Celtics Team Vaccination status

[Vermont Green]

I was critical of the team for not playing the starters and then not having RWil either for the game in Toronto.  I was chided for not realizing how important rest was.  It never occurred to me that this may be the result of vaccination status.  This was likely never about rest.  We lost a game over vaccine status.

It seems now that likely Horford and Brown were not vaccinated and couldn't make the trip.  Tatum has said earlier that he was vaccinated so I am not sure what the deal was with him.  Seems a strange game to rest him when we were otherwise so short handed.

I think this has already detracted from the team.  We have a loss that we didn't need to lose.  It may not make any difference in the end but we were on an absolute role as a team.  Bottom line is that we have lost 2 in a row.  We don't need this kind of unnecessary, avoidable distraction.

I think both of JB and JT legitimately needed rest.  Both have been experiencing knee pain.

And, we don't know what the personal issue Horford was dealing with, but is it unfair to think that it took two days instead of one?  If it was a ruse related to vaccination status, why not play the prior game?

I don't know what Horford's personal reason was and I don't know what particular ailments Brown and Tatum had but it doesn't appear that is was anything too serious.  To me it is very unusual to rest two young players just because it was a back to back and if that turns out to be the only reason, then I will continue to be critical.  We messed with our mojo.  We should have treated the game like a playoff game in my opinion.  That isn't to say you treat every game all season that way but at this particular point in the season and with us playing so well, there was no reason to rest BOTH Brown and Tatum and essentially concede the game.

Based on what has been coming out, I now don't believe this was about rest.  If players were unvaccinated and this resulted in them not being able to play in this game, then this is on them.  And they had better work really hard to get the mojo back.  This has hurt the team, or at least distracted the team, in more ways than just one more loss.

[CelticsWhat35]

Brad Stevens on Toucher and Rich:



https://985thesportshub.com/episodes/celtics-president-of-basketball-operations-brad-stevens-the-stack-4-1-hour-4/

So, yeah, that pretty much confirms that we've got at least one unvaccinated guy.

I would tend to agree with you.  However, I believe Schroeder and/or Richardson were unvaccinated.  They may have made the decision not to comment on it at the beginning of the year and figure it’s better to just stay with the same stance than to change your tune after the circumstances changed. 

[GetLucky]

I was critical of the team for not playing the starters and then not having RWil either for the game in Toronto.  I was chided for not realizing how important rest was.  It never occurred to me that this may be the result of vaccination status.  This was likely never about rest.  We lost a game over vaccine status.

It seems now that likely Horford and Brown were not vaccinated and couldn't make the trip.  Tatum has said earlier that he was vaccinated so I am not sure what the deal was with him.  Seems a strange game to rest him when we were otherwise so short handed.

I think this has already detracted from the team.  We have a loss that we didn't need to lose.  It may not make any difference in the end but we were on an absolute role as a team.  Bottom line is that we have lost 2 in a row.  We don't need this kind of unnecessary, avoidable distraction.

I think both of JB and JT legitimately needed rest.  Both have been experiencing knee pain.

And, we don't know what the personal issue Horford was dealing with, but is it unfair to think that it took two days instead of one?  If it was a ruse related to vaccination status, why not play the prior game?

I don't know what Horford's personal reason was and I don't know what particular ailments Brown and Tatum had but it doesn't appear that is was anything too serious.  To me it is very unusual to rest two young players just because it was a back to back and if that turns out to be the only reason, then I will continue to be critical.  We messed with our mojo.  We should have treated the game like a playoff game in my opinion.  That isn't to say you treat every game all season that way but at this particular point in the season and with us playing so well, there was no reason to rest BOTH Brown and Tatum and essentially concede the game.

Based on what has been coming out, I now don't believe this was about rest.  If players were unvaccinated and this resulted in them not being able to play in this game, then this is on them.  And they had better work really hard to get the mojo back.  This has hurt the team, or at least distracted the team, in more ways than just one more loss.

Horford’s sister was getting married.

