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Re: How much would you be willing to shake up this team?
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2022, 04:36:49 PM »

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Theis + Nesmith + Pritchard brings back around $18.5 salary in trade
But none of those contracts is an asset, IMO. Certainly not an asset of any significance.

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Re: How much would you be willing to shake up this team?
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2022, 04:58:46 PM »

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Theis + Nesmith + Pritchard brings back around $18.5 salary in trade
But none of those contracts is an asset, IMO. Certainly not an asset of any significance.

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I agree, we shouldn't be stingy with our first round pics. If this team competes from here on out under the Jays, our 1st round picks aren't going to be much better than our second round and wont contribute to the team the following season.

From here on out Brad should be looking for vet help off the bench not young talent to develop.

Re: How much would you be willing to shake up this team?
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2022, 11:01:47 PM »

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Re: How much would you be willing to shake up this team?
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2022, 09:00:46 AM »

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There's significant internal growth that can still happen. Brown, Tatum, both Williams, Nesmith, and Pritchard are are not done becoming the players they will be. Fringe NBA players like Fitts, Hauser, Thomas, and Ryan may all develop into role players as well (good organizations should expect 1-2 of these every few years). I'd even argue that White might continue to develop as a player as well. I think Smart is mostly who he is (obviously Horford too).

I'm not sure the mindset should be to shake things up. If there is a high-level playoff rotation player that can make the team better, the Cs will consider it just like any team.

The other thought is whether or not the Cs believe Horford can play at the same level for another year. If not, then the time to sell him high to a team that has playoff aspirations is now.

Call me crazy, but while I think Smart is mostly who he is, we did see tremendous strides in his shot selection this year.  I think he is going to use this Finals experience to work on his ball handling and decision making.  We will see better passing and not as much of the "thread the needle" home run passes that we saw during this run.  I truly believe that Smart wants to win with this organization and is willing to put in the work to make those improvements to his game.

If he does this, we are getting our "true point guard" and we can still maintain our defensive identity.  I think Brad and Ime will have to have some serious meetings and discussions about whether they believe this can happen.

Re: How much would you be willing to shake up this team?
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2022, 09:24:24 AM »

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Whatever it takes to do it.
Keep the core intact but theis, nesmith and PP available.

Use your High dollar TPE. Use the 6 million MLE. Team needs solid bench pieces

Re: How much would you be willing to shake up this team?
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2022, 09:36:04 AM »

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team doesn't need a massive shakeup but it definitely needs to add quality depth to the bench.  The last 5 slots on the 15 man roster are people fortunate to collect an NBA paycheck.  that needs to change.
- GWill, PP and White can provide quality minutes but they aren't doing it consistently.  White was the biggest offender in the finals, not because he didn't put up better numbers than PP or GWill but because he's a more experienced player that has not lived up to value we traded away to get him.
- Theis can contribute against some teams more than others.  I don't have an issue keeping him provided he's in Kornet's depth spot and someone better is in the one he's currently slotted.
- Nesmith - I give all rookies until their 3rd season until I expect to see them make meaningful contributions.  This is season 3 coming up.  he absolutely needs to get his shot in order.  He's a wreck from 3 but not nearly as bad inside the arc or on drives.  Kid hustles but needs to make that hustle more effective in the team's defensive scheme.
- overall, I'd like to see Brad use ALL the financial tools at his disposal to improve that bench --> an experienced PG that has a respectable outside shot and can run an offense, an athletic 4/5 that can defend and reduce Al's minutes and an athletic 3&D wing to give the J's some rest.

Re: How much would you be willing to shake up this team?
« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2022, 09:47:20 AM »

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I assume this means the Fournier TPE and the Tax Payer exemption for starters.


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Brad Stevens says ownership has given him the "Okay to do whatever we need to do."

Re: How much would you be willing to shake up this team?
« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2022, 09:55:34 AM »

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I assume this means the Fournier TPE and the Tax Payer exemption for starters.


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Jared Weiss @JaredWeissNBA now

Brad Stevens says ownership has given him the "Okay to do whatever we need to do."

I suspect that this is GM speak.  I'd be shocked if Wyc gave Brad an unlimited (or very minimally restricted) budget.  But, I'm happy to be proven wrong.


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Re: How much would you be willing to shake up this team?
« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2022, 10:06:03 AM »

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The C's need one more piece.  Someone to pick up the offensive slack when it's just not working with one of JB and JT.  If the C's had one more scorer it would have been a whole different series.  I don't think they need a star but they need someone who can come in off the bench and be a microwave scorer.  Someone who can average 15pts off the bench per night and blow up at any given point.  Someone like Jordan Pool was for the GSW this year.  The don't necessarily need to be a star on Defense.  Just someone who can hold their own and score at will.

They also need a young big to develop.  Al is gone after next year and that's a big gap to fill.  They also could use this young big this year to develop and rest Al.  I'd rather have Al fresh for the playoffs then play 30mpg for 75 regular season games. 

