Is it fair to criticize Ben Simmons?

[Moranis]

Perhaps they are saying the mental block is causing him to do things physically that may have lead to the back injury.  That said, a mental block is often not the result of an actual mental health illness, disease, disorder, condition, etc.  Certainly could be, but often they are not, which again leads back to the phrasing, statements, and actions being used by Simmons and his team.

[SparzWizard]

Do I feel bad about Ben Simmons for all this? No. Not one bit. I will never forget that he robbed Jayson Tatum of ROTY that one year.

He deserves all the criticisms and backlash he can possibly get. Quitting on both the 76ers and Nets. Back injury complaint when your team needed you the most? Pathetic. And about him and working with Rich Paul? He doesn't have to be stuck with that agent right. So he should still feel criticized for it. We know how much of a punk Rich Paul is...remember Anthony Davis fiasco.

[celticsclay]

It will be interesting to see what happens with rich Paul. He has embarrassed himself not knowing the cba on this and on the heels of not confirming basic job duties for noel. His client list is heavily tied to older stars (draymond, Bledsoe, wall) or players that have ties to Lebron (Lebron, waiters, Tristan Thompson, jr smith, kcp). He does have a few young stars like Anthony edwards, bridges, maxey and lonzo ball. I really do see his influence waning the next few years as he has more missteps abs Lebron retires

[pokeKingCurtis]

It will be interesting to see what happens with rich Paul. He has embarrassed himself not knowing the cba on this and on the heels of not confirming basic job duties for noel. His client list is heavily tied to older stars (draymond, Bledsoe, wall) or players that have ties to Lebron (Lebron, waiters, Tristan Thompson, jr smith, kcp). He does have a few young stars like Anthony edwards, bridges, maxey and lonzo ball. I really do see his influence waning the next few years as he has more missteps abs Lebron retires

I mean, he made bank already I'd imagine?

[celticsclay]

It will be interesting to see what happens with rich Paul. He has embarrassed himself not knowing the cba on this and on the heels of not confirming basic job duties for noel. His client list is heavily tied to older stars (draymond, Bledsoe, wall) or players that have ties to Lebron (Lebron, waiters, Tristan Thompson, jr smith, kcp). He does have a few young stars like Anthony edwards, bridges, maxey and lonzo ball. I really do see his influence waning the next few years as he has more missteps abs Lebron retires

I mean, he made bank already I'd imagine?

Oh I mean he absolutely made money. No debating that. Just imagining he planned on becoming THE agent for the next 25 years abs I don’t see that Happening now. Hope I’m right

[celticsclay]

It will be interesting to see what happens with rich Paul. He has embarrassed himself not knowing the cba on this and on the heels of not confirming basic job duties for noel. His client list is heavily tied to older stars (draymond, Bledsoe, wall) or players that have ties to Lebron (Lebron, waiters, Tristan Thompson, jr smith, kcp). He does have a few young stars like Anthony edwards, bridges, maxey and lonzo ball. I really do see his influence waning the next few years as he has more missteps abs Lebron retires

I mean, he made bank already I'd imagine?

Oh I mean he absolutely made money. No debating that. Just imagining he planned on becoming THE agent for the next 25 years abs I don’t see that Happening now. Hope I’m right

[Surferdad]

Perhaps they are saying the mental block is causing him to do things physically that may have lead to the back injury.  That said, a mental block is often not the result of an actual mental health illness, disease, disorder, condition, etc.  Certainly could be, but often they are not, which again leads back to the phrasing, statements, and actions being used by Simmons and his team.

Good post and I agree overall, but the bolded is not my understanding.  I heard that the mental 'block' or whatever he has led directly to the back injury.  Exactly how that occurs is unclear.

[liam]

Perhaps they are saying the mental block is causing him to do things physically that may have lead to the back injury.  That said, a mental block is often not the result of an actual mental health illness, disease, disorder, condition, etc.  Certainly could be, but often they are not, which again leads back to the phrasing, statements, and actions being used by Simmons and his team.

Good post and I agree overall, but the bolded is not my understanding.  I heard that the mental 'block' or whatever he has led directly to the back injury.  Exactly how that occurs is unclear.

