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Calling All Capologists
« on: June 08, 2022, 03:51:24 PM »

Offline Ed Monix

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In theory, with the Celtics 17 million trade exception (Fournier), is it possible to trade for Gordon Hayward, before the exception expires?

Celtics: Hayward

Hornets: Nesmith, Theis, cap filler, pick(s)

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I know most would be tired of hearing about Hayward.

Not factoring in the non-starter of Wyc’s cheapness, there is validity to getting Hayward back.

Unfortunately, Hayward will never be the central focus of a team. If he ever comes to terms with that, why not come back to the Celtics? He’s obviously very close with Brad Stevens, Al Horford and I have read reports of his children missing Boston.

In either a reduced starting role or as a 6th man, Hayward could still return to being an all-star, it’s a byproduct of success. I also believe that Udoka has altered Tatum & Brown’s view on ball movement, something that was an obvious issue for Hayward doing his previous Celtics tenure.

IMO, Hayward is the missing piece to the Celtics offence. The core is lacking a playmaker in key moments, and thus the high turnovers.

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Re: Calling All Salary Capologist’s
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2022, 04:23:47 PM »

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No, a player has to fit completely within the exception on its own.  The league gives $100k wiggle room, but that’s it.  You can’t “match” salaries by combining exceptions, or combining exceptions and players, etc.


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Re: Calling All Salary Capologist’s
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2022, 04:28:51 PM »

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No, a player has to fit completely within the exception on its own.  The league gives $100k wiggle room, but that’s it.  You can’t “match” salaries by combining exceptions, or combining exceptions and players, etc.

Ahhh way to break my heart Roy, with your ‘facts’ and ‘knowledge’.

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Re: Calling All Capologists
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2022, 04:47:45 PM »

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In theory, with the Celtics 17 million trade exception (Fournier), is it possible to trade for Gordon Hayward, before the exception expires?

Celtics: Hayward

Hornets: Nesmith, Theis, cap filler, pick(s)

—————————

I know most would be tired of hearing about Hayward.

Not factoring in the non-starter of Wyc’s cheapness, there is validity to getting Hayward back.

Unfortunately, Hayward will never be the central focus of a team. If he ever comes to terms with that, why not come back to the Celtics? He’s obviously very close with Brad Stevens, Al Horford and I have read reports of his children missing Boston.

In either a reduced starting role or as a 6th man, Hayward could still return to being an all-star, it’s a byproduct of success. I also believe that Udoka has altered Tatum & Brown’s view on ball movement, something that was an obvious issue for Hayward doing his previous Celtics tenure.

IMO, Hayward is the missing piece to the Celtics offence. The core is lacking a playmaker in key moments, and thus the high turnovers.

Dunno. Think we need a good PF as protection for Al and TL.

Maybe send off the exception, Grant, and a 1st for someone good? Also need a vet SF. Maybe get someone who can play both positions and kill two birds with one stone.

But yeah, anyone getting traded for the TPE needs to fit entirely within it. So Hayward is out.

Re: Calling All Capologists
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2022, 06:18:07 PM »

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In theory, with the Celtics 17 million trade exception (Fournier), is it possible to trade for Gordon Hayward, before the exception expires?

Celtics: Hayward

Hornets: Nesmith, Theis, cap filler, pick(s)

—————————

I know most would be tired of hearing about Hayward.

Not factoring in the non-starter of Wyc’s cheapness, there is validity to getting Hayward back.

Unfortunately, Hayward will never be the central focus of a team. If he ever comes to terms with that, why not come back to the Celtics? He’s obviously very close with Brad Stevens, Al Horford and I have read reports of his children missing Boston.

In either a reduced starting role or as a 6th man, Hayward could still return to being an all-star, it’s a byproduct of success. I also believe that Udoka has altered Tatum & Brown’s view on ball movement, something that was an obvious issue for Hayward doing his previous Celtics tenure.

IMO, Hayward is the missing piece to the Celtics offence. The core is lacking a playmaker in key moments, and thus the high turnovers.

Dunno. Think we need a good PF as protection for Al and TL.

Maybe send off the exception, Grant, and a 1st for someone good? Also need a vet SF. Maybe get someone who can play both positions and kill two birds with one stone.

