How much is Timelord's injury holding us back?

[JohnBoy65]

I wonder if we can force a game 7 do all restrictions go out the window? It'd be all or nothing, can Rob man up and give us 35 - 40 minutes with one game left in the season?

[Roy H.]

REDDIT podcast guy (Spoony) said our plus/minus with Rob this series is very high, with Al is very negative.   We need to find more minutes for Rob, don't know if his body can take it.  Fewer for Al.  When they play together, plus/minus is only slightly plus.

Yeah, I'm not smart enough to say what the best lineup in this series would be.  I do know that the Celts have been very good with Rob in the game, even while he's hobbling around out there.  If he was at full strength, I think we'd be killing them.

In two regular season games, his plus-minus was +21 over two games against the Warriors.  We're +31 in the Finals with him, including +17 in the last two losses. 

I really don't understand people who argue Rob isn't a good fit against the Warriors.  If that's true, it's certainly not reflected on the scoreboard.  The team has outplayed the Warriors with a gimpy Timelord.  With a healthy DPOY-candidate and lob factory Williams, we'd be crushing them.

[wiley]

REDDIT podcast guy (Spoony) said our plus/minus with Rob this series is very high, with Al is very negative.   We need to find more minutes for Rob, don't know if his body can take it.  Fewer for Al.  When they play together, plus/minus is only slightly plus.

Yeah, I'm not smart enough to say what the best lineup in this series would be.  I do know that the Celts have been very good with Rob in the game, even while he's hobbling around out there.  If he was at full strength, I think we'd be killing them.

In two regular season games, his plus-minus was +21 over two games against the Warriors.  We're +31 in the Finals with him, including +17 in the last two losses. 

I really don't understand people who argue Rob isn't a good fit against the Warriors.  If that's true, it's certainly not reflected on the scoreboard.  The team has outplayed the Warriors with a gimpy Timelord.  With a healthy DPOY-candidate and lob factory Williams, we'd be crushing them.

Yeah, plus when Rob is fully healthy the Celtics play with confident, reckless abdondon....they become a group swarm.  With him slowed down there is less trust happening and more walking on eggshells, concern for mistakes, etc..

[KG Living Legend]

REDDIT podcast guy (Spoony) said our plus/minus with Rob this series is very high, with Al is very negative.   We need to find more minutes for Rob, don't know if his body can take it.  Fewer for Al.  When they play together, plus/minus is only slightly plus.

Yeah, I'm not smart enough to say what the best lineup in this series would be.  I do know that the Celts have been very good with Rob in the game, even while he's hobbling around out there.  If he was at full strength, I think we'd be killing them.

In two regular season games, his plus-minus was +21 over two games against the Warriors.  We're +31 in the Finals with him, including +17 in the last two losses. 

I really don't understand people who argue Rob isn't a good fit against the Warriors.  If that's true, it's certainly not reflected on the scoreboard.  The team has outplayed the Warriors with a gimpy Timelord.  With a healthy DPOY-candidate and lob factory Williams, we'd be crushing them.

 Pretty simple.

Timelord
Grant
Tatum
Brown
Smart

Or

Timelord
Tatum
Brown
Smart
White

[Roy H.]

REDDIT podcast guy (Spoony) said our plus/minus with Rob this series is very high, with Al is very negative.   We need to find more minutes for Rob, don't know if his body can take it.  Fewer for Al.  When they play together, plus/minus is only slightly plus.

Yeah, I'm not smart enough to say what the best lineup in this series would be.  I do know that the Celts have been very good with Rob in the game, even while he's hobbling around out there.  If he was at full strength, I think we'd be killing them.

In two regular season games, his plus-minus was +21 over two games against the Warriors.  We're +31 in the Finals with him, including +17 in the last two losses. 

I really don't understand people who argue Rob isn't a good fit against the Warriors.  If that's true, it's certainly not reflected on the scoreboard.  The team has outplayed the Warriors with a gimpy Timelord.  With a healthy DPOY-candidate and lob factory Williams, we'd be crushing them.

 Pretty simple.

Timelord
Grant
Tatum
Brown
Smart

Or

Timelord
Tatum
Brown
Smart
White

Maybe, maybe not.  Al has been our best defender in the playoffs.  Do we can anything by benching him?

[KG Living Legend]

REDDIT podcast guy (Spoony) said our plus/minus with Rob this series is very high, with Al is very negative.   We need to find more minutes for Rob, don't know if his body can take it.  Fewer for Al.  When they play together, plus/minus is only slightly plus.

Yeah, I'm not smart enough to say what the best lineup in this series would be.  I do know that the Celts have been very good with Rob in the game, even while he's hobbling around out there.  If he was at full strength, I think we'd be killing them.

In two regular season games, his plus-minus was +21 over two games against the Warriors.  We're +31 in the Finals with him, including +17 in the last two losses. 