Mind body connection.

[radiohead]

https://youtu.be/DJLXgGCBixY

Fast forward to 7:45. So apparently Ben told the Nets that he doesn’t want to play basketball in the near future, until he sorts things out. Wow. So what happens if he skips another year? Do the Nets have to pay him? Will other teams take a chance if the Nets decide to trade him? This could end up being real messy.

[Roy H.]

https://youtu.be/DJLXgGCBixY

Fast forward to 7:45. So apparently Ben told the Nets that he doesn’t want to play basketball in the near future, until he sorts things out. Wow. So what happens if he skips another year? Do the Nets have to pay him? Will other teams take a chance if the Nets decide to trade him? This could end up being real messy.

If it's a legit medical issue -- and mental health would seemingly qualify -- then he should still be paid under his guaranteed contract.

I think the NBA probably has to clarify things like this in the next CBA.  I don't know all the ins and outs of contracts; do the Nets have the right to review his mental health treatment records?  If it's akin to a physical injury, I would assume they have some rights there, although they can't necessarily dictate the course of treatment.

If he sat out the entire year, in conjunction with this past year, I think the team could probably ask for a "Fitness to Play" panel to review Simmons' case:  http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q62

[SDceltGuy]

https://youtu.be/DJLXgGCBixY

Fast forward to 7:45. So apparently Ben told the Nets that he doesn’t want to play basketball in the near future, until he sorts things out. Wow. So what happens if he skips another year? Do the Nets have to pay him? Will other teams take a chance if the Nets decide to trade him? This could end up being real messy.

If it's a legit medical issue -- and mental health would seemingly qualify -- then he should still be paid under his guaranteed contract.

I think the NBA probably has to clarify things like this in the next CBA.  I don't know all the ins and outs of contracts; do the Nets have the right to review his mental health treatment records?  If it's akin to a physical injury, I would assume they have some rights there, although they can't necessarily dictate the course of treatment.

If he sat out the entire year, in conjunction with this past year, I think the team could probably ask for a "Fitness to Play" panel to review Simmons' case:  http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q62

This is a dangerous precedent.  I am stressed so I'm not going to play - but you still have to pay me my millions.  You cant run a business like that.   

[pokeKingCurtis]

https://youtu.be/DJLXgGCBixY

Fast forward to 7:45. So apparently Ben told the Nets that he doesn’t want to play basketball in the near future, until he sorts things out. Wow. So what happens if he skips another year? Do the Nets have to pay him? Will other teams take a chance if the Nets decide to trade him? This could end up being real messy.

If it's a legit medical issue -- and mental health would seemingly qualify -- then he should still be paid under his guaranteed contract.

I think the NBA probably has to clarify things like this in the next CBA.  I don't know all the ins and outs of contracts; do the Nets have the right to review his mental health treatment records?  If it's akin to a physical injury, I would assume they have some rights there, although they can't necessarily dictate the course of treatment.

If he sat out the entire year, in conjunction with this past year, I think the team could probably ask for a "Fitness to Play" panel to review Simmons' case:  http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q62

This is a dangerous precedent.  I am stressed so I'm not going to play - but you still have to pay me my millions.  You cant run a business like that.

Presumably you need to have a proper doctors note

[Goldstar88]

https://youtu.be/DJLXgGCBixY

Fast forward to 7:45. So apparently Ben told the Nets that he doesn’t want to play basketball in the near future, until he sorts things out. Wow. So what happens if he skips another year? Do the Nets have to pay him? Will other teams take a chance if the Nets decide to trade him? This could end up being real messy.

Let’s rewind 5 days…. Does this sound like someone that needs to step away from basketball? Directly from the horses mouth:

Brooklyn Nets' Ben Simmons 'very hopeful' to play in Game 4 vs. the Boston Celtics on Monday night.

NEW YORK -- Brooklyn Nets swingman Ben Simmons continues to make progress from a back injury but likely won't play in Game 3 on Saturday against the Boston Celtics, though he said it was "reasonable" to think he would play in Game 4 on Monday if he comes through the next couple of days of workouts without any issue and he was "very hopeful" to play at some point in the series.