But yeah, anyone getting traded for the TPE needs to fit entirely within it. So Hayward is out.

John Collins' name continues to circulate as potentially being on the block

Re: Calling All Capologists
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2022, 06:24:07 PM »

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In theory, with the Celtics 17 million trade exception (Fournier), is it possible to trade for Gordon Hayward, before the exception expires?

Celtics: Hayward

Hornets: Nesmith, Theis, cap filler, pick(s)

—————————

I know most would be tired of hearing about Hayward.

Not factoring in the non-starter of Wyc’s cheapness, there is validity to getting Hayward back.

Unfortunately, Hayward will never be the central focus of a team. If he ever comes to terms with that, why not come back to the Celtics? He’s obviously very close with Brad Stevens, Al Horford and I have read reports of his children missing Boston.

In either a reduced starting role or as a 6th man, Hayward could still return to being an all-star, it’s a byproduct of success. I also believe that Udoka has altered Tatum & Brown’s view on ball movement, something that was an obvious issue for Hayward doing his previous Celtics tenure.

IMO, Hayward is the missing piece to the Celtics offence. The core is lacking a playmaker in key moments, and thus the high turnovers.

Dunno. Think we need a good PF as protection for Al and TL.

Maybe send off the exception, Grant, and a 1st for someone good? Also need a vet SF. Maybe get someone who can play both positions and kill two birds with one stone.

But yeah, anyone getting traded for the TPE needs to fit entirely within it. So Hayward is out.

John Collins' name continues to circulate as potentially being on the block

Get him Brad!
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Re: Calling All Capologists
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In theory, with the Celtics 17 million trade exception (Fournier), is it possible to trade for Gordon Hayward, before the exception expires?

Celtics: Hayward

Hornets: Nesmith, Theis, cap filler, pick(s)

—————————

I know most would be tired of hearing about Hayward.

Not factoring in the non-starter of Wyc’s cheapness, there is validity to getting Hayward back.

Unfortunately, Hayward will never be the central focus of a team. If he ever comes to terms with that, why not come back to the Celtics? He’s obviously very close with Brad Stevens, Al Horford and I have read reports of his children missing Boston.

In either a reduced starting role or as a 6th man, Hayward could still return to being an all-star, it’s a byproduct of success. I also believe that Udoka has altered Tatum & Brown’s view on ball movement, something that was an obvious issue for Hayward doing his previous Celtics tenure.

IMO, Hayward is the missing piece to the Celtics offence. The core is lacking a playmaker in key moments, and thus the high turnovers.

Dunno. Think we need a good PF as protection for Al and TL.

Maybe send off the exception, Grant, and a 1st for someone good? Also need a vet SF. Maybe get someone who can play both positions and kill two birds with one stone.

But yeah, anyone getting traded for the TPE needs to fit entirely within it. So Hayward is out.

John Collins' name continues to circulate as potentially being on the block

Get him Brad!

He doesn't fit the TPE, and basically would take every non-starters contract to match his (unless you're including White).

He also doesn't fit with our defense-first philosophy.

Re: Calling All Capologists
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2022, 07:42:31 PM »

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In theory, with the Celtics 17 million trade exception (Fournier), is it possible to trade for Gordon Hayward, before the exception expires?

Celtics: Hayward

Hornets: Nesmith, Theis, cap filler, pick(s)

—————————

I know most would be tired of hearing about Hayward.

Not factoring in the non-starter of Wyc’s cheapness, there is validity to getting Hayward back.

Unfortunately, Hayward will never be the central focus of a team. If he ever comes to terms with that, why not come back to the Celtics? He’s obviously very close with Brad Stevens, Al Horford and I have read reports of his children missing Boston.

In either a reduced starting role or as a 6th man, Hayward could still return to being an all-star, it’s a byproduct of success. I also believe that Udoka has altered Tatum & Brown’s view on ball movement, something that was an obvious issue for Hayward doing his previous Celtics tenure.

IMO, Hayward is the missing piece to the Celtics offence. The core is lacking a playmaker in key moments, and thus the high turnovers.

Dunno. Think we need a good PF as protection for Al and TL.

Maybe send off the exception, Grant, and a 1st for someone good? Also need a vet SF. Maybe get someone who can play both positions and kill two birds with one stone.

