Celtics Tpe update

[KG Living Legend]

 From Adam Kaufman.  We still have Fourniers 17.1 million dollar tpe. And we created 5 new ones. Most if not all were 2.5 million tpe's. 

[jambr380]

Yeah, I saw this on Reddit. I totally trashed Brad for using the Fournier TPE and creating a new smaller one (because that was what was reported), so I take all of that back. Really happy to have that in our back pocket this offseason - especially if we waive Al

[KG Living Legend]

 You are forgiven Jambr. Tp for coming clean about your dirty past. Jk lol

[Surferdad]

They just got under the tax line. I don't see them adding a big salary any time soon.

[PAOBoston]

They just got under the tax line. I don't see them adding a big salary any time soon.

They got under the tax to no be repeat offenders I believe. I think if that resets, they should be good to do whatever going forward. I’ll defer to the forums capologists here but at least that was my understanding.

[Surferdad]

They just got under the tax line. I don't see them adding a big salary any time soon.

They got under the tax to no be repeat offenders I believe. I think if that resets, they should be good to do whatever going forward. I’ll defer to the forums capologists here but at least that was my understanding.

I think you are right.  They can't use any TPEs until after the season now that we are past the trade deadline.

[jambr380]

They just got under the tax line. I don't see them adding a big salary any time soon.

They got under the tax to no be repeat offenders I believe. I think if that resets, they should be good to do whatever going forward. I’ll defer to the forums capologists here but at least that was my understanding.

To an extent. The repeater tax doesn't begin until you've been in the tax for 3 out of 4 years. Since we haven't actually been in the tax since Kyrie's last season here, we are actually a long way out from the repeater tax kicking in and will be completely starting from scratch when we do pay it.

But - barring a huge move for a 3rd star - it was always extremely likely we were going to duck the tax this season. We were only ever a Hernangomez or Schroder 'dump' away from doing so. And by doing so, we are now in line for something like a $13-14M check from the league from teams who actually are paying the tax. We were gifted what essentially became a Hernangomez dump w/o giving up any picks, which gave us the ability to trade Schroder for Theis.

As far as adding a big salary goes - what we did this season (getting under the tax) should have no bearing on what we do in the future. It should be assumed that we will be in the tax next season (and beyond), it just depends on how much. Hopefully Brad has the ability to use as much as that $17M TPE as he can to bring in another impact player like White.

[RodyTur10]

They just got under the tax line. I don't see them adding a big salary any time soon.

They got under the tax to no be repeat offenders I believe. I think if that resets, they should be good to do whatever going forward. I’ll defer to the forums capologists here but at least that was my understanding.

To an extent. The repeater tax doesn't begin until you've been in the tax for 3 out of 4 years. Since we haven't actually been in the tax since Kyrie's last season here, we are actually a long way out from the repeater tax kicking in and will be completely starting from scratch when we do pay it.

But - barring a huge move for a 3rd star - it was always extremely likely we were going to duck the tax this season. We were only ever a Hernangomez or Schroder 'dump' away from doing so. And by doing so, we are now in line for something like a $13-14M check from the league from teams who actually are paying the tax. We were gifted what essentially became a Hernangomez dump w/o giving up any picks, which gave us the ability to trade Schroder for Theis.

As far as adding a big salary goes - what we did this season (getting under the tax) should have no bearing on what we do in the future. It should be assumed that we will be in the tax next season (and beyond), it just depends on how much. Hopefully Brad has the ability to use as much as that $17M TPE as he can to bring in another impact player like White.

$17M isn't a huge salary limit in todays NBA. Players who we could mainly target with that TPE are veterans who don't hold a lot of value to their respective teams, but should be instant rotation players on the Celtics.

Some names: Caldwell-Pope, Rose, Burks, Noel, McConnell, Fultz, Ross, Olynyk, Kennard, Graham, Nance Jr, Hart, McDermott, Holmes.

Other names: Markkanen, Osman, Robinson, Anunoby, Huerter, Melton, Wood, Clarkson, Kleber, Barton, Beasley, Morris, Valanciunas, Poeltl, Wood.

[Surferdad]

They just got under the tax line. I don't see them adding a big salary any time soon.

They got under the tax to no be repeat offenders I believe. I think if that resets, they should be good to do whatever going forward. I’ll defer to the forums capologists here but at least that was my understanding.

To an extent. The repeater tax doesn't begin until you've been in the tax for 3 out of 4 years. Since we haven't actually been in the tax since Kyrie's last season here, we are actually a long way out from the repeater tax kicking in and will be completely starting from scratch when we do pay it.

But - barring a huge move for a 3rd star - it was always extremely likely we were going to duck the tax this season. We were only ever a Hernangomez or Schroder 'dump' away from doing so. And by doing so, we are now in line for something like a $13-14M check from the league from teams who actually are paying the tax. We were gifted what essentially became a Hernangomez dump w/o giving up any picks, which gave us the ability to trade Schroder for Theis.

As far as adding a big salary goes - what we did this season (getting under the tax) should have no bearing on what we do in the future. It should be assumed that we will be in the tax next season (and beyond), it just depends on how much. Hopefully Brad has the ability to use as much as that $17M TPE as he can to bring in another impact player like White.

$17M isn't a huge salary limit in todays NBA. Players who we could mainly target with that TPE are veterans who don't hold a lot of value to their respective teams, but should be instant rotation players on the Celtics.

Some names: Caldwell-Pope, Rose, Burks, Noel, McConnell, Fultz, Ross, Olynyk, Kennard, Graham, Nance Jr, Hart, McDermott, Holmes.