[Goldstar88]

I was critical of the team for not playing the starters and then not having RWil either for the game in Toronto.  I was chided for not realizing how important rest was.  It never occurred to me that this may be the result of vaccination status.  This was likely never about rest.  We lost a game over vaccine status.

It seems now that likely Horford and Brown were not vaccinated and couldn't make the trip.  Tatum has said earlier that he was vaccinated so I am not sure what the deal was with him.  Seems a strange game to rest him when we were otherwise so short handed.

I think this has already detracted from the team.  We have a loss that we didn't need to lose.  It may not make any difference in the end but we were on an absolute role as a team.  Bottom line is that we have lost 2 in a row.  We don't need this kind of unnecessary, avoidable distraction.

Al stated that should the Celtics face the Raptors in the playoffs, he will be eligible to play in Toronto.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.boston.com/sports/morning-sports-update/2022/03/31/al-horford-celtics-vaccination-status/%3famp=1

Al did not say he was vaccinated. He was using word play to avoid the question.

Right, but you have to be vaccinated to play in Toronto and Al said he’s eligible to play. Unless, you think he’s lying about his availability.

[Roy H.]

I was critical of the team for not playing the starters and then not having RWil either for the game in Toronto.  I was chided for not realizing how important rest was.  It never occurred to me that this may be the result of vaccination status.  This was likely never about rest.  We lost a game over vaccine status.

It seems now that likely Horford and Brown were not vaccinated and couldn't make the trip.  Tatum has said earlier that he was vaccinated so I am not sure what the deal was with him.  Seems a strange game to rest him when we were otherwise so short handed.

I think this has already detracted from the team.  We have a loss that we didn't need to lose.  It may not make any difference in the end but we were on an absolute role as a team.  Bottom line is that we have lost 2 in a row.  We don't need this kind of unnecessary, avoidable distraction.

Al stated that should the Celtics face the Raptors in the playoffs, he will be eligible to play in Toronto.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.boston.com/sports/morning-sports-update/2022/03/31/al-horford-celtics-vaccination-status/%3famp=1

Al did not say he was vaccinated. He was using word play to avoid the question.

Right, but you have to be vaccinated to play in Toronto and Al said he’s eligible to play. Unless, you think he’s lying about his availability.

He said he *will be* ready to play.  That could mean he's already vaccinated, or, more likely, that he intends to get vaccinated soon.

[Donoghus]

FWIW, I posted this the other day.  Something to chew on.

We have this from back in October. 

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2021/10/payton-pritchard-likely-broke-his-nose-celtics-guard-will-travel-back-to-boston-for-evaluation.html

Key paragraph here.

Boston may also be without big man Al Horford for the team’s regular season opener as he awaits clearance from the NBA health and safety protocols after a positive COVID-19 test earlier this week. Jaylen Brown is expected to be cleared in time to play next Wednesday after testing positive for COVID-19 last Friday. League sources indicated to MassLive.com that both Horford and Brown suffered breakthrough cases and are vaccinated.

Plus you had Udoka at the presser last week after the Wolves game that everyone who was healthy would be available for the Toronto game.

[Roy H.]

FWIW, I posted this the other day.  Something to chew on.

We have this from back in October. 

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2021/10/payton-pritchard-likely-broke-his-nose-celtics-guard-will-travel-back-to-boston-for-evaluation.html

Key paragraph here.

Boston may also be without big man Al Horford for the team’s regular season opener as he awaits clearance from the NBA health and safety protocols after a positive COVID-19 test earlier this week. Jaylen Brown is expected to be cleared in time to play next Wednesday after testing positive for COVID-19 last Friday. League sources indicated to MassLive.com that both Horford and Brown suffered breakthrough cases and are vaccinated.

Plus you had Udoka at the presser last week after the Wolves game that everyone who was healthy would be available for the Toronto game.

How much do we trust Brian Robb?  It's weird that nobody has brought up that article, including Robb himself.  You would think he'd say "hey, guys, I already reported on this".

The Udoka stuff seemed less certain to me.  He seemed confused by the question at the time, I thought.