Re: How much would you be willing to shake up this team?
« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2022, 10:29:50 AM »

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The C's need one more piece.  Someone to pick up the offensive slack when it's just not working with one of JB and JT.  If the C's had one more scorer it would have been a whole different series.  I don't think they need a star but they need someone who can come in off the bench and be a microwave scorer.  Someone who can average 15pts off the bench per night and blow up at any given point.  Someone like Jordan Pool was for the GSW this year.  The don't necessarily need to be a star on Defense.  Just someone who can hold their own and score at will.

They also need a young big to develop.  Al is gone after next year and that's a big gap to fill.  They also could use this young big this year to develop and rest Al.  I'd rather have Al fresh for the playoffs then play 30mpg for 75 regular season games.

Yeah, if they filled those two holes I'd be happy.

I'm going to keep living in my fantasy where we get Harrison Barnes, Monte Morris and Josh Richardson, though.


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Re: How much would you be willing to shake up this team?
« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2022, 10:40:22 AM »

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No need to pursue a major shakeup. Get a solid wing piece that can be in your top 7 (Josh Hart, Kevin Huerter, Luke Kennard, Malik Beasley, Bogdan Bogdanovic, etc.) via the TPE and picks/Nesmith. Use the TMLE to add depth at the 5 spot (Javale? Hartenstein? Looney?).

Re: How much would you be willing to shake up this team?
« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2022, 10:40:38 AM »

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I assume this means the Fournier TPE and the Tax Payer exemption for starters.


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Jared Weiss @JaredWeissNBA now

Brad Stevens says ownership has given him the "Okay to do whatever we need to do."

I suspect that this is GM speak.  I'd be shocked if Wyc gave Brad an unlimited (or very minimally restricted) budget.  But, I'm happy to be proven wrong.
It is impossible for ownership to give Stevens an unlimited budget under the CBA.

Otherwise, despite your reservations, this is very good news.


Re: How much would you be willing to shake up this team?
« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2022, 11:08:37 AM »

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I assume this means the Fournier TPE and the Tax Payer exemption for starters.


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Jared Weiss @JaredWeissNBA now

Brad Stevens says ownership has given him the "Okay to do whatever we need to do."

I suspect that this is GM speak.  I'd be shocked if Wyc gave Brad an unlimited (or very minimally restricted) budget.  But, I'm happy to be proven wrong.
It is impossible for ownership to give Stevens an unlimited budget under the CBA.

Otherwise, despite your reservations, this is very good news.

Unlimited = let Brad spend as much as permitted under the CBA

That would include the Fournier TPE ($17.1 million); the Schroder TPE ($5.89 million); the Taxpayer MLE ($6.34 million); allowing Brad to make trades that bring back 125% + $100k of outgoing salary; and signing veterans to the minimum

Let's say that adds $33 million in salary.  Our current cap situation is reportedly about $7 million above the tax.  So, let's call it $40 million, not subject to the repeated tax.

The first $20 million of that would add $44.75 million in tax. 

Spending $25 million above the tax would be $44.75 million + $18.75 million = $63.5 million

$30 million above the tax would be $63.5 million + $21.25 million = $84.75 million

$35 million above the tax would be $84.75 million + $23.75 million = $108.5 million

$40 million above the tax would be $108.5 million + $26.25 million = $134.75 million

So, assuming a tax line of around $149 million, we'd spend $40 million beyond that in salaries, reaching $189 million.  We'd add roughly $135 million in tax.

That would put the team's expenditures at about $324 million.

Do you think Wyc has authorized a budget of $324 million?  If not, then Brad isn't telling the entire truth.


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Re: How much would you be willing to shake up this team?
« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2022, 11:17:43 AM »

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Chris Forsberg: Brad Stevens on offseason needs: “Little bit more scoring, consistent scoring off the bench, and I think we have some short-term needs there, but I believe in a couple of the guys that didn’t get to play as much, that they will improve.”

Hmm.  I wonder who the "couple" of guys who didn't get to play were.  Nesmith is obvious.  The rest of that bench is pure crap, with the possible exception of Hauser and Theis.

I'm going to hope that Brad isn't relying on Hauser, Theis and Nesmith to be our consistent scorers off the pine.


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Re: How much would you be willing to shake up this team?
« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2022, 11:21:42 AM »

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Chris Forsberg: Brad Stevens on offseason needs: “Little bit more scoring, consistent scoring off the bench, and I think we have some short-term needs there, but I believe in a couple of the guys that didn’t get to play as much, that they will improve.”

Hmm.  I wonder who the "couple" of guys who didn't get to play were.  Nesmith is obvious.  The rest of that bench is pure crap, with the possible exception of Hauser and Theis.

I'm going to hope that Brad isn't relying on Hauser, Theis and Nesmith to be our consistent scorers off the pine.

I think he's speaking about Pritchard, Nesmith, and Hauser. Pritchard played, but in a limited role. I bet they think he can be more consistent as a shooter/scorer/contributor. I would also bet that they still have hopes that one of Nesmith/Hauser can develop into a bench scorer/shooter with more development.

I certainly wouldn't rely on those improvements. I'd pursue veteran upgrades, and view the internal development of youth (especially Nesmith/Hauser) as gravy if it happens.