Celtics Team Vaccination status

[aefgogreen]

Without getting into the politics of it, from recent comments, I think it's fair to say that at least one player isn't vaccinated.  Does anyone know if the player gets the J&J if he's eligible to play right away or does he have to wait the two weeks?

[Roy H.]

https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/covid-vaccinated-travellers-entering-canada

To qualify as a fully vaccinated traveller to Canada, you must:

*have received at least 2 doses of a COVID-19 vaccine accepted for travel, a mix of 2 accepted vaccines
or at least 1 dose of the Janssen/Johnson & Johnson vaccine

*have received your second dose at least 14 calendar days before you enter Canada

Example: if your second dose was anytime on Thursday, July 1, then Thursday, July 15 would be the first day that you meet the 14 day condition

[Donoghus]

https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/covid-vaccinated-travellers-entering-canada

To qualify as a fully vaccinated traveller to Canada, you must:

*have received at least 2 doses of a COVID-19 vaccine accepted for travel, a mix of 2 accepted vaccines
or at least 1 dose of the Janssen/Johnson & Johnson vaccine

*have received your second dose at least 14 calendar days before you enter Canada

Example: if your second dose was anytime on Thursday, July 1, then Thursday, July 15 would be the first day that you meet the 14 day condition

Playoffs (non play-in) start April 16th.  If Boston drew Toronto & assuming Celtics are the higher seed, then you have to figure that any non-vaccinated players would have to get the J&J in the next week or so to be ready for the first road game in Toronto.

[Vermont Green]

I was critical of the team for not playing the starters and then not having RWil either for the game in Toronto.  I was chided for not realizing how important rest was.  It never occurred to me that this may be the result of vaccination status.  This was likely never about rest.  We lost a game over vaccine status.

It seems now that likely Horford and Brown were not vaccinated and couldn't make the trip.  Tatum has said earlier that he was vaccinated so I am not sure what the deal was with him.  Seems a strange game to rest him when we were otherwise so short handed.

I think this has already detracted from the team.  We have a loss that we didn't need to lose.  It may not make any difference in the end but we were on an absolute role as a team.  Bottom line is that we have lost 2 in a row.  We don't need this kind of unnecessary, avoidable distraction.

[jpotter33]

We know Tatum is vaccinated, as he’s said it multiple times. I think the questionable ones are Al and JB.

And to be honest, I’ll be pretty disappointed in both of them if they’ve refused to get it thus far. Both of them are more intelligent and reasonable than that and serve as role models for their community. This is especially true for the black community, who is much more likely to experience medical distrust given historical mistreatment by the medical community.

The amount of harm that role models/professional athletes like Irving due when they make these kinds of outlandish decisions based on disinformation goes way beyond what I think most people understand.

[johnnygreen]

If Jaylen (and possibly Al) haven't been vaccinated by now, does anyone really believe he would get one to play possibly 3 games in a playoff series?

A lot of people on this site have mocked Kyrie for not getting vaccinated, but at least he had the stones to voice his opinion and stand by it.

[jpotter33]

I was critical of the team for not playing the starters and then not having RWil either for the game in Toronto.  I was chided for not realizing how important rest was.  It never occurred to me that this may be the result of vaccination status.  This was likely never about rest.  We lost a game over vaccine status.

It seems now that likely Horford and Brown were not vaccinated and couldn't make the trip.  Tatum has said earlier that he was vaccinated so I am not sure what the deal was with him.  Seems a strange game to rest him when we were otherwise so short handed.

I think this has already detracted from the team.  We have a loss that we didn't need to lose.  It may not make any difference in the end but we were on an absolute role as a team.  Bottom line is that we have lost 2 in a row.  We don't need this kind of unnecessary, avoidable distraction.

Eh, not sure about that. It’s reasonable for both Tatum and Brown to rest that game being a B2B, as both of them were listed with injuries and probable before that. So I think that it’s not completely unreasonable or suspicious to rest them during that game.

Al is a bit more complex. He was out for vague “personal reasons” for both the Minny game and Toronto game. I guess I could see that as a way to continue to hide his vaccination status, but they’re taking it to an extreme if they did it for both games to not raise suspicions.

And if we’re really going down that route of strategic testing for vaccination status, that’s really disappointing and makes this team no different than the Irving crap in Brooklyn.

[Roy H.]

I was critical of the team for not playing the starters and then not having RWil either for the game in Toronto.  I was chided for not realizing how important rest was.  It never occurred to me that this may be the result of vaccination status.  This was likely never about rest.  We lost a game over vaccine status.

It seems now that likely Horford and Brown were not vaccinated and couldn't make the trip.  Tatum has said earlier that he was vaccinated so I am not sure what the deal was with him.  Seems a strange game to rest him when we were otherwise so short handed.

I think this has already detracted from the team.  We have a loss that we didn't need to lose.  It may not make any difference in the end but we were on an absolute role as a team.  Bottom line is that we have lost 2 in a row.  We don't need this kind of unnecessary, avoidable distraction.

I think both of JB and JT legitimately needed rest.  Both have been experiencing knee pain.

And, we don't know what the personal issue Horford was dealing with, but is it unfair to think that it took two days instead of one?  If it was a ruse related to vaccination status, why not play the prior game?