[Goldstar88]

I was critical of the team for not playing the starters and then not having RWil either for the game in Toronto.  I was chided for not realizing how important rest was.  It never occurred to me that this may be the result of vaccination status.  This was likely never about rest.  We lost a game over vaccine status.

It seems now that likely Horford and Brown were not vaccinated and couldn't make the trip.  Tatum has said earlier that he was vaccinated so I am not sure what the deal was with him.  Seems a strange game to rest him when we were otherwise so short handed.

I think this has already detracted from the team.  We have a loss that we didn't need to lose.  It may not make any difference in the end but we were on an absolute role as a team.  Bottom line is that we have lost 2 in a row.  We don't need this kind of unnecessary, avoidable distraction.

Al stated that should the Celtics face the Raptors in the playoffs, he will be eligible to play in Toronto.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.boston.com/sports/morning-sports-update/2022/03/31/al-horford-celtics-vaccination-status/%3famp=1

Al did not say he was vaccinated. He was using word play to avoid the question.

Right, but you have to be vaccinated to play in Toronto and Al said he’s eligible to play. Unless, you think he’s lying about his availability.

He said he *will be* ready to play.  That could mean he's already vaccinated, or, more likely, that he intends to get vaccinated soon.

Fair, but “Will be” is all that I care about. Wouldn’t it be odd though for someone to be against receiving the vaccine all this time and then being like, “Well, If we end up playing Toronto first round I will go and get the shot.” Guess it’s possible, but seems unlikely to me.

[Vermont Green]

I was critical of the team for not playing the starters and then not having RWil either for the game in Toronto.  I was chided for not realizing how important rest was.  It never occurred to me that this may be the result of vaccination status.  This was likely never about rest.  We lost a game over vaccine status.

It seems now that likely Horford and Brown were not vaccinated and couldn't make the trip.  Tatum has said earlier that he was vaccinated so I am not sure what the deal was with him.  Seems a strange game to rest him when we were otherwise so short handed.

I think this has already detracted from the team.  We have a loss that we didn't need to lose.  It may not make any difference in the end but we were on an absolute role as a team.  Bottom line is that we have lost 2 in a row.  We don't need this kind of unnecessary, avoidable distraction.

I think both of JB and JT legitimately needed rest.  Both have been experiencing knee pain.

And, we don't know what the personal issue Horford was dealing with, but is it unfair to think that it took two days instead of one?  If it was a ruse related to vaccination status, why not play the prior game?

I don't know what Horford's personal reason was and I don't know what particular ailments Brown and Tatum had but it doesn't appear that is was anything too serious.  To me it is very unusual to rest two young players just because it was a back to back and if that turns out to be the only reason, then I will continue to be critical.  We messed with our mojo.  We should have treated the game like a playoff game in my opinion.  That isn't to say you treat every game all season that way but at this particular point in the season and with us playing so well, there was no reason to rest BOTH Brown and Tatum and essentially concede the game.

Based on what has been coming out, I now don't believe this was about rest.  If players were unvaccinated and this resulted in them not being able to play in this game, then this is on them.  And they had better work really hard to get the mojo back.  This has hurt the team, or at least distracted the team, in more ways than just one more loss.

Horford’s sister was getting married.

Like I said, I don't know but there was a Tweet or Instgram or something from Al's sister that contradicted this:

Anna Horford
@AnnaHorford | 34,714 followers

My wedding was Friday & it isn’t why he’s out ☘️ but thank you!

[Vermont Green]

I was critical of the team for not playing the starters and then not having RWil either for the game in Toronto.  I was chided for not realizing how important rest was.  It never occurred to me that this may be the result of vaccination status.  This was likely never about rest.  We lost a game over vaccine status.

It seems now that likely Horford and Brown were not vaccinated and couldn't make the trip.  Tatum has said earlier that he was vaccinated so I am not sure what the deal was with him.  Seems a strange game to rest him when we were otherwise so short handed.

I think this has already detracted from the team.  We have a loss that we didn't need to lose.  It may not make any difference in the end but we were on an absolute role as a team.  Bottom line is that we have lost 2 in a row.  We don't need this kind of unnecessary, avoidable distraction.

