21 (Mitchell), too.

Halliburton ‘20 was a good pick  and they shipped him off  on his rookie contract.

16 straight seasons missing the playoffs, and we can see why.

complain all you want, but the celtics draft record is no where near Sac's thank goodness.

It’s a little different. I’m not complaining about choices that were based on perceived talent. Rather, the examples I mentioned were when we didn’t want to pay a first rounder that year so we either took a draft and stash prospect or traded away the pick. I’m not a fan of those strategies.

The reason is that when you are constraining yourself to draft and stash, more often than not you will be taking a lesser talent and if you outright trade away your pick for basically nothing, you are just giving away a possible asset.

[hwangjini_1]

It's hard to believe the take that Murray is just a little better than Smart.

He's far quicker and more explosive offensively. Smart slows this team down. He's 2 1/2 years younger, which matters with Tatum and Smart, and means he has more room to improve.

Smart has lived in the backdraft of better offensive options his whole career. He gets a lot of easy looks, because teams cheat off him. Murray is doing what he's doing with almost no help. Until the recent emergence of Keldon Johnson, who is only 22, Derrick White was possibly his best teammate the last two years!!!

Marcus Smart was 29th in assists this year. Murray was 4th, ahead of Luka Doncic. 

We also could use an elite rebounder, because our defensive scheme is more vulnerable to offensive rebounds than most.

I think he would make us next level because he fits so well with the J's. He's probably the best transition guard in the league. That's how this group should play.

What’s hard to believe is that Ainge took Yabusele and Zizic over DeJounte in the 2016 draft. I always hated his strategy of drafting Euros so he could stash them and save money. I remember wanting Murray at the time and congratulating my Spurs fan brother on a great pick.

Look at all of the talent Ainge passed on to save money. Murray, Thybulle, Bane. Think we might’ve won a title with those guys? 🤦

murray was picked at #29, so many GMs passed on him. also, he did not really show much until his 3rd to 4th season. it is hard to get too exercised over not picking him.

also, you want to see a team that missed picks? check out Sacramento.

2018 they took bagley #2, doncic was #3
2012 they took robinson #5, lillard was #6
2011 they took fredette (!) #10, klay thompson was #11

they could have had Steph ‘09 (instead Tyreke Evans), Giannis ‘13 (McLemore), Jokic ‘14 (Stauskas), Booker ‘15 (WCS), Siakam ‘16 (Papagiannis), Adebayo ‘17 (Fox), and/or Sengun ‘21 (Mitchell), too.

Halliburton ‘20 was a good pick  and they shipped him off  on his rookie contract.

16 straight seasons missing the playoffs, and we can see why.

complain all you want, but the celtics draft record is no where near Sac's thank goodness.

It’s a little different. I’m not complaining about choices that were based on perceived talent. Rather, the examples I mentioned were when we didn’t want to pay a first rounder that year so we either took a draft and stash prospect or traded away the pick. I’m not a fan of those strategies.

The reason is that when you are constraining yourself to draft and stash, more often than not you will be taking a lesser talent and if you outright trade away your pick for basically nothing, you are just giving away a possible asset.

Ah, got it. sorry for not reading that in the original post. Thanks for explaining and a tp for doing so.

[Dchuck]

What package can we possibly offer? I assume Pop and Ime have quite a good relationship so this is definitely doable?

To me, anyone but the J’s and Rob.  I’d throw in a couple first rndrs as well