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Could the C’s be a version of the 03/04’ Pistons?
« on: February 18, 2022, 01:56:26 PM »

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That pistons team had some very good players, but no elite talent. Just incredible defense and they played really well as a unit. Took out the Kobe and Shaq led Lakers that year. Can the C’s use the same model and win in today’s NBA?

Pistons Starters:
Billups: 16.9pts, 3.5reb, 5.7 ast, 1.1stl
Hamilton: 17.6pts, 3.6reb, 4ast, 1.3stl
R. Wallace: 13.7pts, 7reb, 1.8ast 2blk, 1.1stl
Prince: 10.3pts, 4.8reb, 2.3ast
B. Wallace: 9.5pts, 12.4reb, 1.7ast, 3blk, 1.8stl

Celtics Starters
Smart: 11.7pts, 3.9reb, 5.3ast 1.8stl
Brown: 23.7pts, 6.5reb, 3.3ast 1.1stl
Tatum: 25.7pts, 8.4reb, 4.2ast, 1stl
Horford: 10.1pts, 7.5reb, 3.4ast, 1.3blk
Timelord: 10pts, 9.7reb, 2ast, 2.3blk
« Last Edit: February 18, 2022, 04:46:22 PM by Goldstar88 »
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: Could the C’s be a version of the 03/04’ Pistons?
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2022, 02:06:33 PM »

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So you're sayin' there's a chance!!!!!!

Re: Could the C’s be a version of the 03/04’ Pistons?
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2022, 02:39:21 PM »

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So you're sayin' there's a chance!!!!!!

Do you need a top 10 player to win in today’s NBA or Can you win with a couple of very good players and elite defense like the Pistons did that year?
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: Could the C’s be a version of the 03/04’ Pistons?
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2022, 02:40:45 PM »

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Yeah, that's the dream

Re: Could the C’s be a version of the 03/04’ Pistons?
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2022, 03:13:54 PM »

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Wow I knew it was a team effort, and that numbers were deflated in that era, but nobody scored over 18 ppg? That's absurd.
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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2022, 03:29:31 PM »

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That would be cool. 2004 pistons are one of my favorite non Celtics title teams ever. But idk about that…there is a BIG difference between prime Chauncey Billups and Marcus Smart at point guard. If there is a title team the Celtics are most like it’s the 2019 raptors. We can only hope that Tatum can put the team on his back like Kawhi did that year.

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Lol, not a chance. Those Pistons played the definition of team basketball. We don't know from quarter to quarter when this Celtics team will revert back to iso ball. Don't let the latest win streak fool you.

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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2022, 03:45:34 PM »

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They are one of the 3 teams in the entire history of the sport to win a championship without a top 5 player (or arguably a top 5 player).  Trying to replicate that is just not a formula that is going to lead to championships.
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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2022, 04:24:35 PM »

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They are one of the 3 teams in the entire history of the sport to win a championship without a top 5 player (or arguably a top 5 player).  Trying to replicate that is just not a formula that is going to lead to championships.

Good news is Tatum is arguably a top-5 player, so we can be the Pistons with an arguably top-5 player.

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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2022, 04:40:18 PM »

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Lol, not a chance. Those Pistons played the definition of team basketball. We don't know from quarter to quarter when this Celtics team will revert back to iso ball. Don't let the latest win streak fool you.

You may not remember Rasheed Wallace's habits.

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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2022, 04:48:18 PM »

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I think that if we had Billups from 03/04 this team would be a championship team. He was that good that year.

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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2022, 04:48:39 PM »

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Lol, not a chance. Those Pistons played the definition of team basketball. We don't know from quarter to quarter when this Celtics team will revert back to iso ball. Don't let the latest win streak fool you.

You may not remember Rasheed Wallace's habits.

He was a big part of them winning that title. In other words, ball don't lie.

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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2022, 05:22:57 PM »

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Lol, not a chance. Those Pistons played the definition of team basketball. We don't know from quarter to quarter when this Celtics team will revert back to iso ball. Don't let the latest win streak fool you.

You may not remember Rasheed Wallace's habits.

He was a big part of them winning that title. In other words, ball don't lie.

I'm not disagreeing that he was, but its funny how a title rewrites the history on players.

We argue that you can't win if you don't have a certain kind of player, but then when a team wins we say that they had that player all along.

Wallace was an infuriating player to watch. He had the offensive passivity of Anthony Davis, but with less production and less physical abilities (although he was special there). He took bad shots -- a lot. He played a lot of iso ball. When he should shoot he'd pass. When he should pass, he'd shoot.

Paul Pierce made a lot of dumb offensive plays too. He forced it a lot. He took bad shots. He went iso ball too much. But then he won. That championship Celtics team was infuriating to watch on offense at times.

I'm just saying that the players that we have are transforming and shifting constantly. They are growing and we would remember them differently if they did make noise.

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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2022, 05:31:19 PM »

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Lol, not a chance. Those Pistons played the definition of team basketball. We don't know from quarter to quarter when this Celtics team will revert back to iso ball. Don't let the latest win streak fool you.

You may not remember Rasheed Wallace's habits.

He was a big part of them winning that title. In other words, ball don't lie.

I'm not disagreeing that he was, but its funny how a title rewrites the history on players.

We argue that you can't win if you don't have a certain kind of player, but then when a team wins we say that they had that player all along.

Wallace was an infuriating player to watch. He had the offensive passivity of Anthony Davis, but with less production and less physical abilities (although he was special there). He took bad shots -- a lot. He played a lot of iso ball. When he should shoot he'd pass. When he should pass, he'd shoot.

Paul Pierce made a lot of dumb offensive plays too. He forced it a lot. He took bad shots. He went iso ball too much. But then he won. That championship Celtics team was infuriating to watch on offense at times.

I'm just saying that the players that we have are transforming and shifting constantly. They are growing and we would remember them differently if they did make noise.

This is an important point.  That year’s team was ranked 11th in ORTG.  Better than this year’s 18th, but both have lived off their defense.

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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2022, 08:51:26 PM »

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I think that if we had Billups from 03/04 this team would be a championship team. He was that good that year.

Regular season: 16.9pts, 5.7ast, 3.5 reb, FG:39.4% 3PT:38.8%

Postseason: 16.4pts, 5.9ast, 3reb, FG:38.5%, 3PT: 34.6%

He was good, but that wasn’t his best year as a pro. I really liked that Pistons team, but I’d take JT and JB over any of the players they had on their roster.

Never  really looked at the ages of their starters on that championship team until now. Chauncey:27, Hamilton:25, Ben:29, Sheed: 29, Prince:23.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2022, 09:19:02 PM by Goldstar88 »
Quoting Nick from the now locked Ime thread:
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.