[sgrogan]

Have the Canadian rules changed from Nov. 28, 2021?
Both Al and Jayen played in that game https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202111280TOR.html

EDIT: Yes they have changed
The Government of Canada is also announcing that as of January 15, 2022, certain groups of travellers, who are currently exempt from entry requirements, will only be allowed to enter the country if they are fully vaccinated with one of the vaccines approved for entry into Canada. These groups include:

    individuals travelling to reunite with family (unvaccinated children under 18 years of age will retain exemption if travelling to reunite with an immediate or extended family member who is a Canadian, permanent resident, or person registered under the Indian Act);
    international students who are 18 years old and older;
    professional and amateur athletes;
    individuals with a valid work permit, including temporary foreign workers (outside of those in agriculture and food processing); and
    essential service providers, including truck drivers.

[aefgogreen]

Have the Canadian rules changed from Nov. 28, 2021?
Both Al and Jayen played in that game https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202111280TOR.html

Yes, the rules changed on January 15th, if I'm correct. 

[Goldstar88]

I was critical of the team for not playing the starters and then not having RWil either for the game in Toronto.  I was chided for not realizing how important rest was.  It never occurred to me that this may be the result of vaccination status.  This was likely never about rest.  We lost a game over vaccine status.

It seems now that likely Horford and Brown were not vaccinated and couldn't make the trip.  Tatum has said earlier that he was vaccinated so I am not sure what the deal was with him.  Seems a strange game to rest him when we were otherwise so short handed.

I think this has already detracted from the team.  We have a loss that we didn't need to lose.  It may not make any difference in the end but we were on an absolute role as a team.  Bottom line is that we have lost 2 in a row.  We don't need this kind of unnecessary, avoidable distraction.

Al stated that should the Celtics face the Raptors in the playoffs, he will be eligible to play in Toronto.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.boston.com/sports/morning-sports-update/2022/03/31/al-horford-celtics-vaccination-status/%3famp=1

[Roy H.]

Have the Canadian rules changed from Nov. 28, 2021?
Both Al and Jayen played in that game https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202111280TOR.html

They have.  I think the unvaccinated rule went into effect on January 15, 2022.

[Roy H.]

Brad Stevens on Toucher and Rich:



https://985thesportshub.com/episodes/celtics-president-of-basketball-operations-brad-stevens-the-stack-4-1-hour-4/

So, yeah, that pretty much confirms that we've got at least one unvaccinated guy.

[johnnygreen]

I was critical of the team for not playing the starters and then not having RWil either for the game in Toronto.  I was chided for not realizing how important rest was.  It never occurred to me that this may be the result of vaccination status.  This was likely never about rest.  We lost a game over vaccine status.

It seems now that likely Horford and Brown were not vaccinated and couldn't make the trip.  Tatum has said earlier that he was vaccinated so I am not sure what the deal was with him.  Seems a strange game to rest him when we were otherwise so short handed.

I think this has already detracted from the team.  We have a loss that we didn't need to lose.  It may not make any difference in the end but we were on an absolute role as a team.  Bottom line is that we have lost 2 in a row.  We don't need this kind of unnecessary, avoidable distraction.

Al stated that should the Celtics face the Raptors in the playoffs, he will be eligible to play in Toronto.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.boston.com/sports/morning-sports-update/2022/03/31/al-horford-celtics-vaccination-status/%3famp=1

Al did not say he was vaccinated. He was using word play to avoid the question.

[RJ87]

I was critical of the team for not playing the starters and then not having RWil either for the game in Toronto.  I was chided for not realizing how important rest was.  It never occurred to me that this may be the result of vaccination status.  This was likely never about rest.  We lost a game over vaccine status.

It seems now that likely Horford and Brown were not vaccinated and couldn't make the trip.  Tatum has said earlier that he was vaccinated so I am not sure what the deal was with him.  Seems a strange game to rest him when we were otherwise so short handed.

I think this has already detracted from the team.  We have a loss that we didn't need to lose.  It may not make any difference in the end but we were on an absolute role as a team.  Bottom line is that we have lost 2 in a row.  We don't need this kind of unnecessary, avoidable distraction.

Eh, not sure about that. It’s reasonable for both Tatum and Brown to rest that game being a B2B, as both of them were listed with injuries and probable before that. So I think that it’s not completely unreasonable or suspicious to rest them during that game.

Al is a bit more complex. He was out for vague “personal reasons” for both the Minny game and Toronto game. I guess I could see that as a way to continue to hide his vaccination status, but they’re taking it to an extreme if they did it for both games to not raise suspicions.

And if we’re really going down that route of strategic testing for vaccination status, that’s really disappointing and makes this team no different than the Irving crap in Brooklyn.

Al's sister got married, I believe. That's why he was out.

We know Tatum is vaccinated, as he’s said it multiple times. I think the questionable ones are Al and JB.

And to be honest, I’ll be pretty disappointed in both of them if they’ve refused to get it thus far. Both of them are more intelligent and reasonable than that and serve as role models for their community. This is especially true for the black community, who is much more likely to experience medical distrust given historical mistreatment by the medical community.

The amount of harm that role models/professional athletes like Irving due when they make these kinds of outlandish decisions based on disinformation goes way beyond what I think most people understand.

I hate the idea of "role models" and believe the influence of "role models" is way overstated. We give celebrities and athletes to much credit there because quite frankly, no celebrity or athlete is going to make me override the values my own parents instilled in me or what I've learned from my own personal experience. I suspect that's true for the vast majority of people. The medical distrust within the black community is not going to be undone or influenced by whether or not Kyrie Irving or Jaylen Brown decide to get the vaccine. What they decide to do with their bodies is their decision. Subscribing the "role model" label to them - or any athlete - is just a way to guilt them into conforming to what you think they should do. It's an expression of ownership.