I really don't understand people who argue Rob isn't a good fit against the Warriors.  If that's true, it's certainly not reflected on the scoreboard.  The team has outplayed the Warriors with a gimpy Timelord.  With a healthy DPOY-candidate and lob factory Williams, we'd be crushing them.

 Pretty simple.

Timelord
Grant
Tatum
Brown
Smart

Or

Timelord
Tatum
Brown
Smart
White

Maybe, maybe not.  Al has been our best defender in the playoffs.  Do we can anything by benching him?

 Do we gain anything I think you meant?

Yes. He's been extremely gassed.  Amazing run for Big Al but if he can't get his legs back I think he's hurting us.

 We went from seven guys Ime could trust to six with Al playing bad lately.

[Roy H.]

Good article on what Timelord has been dealing with, including having his knee drained multiple times:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sources-the-lengths-robert-williams-iii-has-gone-to-play-in-2022-nba-playoffs-including-having-knee-drained-215219133.html

[SparzWizard]

"Celtics told Timelord that playing through knee injury won't make knee worse" but Isaiah Thomas tweeted that he's heard that before lol.

IT4 throwing shades and diss at the Celtics medical staff. Happened with IT, Kemba, and now Timelord playing through it. Hope future free agents don't look at this to decide whether they want to play for Boston or not

[radiohead]

"Celtics told Timelord that playing through knee injury won't make knee worse" but Isaiah Thomas tweeted that he's heard that before lol.

IT4 throwing shades and diss at the Celtics medical staff. Happened with IT, Kemba, and now Timelord playing through it. Hope future free agents don't look at this to decide whether they want to play for Boston or not

I really don’t get this with IT. When he was a free agent, he was openly campaigning for a return with the Celtics right? Now he’s throwing shade at the organization once again.

[Roy H.]

"Celtics told Timelord that playing through knee injury won't make knee worse" but Isaiah Thomas tweeted that he's heard that before lol.

IT4 throwing shades and diss at the Celtics medical staff. Happened with IT, Kemba, and now Timelord playing through it. Hope future free agents don't look at this to decide whether they want to play for Boston or not

I really don’t get this with IT. When he was a free agent, he was openly campaigning for a return with the Celtics right? Now he’s throwing shade at the organization once again.

I am pretty sure that Brad said last year that we won't be signing IT, pretty much ever.  I can understand IT having some resentment toward the Celtics doctors, who allegedly initially misdiagnosed IT's injury, and then encouraged him to play through pain.  IT lost tens of millions of dollars by putting his health on the line, and the organization's response was to first trade him, and then not invite him back even on a 10-day contract.  I don't fault the Celtics, but I also don't blame IT for his feelings.

[jambr380]

"Celtics told Timelord that playing through knee injury won't make knee worse" but Isaiah Thomas tweeted that he's heard that before lol.

IT4 throwing shades and diss at the Celtics medical staff. Happened with IT, Kemba, and now Timelord playing through it. Hope future free agents don't look at this to decide whether they want to play for Boston or not

I really don’t get this with IT. When he was a free agent, he was openly campaigning for a return with the Celtics right? Now he’s throwing shade at the organization once again.

I am pretty sure that Brad said last year that we won't be signing IT, pretty much ever.  I can understand IT having some resentment toward the Celtics doctors, who allegedly initially misdiagnosed IT's injury, and then encouraged him to play through pain.  IT lost tens of millions of dollars by putting his health on the line, and the organization's response was to first trade him, and then not invite him back even on a 10-day contract.  I don't fault the Celtics, but I also don't blame IT for his feelings.

It was my understanding that IT's hip was degenerative. Sure, he played his heart out for the team, but he was also looking for a big pay day at the time. Did he do irreparable damage during this time or was it more like Kemba in that it was going to happen no matter what? I thought it was the latter.

And, sure, I guess I get how IT feels, but it's not like we sent him off to Minnesota. He had an opportunity to win a Title with the Cavs. It really sucks how his career turned out, but I don't really feel bad for him. He still has generational wealth to fall back on.

I also wish he would just be quiet. I honestly think one of the reasons we haven't signed him to even a 10 day contract is to maintain his reputation as a hero in Boston and these types of comments don't help.

[RockinRyA]

Ehhh it's the careless turnovers that's killing the Celtics. Williams is fine it's just that he's not the greatest fit depending on the Warriors' lineup.

Wdym not the greatest fit. The numbers show otherwise

[Kuberski33]

Where I Williams or his agent, I would make [dang] sure I had an independemt medical evaluation done. I wouldn't trust the Celtics or any NBA team for that matter because their interests are not necessarily mine. That's not to say I think the C's are purposely taking advantage of the situation. Rob just signed a new deal so his long term health is in their interest as well.

However long before IT, Kevin McHale kept playing through the playoffs on a broken foot that the C's team doctor said wouldn't cause any long term problem. He was never the same player and that summer the Celtics hired a new team doctor.