Al stated that should the Celtics face the Raptors in the playoffs, he will be eligible to play in Toronto.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.boston.com/sports/morning-sports-update/2022/03/31/al-horford-celtics-vaccination-status/%3famp=1

Al did not say he was vaccinated. He was using word play to avoid the question.

Right, but you have to be vaccinated to play in Toronto and Al said he’s eligible to play. Unless, you think he’s lying about his availability.

He said he *will be* ready to play.  That could mean he's already vaccinated, or, more likely, that he intends to get vaccinated soon.

Fair, but “Will be” is all that I care about. Wouldn’t it be odd though for someone to be against receiving the vaccine all this time and then being like, “Well, If we end up playing Toronto first round I will got and get the shot.” Guess it’s possible, but seems unlikely to me.

There are a lot more people who have taken it and a lot more evidence that it is not harmful, than there was in say October.

This is so stupid, another thing I blame Trump for 

[Donoghus]

FWIW, I posted this the other day.  Something to chew on.

We have this from back in October. 

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2021/10/payton-pritchard-likely-broke-his-nose-celtics-guard-will-travel-back-to-boston-for-evaluation.html

Key paragraph here.

Boston may also be without big man Al Horford for the team’s regular season opener as he awaits clearance from the NBA health and safety protocols after a positive COVID-19 test earlier this week. Jaylen Brown is expected to be cleared in time to play next Wednesday after testing positive for COVID-19 last Friday. League sources indicated to MassLive.com that both Horford and Brown suffered breakthrough cases and are vaccinated.

Plus you had Udoka at the presser last week after the Wolves game that everyone who was healthy would be available for the Toronto game.

How much do we trust Brian Robb?  It's weird that nobody has brought up that article, including Robb himself.  You would think he'd say "hey, guys, I already reported on this".

The Udoka stuff seemed less certain to me.  He seemed confused by the question at the time, I thought.

Certainly valid points.

[ETNCeltics]

No way in hell I'd take that poisonous shot.

That aside, it could be the Celtics weren't so much concerned about Canadian law as they were American rules.

They have to take a test to get back into the U.S. Then they'd have to quarantine for something little different than the common cold, which would cost them a lot more than 1 game in Toronto.

Sitting 4 of your 5 top players so they don't have to be exposed to that risk is good management.

[Roy H.]

No way in hell I'd take that poisonous shot.

That aside, it could be the Celtics weren't so much concerned about Canadian law as they were American rules.

They have to take a test to get back into the U.S. Then they'd have to quarantine for something little different than the common cold, which would cost them a lot more than 1 game in Toronto.

Sitting 4 of your 5 top players so they don't have to be exposed to that risk is good management.

Bizarre definition of "poison" aside, what do you think the Celts should do if they have to face Toronto in the playoffs?

[mobilija]

No way in hell I'd take that poisonous shot.

That aside, it could be the Celtics weren't so much concerned about Canadian law as they were American rules.

They have to take a test to get back into the U.S. Then they'd have to quarantine for something little different than the common cold, which would cost them a lot more than 1 game in Toronto.

Sitting 4 of your 5 top players so they don't have to be exposed to that risk is good management.

I'm not seeing the quarantine requirement you speak of. According to CDC it is recommended.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/international-travel-during-covid19.html#anchor_1634925927097

[MattyIce]

No way in hell I'd take that poisonous shot.

That aside, it could be the Celtics weren't so much concerned about Canadian law as they were American rules.

They have to take a test to get back into the U.S. Then they'd have to quarantine for something little different than the common cold, which would cost them a lot more than 1 game in Toronto.

Sitting 4 of your 5 top players so they don't have to be exposed to that risk is good management.

I'm not seeing the quarantine requirement you speak of. According to CDC it is recommended.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/international-travel-during-covid19.html#anchor_1634925927097

IF it's needed to test before coming back, and I heard it was but that could be wrong, then whether they are + or false + are they allowed to even come back (quarantine aside)