But yeah, anyone getting traded for the TPE needs to fit entirely within it. So Hayward is out.

John Collins' name continues to circulate as potentially being on the block

Get him Brad!

He doesn't fit the TPE, and basically would take every non-starters contract to match his (unless you're including White).

He also doesn't fit with our defense-first philosophy.

Never mind!
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Re: Calling All Capologists
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2022, 07:55:37 PM »

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In theory, with the Celtics 17 million trade exception (Fournier), is it possible to trade for Gordon Hayward, before the exception expires?

Celtics: Hayward

Hornets: Nesmith, Theis, cap filler, pick(s)

—————————

I know most would be tired of hearing about Hayward.

Not factoring in the non-starter of Wyc’s cheapness, there is validity to getting Hayward back.

Unfortunately, Hayward will never be the central focus of a team. If he ever comes to terms with that, why not come back to the Celtics? He’s obviously very close with Brad Stevens, Al Horford and I have read reports of his children missing Boston.

In either a reduced starting role or as a 6th man, Hayward could still return to being an all-star, it’s a byproduct of success. I also believe that Udoka has altered Tatum & Brown’s view on ball movement, something that was an obvious issue for Hayward doing his previous Celtics tenure.

IMO, Hayward is the missing piece to the Celtics offence. The core is lacking a playmaker in key moments, and thus the high turnovers.

Dunno. Think we need a good PF as protection for Al and TL.

Maybe send off the exception, Grant, and a 1st for someone good? Also need a vet SF. Maybe get someone who can play both positions and kill two birds with one stone.

But yeah, anyone getting traded for the TPE needs to fit entirely within it. So Hayward is out.

John Collins' name continues to circulate as potentially being on the block

Get him Brad!

He doesn't fit the TPE, and basically would take every non-starters contract to match his (unless you're including White).

He also doesn't fit with our defense-first philosophy.

Never mind!
Wendell Carter would be absolutely ideal if we're looking long-term. Not sure how available he is, but I would love to get him to replace Al long-term.
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PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
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Re: Calling All Capologists
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2022, 08:10:28 PM »

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I think the way to go is to add a useful player or two on expiring contracts.  If things don’t work out, trade them at the deadline in a deal for Barnes, Collins or whoever else might be available.


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Re: Calling All Capologists
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I think the way to go is to add a useful player or two on expiring contracts.  If things don’t work out, trade them at the deadline in a deal for Barnes, Collins or whoever else might be available.
Barnes would be perfect. I like the idea you propose here, but nobody springs to mind immediately
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Re: Calling All Capologists
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2022, 09:21:53 PM »

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I think the way to go is to add a useful player or two on expiring contracts.  If things don’t work out, trade them at the deadline in a deal for Barnes, Collins or whoever else might be available.
Barnes would be perfect. I like the idea you propose here, but nobody springs to mind immediately

My thought:

Trade for Richardson and Green, if the cost is second rounders.  Give them until January or February to showcase themselves. 

If they're a great fit, consider keeping them.  If they're not what we need, trade Green ($4.5 million) and Richardson ($12.2 million) together to bring back a player making up to around $20.9 million.  Barnes would fit nicely.  Add Nesmith and we could take back over $25 million. 


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Re: Calling All Capologists
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2022, 09:30:49 PM »

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As I've consistently stated, I think Christian Wood should be the target.  Fits in the TPE, is available, and would be a great fit offensively.  Defensively needs work, but he has the physical tools to be at least an average defender.
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Re: Calling All Capologists
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As I've consistently stated, I think Christian Wood should be the target.  Fits in the TPE, is available, and would be a great fit offensively.  Defensively needs work, but he has the physical tools to be at least an average defender.
He’s got a nice offensive game but his motor/maturity leave a lot to be desired.

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« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2022, 11:50:56 PM »

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As I've consistently stated, I think Christian Wood should be the target.  Fits in the TPE, is available, and would be a great fit offensively.  Defensively needs work, but he has the physical tools to be at least an average defender.
He’s got a nice offensive game but his motor/maturity leave a lot to be desired.
I think he'd be excellent as a first guy off the bench to give us some offence, especially as JT is often first off the floor. Not sure how he'd go in our switching scheme
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PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
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PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
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