"It's literally day to day," Simmons said Friday after practice. "So I've had plenty of great days, which has been great for me in building up. So we're just trying to put those great days together and just keep building up to get back on the floor and play at that high level. ... If I could play right now, I'd be on the court. So it is what it is."

Simmons said he has gotten two or three scrimmage days under his belt and expects to get at least one more in on Saturday, but both he and Nets coach Steve Nash are unsure exactly what kind of impact he'll be able to have if he does play in this series.

"We'll find out," Simmons said. "It's a good challenge, but I'm looking forward to it. Especially playing with these guys. I think for me, my IQ's so high, to play with guys like Ky [Irving] and Seth [Curry] and Kev [Durant]. Just watching them, I know how they play, I know how they want to play. And for me to just get them in their spots and be a floor general, it's exciting. I'm looking forward to it."

Simmons demurred when asked if he would still try to come back if the Nets lose Game 3 and go down 0-3 to the Celtics, saying he didn't want to discuss "if's."

Simmons noted that while he is still building up strength in his back, he also has had to do so in his legs.

"When you have an injury like this, your whole leg is affected," Simmons said. "So it's going to take time to loosen these muscles and get back on the floor, but it's day to day. So it's treatment every day, pilates, workouts and just stay on top of it."

Simmons said it would be up to Nash and the rest of the coaching staff regarding how many minutes he might be able to play, but remained outwardly optimistic that he would be able to fit in well with a team with which he has yet to play a minute.

"I'll fit in," Simmons said. "I'm not worried about that."


https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/brooklyn-nets-ben-simmons-hopeful-play-game-boston/story?id=84249033

[Roy H.]

https://youtu.be/DJLXgGCBixY

Fast forward to 7:45. So apparently Ben told the Nets that he doesn’t want to play basketball in the near future, until he sorts things out. Wow. So what happens if he skips another year? Do the Nets have to pay him? Will other teams take a chance if the Nets decide to trade him? This could end up being real messy.

If it's a legit medical issue -- and mental health would seemingly qualify -- then he should still be paid under his guaranteed contract.

I think the NBA probably has to clarify things like this in the next CBA.  I don't know all the ins and outs of contracts; do the Nets have the right to review his mental health treatment records?  If it's akin to a physical injury, I would assume they have some rights there, although they can't necessarily dictate the course of treatment.

If he sat out the entire year, in conjunction with this past year, I think the team could probably ask for a "Fitness to Play" panel to review Simmons' case:  http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q62

This is a dangerous precedent.  I am stressed so I'm not going to play - but you still have to pay me my millions.  You cant run a business like that.

Presumably you need to have a proper doctors note

In my mind, I picture Rich Paul scrawling a sick note for Simmons.  "Ben is feeling under the weather and can stay home from the game today".

[ozgod]

https://youtu.be/DJLXgGCBixY

Fast forward to 7:45. So apparently Ben told the Nets that he doesn’t want to play basketball in the near future, until he sorts things out. Wow. So what happens if he skips another year? Do the Nets have to pay him? Will other teams take a chance if the Nets decide to trade him? This could end up being real messy.

If it's a legit medical issue -- and mental health would seemingly qualify -- then he should still be paid under his guaranteed contract.

I think the NBA probably has to clarify things like this in the next CBA.  I don't know all the ins and outs of contracts; do the Nets have the right to review his mental health treatment records?  If it's akin to a physical injury, I would assume they have some rights there, although they can't necessarily dictate the course of treatment.

If he sat out the entire year, in conjunction with this past year, I think the team could probably ask for a "Fitness to Play" panel to review Simmons' case:  http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q62

This is a dangerous precedent.  I am stressed so I'm not going to play - but you still have to pay me my millions.  You cant run a business like that.

Presumably you need to have a proper doctors note

In my mind, I picture Rich Paul scrawling a sick note for Simmons.  "Ben is feeling under the weather and can stay home from the game today".

On that note, this whole clip, starring the Nets, is funny (any shade throwing between KD and Charles always is) but the very end of it is hilarious 



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