Other names: Markkanen, Osman, Robinson, Anunoby, Melton, Wood, Clarkson, Kleber, Barton, Beasley, Morris, Valanciunas, Poeltl, Wood.

Always liked Nerlens Noel and I think he fits this roster pretty well, certainly better than Kornet.

[jambr380]

$17M isn't a huge salary limit in todays NBA. Players who we could mainly target with that TPE are veterans who don't hold a lot of value to their respective teams, but should be instant rotation players on the Celtics.

Some names: Caldwell-Pope, Rose, Burks, Noel, McConnell, Fultz, Ross, Olynyk, Kennard, Graham, Nance Jr, Hart, McDermott, Holmes.

Other names: Markkanen, Osman, Robinson, Anunoby, Melton, Wood, Clarkson, Kleber, Barton, Beasley, Morris, Valanciunas, Poeltl, Wood.

I get it, a lot of those names don't blow you away. And you can take Anunoby off the list since he will be paid more next season than our TPE is worth. It could always be split up to bring in two players, and I honestly wouldn't be remotely surprised if we just brought back JRich. I hear that Derrick White kid is pretty good - maybe we could use it on him 

[RodyTur10]

$17M isn't a huge salary limit in todays NBA. Players who we could mainly target with that TPE are veterans who don't hold a lot of value to their respective teams, but should be instant rotation players on the Celtics.

Some names: Caldwell-Pope, Rose, Burks, Noel, McConnell, Fultz, Ross, Olynyk, Kennard, Graham, Nance Jr, Hart, McDermott, Holmes.

Other names: Markkanen, Osman, Robinson, Anunoby, Melton, Wood, Clarkson, Kleber, Barton, Beasley, Morris, Valanciunas, Poeltl, Wood.

I get it, a lot of those names don't blow you away. And you can take Anunoby off the list since he will be paid more next season than our TPE is worth. It could always be split up to bring in two players, and I honestly wouldn't be remotely surprised if we just brought back JRich. I hear that Derrick White kid is pretty good - maybe we could use it on him 

Sharp with Anunoby (TP). We are not allowed to take back Richardson this summer, so that would surprise me  .
I wouldn't mind Burks, Kennard or Olynyk. The latter if Horford doesn't return.

[jambr380]

$17M isn't a huge salary limit in todays NBA. Players who we could mainly target with that TPE are veterans who don't hold a lot of value to their respective teams, but should be instant rotation players on the Celtics.

Some names: Caldwell-Pope, Rose, Burks, Noel, McConnell, Fultz, Ross, Olynyk, Kennard, Graham, Nance Jr, Hart, McDermott, Holmes.

Other names: Markkanen, Osman, Robinson, Anunoby, Melton, Wood, Clarkson, Kleber, Barton, Beasley, Morris, Valanciunas, Poeltl, Wood.

I get it, a lot of those names don't blow you away. And you can take Anunoby off the list since he will be paid more next season than our TPE is worth. It could always be split up to bring in two players, and I honestly wouldn't be remotely surprised if we just brought back JRich. I hear that Derrick White kid is pretty good - maybe we could use it on him 

Sharp with Anunoby (TP). We are not allowed to take back Richardson this summer, so that would surprise me  .
I wouldn't mind Burks, Kennard or Olynyk. The latter if Horford doesn't return.

Are you sure about Jrich? I get that it's a little unorthodox (like waiving Al and re-signing him), but it'll be a new league year and it's not like a trade/buy-out situation. I honestly wouldn't be psyched with the vast majority of the available names, but we'll see what Brad decides to do. It is apparently all about fit.

[Vermont Green]

So if I follow this, the Derrick White trade was a salary wash, no TPE used, no TPE created.

We brought in Theis with the Tristan Thompson TPE.

We created new TPE with:

Schroder      $5.9M
Bol Bol         $2.2M
Dozier          $1.9M
Fernando      $1.8M
Freedom       $1.7M

Plus keep Fournier at $17.1M

And I am not sure but I think we still have $5.1M left on the Kemba trade TPE.

I am not sure how useful those small ones will be (maybe they are used for buy out acquisitions?) but Fournier ($17.1M) and Schroder ($5.9M) are pretty nice to have (and the Kemba trade TPE at $5.1M if that in fact is still available).

[Celtics2021]

So if I follow this, the Derrick White trade was a salary wash, no TPE used, no TPE created.

We brought in Theis with the Tristan Thompson TPE.

We created new TPE with:

Schroder      $5.9M
Bol Bol         $2.2M
Dozier          $1.9M
Fernando      $1.8M
Freedom       $1.7M

Plus keep Fournier at $17.1M

And I am not sure but I think we still have $5.1M left on the Kemba trade TPE.

I am not sure how useful those small ones will be (maybe they are used for buy out acquisitions?) but Fournier ($17.1M) and Schroder ($5.9M) are pretty nice to have (and the Kemba trade TPE at $5.1M if that in fact is still available).

No, we used that TPE to acquire Bol and Dozier so that we could create a $6.9 million TPE for Hernangomez.  So our three largest are Fournier ($17.1), Hernangomez ($6.9), and Schröder ($5.9).

Also, the Celtics should have been able to create a $3.8 million TPE for Langford, since Richardson alone ought to have been enough to match White, unless there is a misreported salary somewhere.

[nickagneta]

I could see Boston trading Horford and also making a trade for someone to fit into that TPE. Maybe even use them both with the same team bringing back two players and saving a team a ton of money.

Also, teams like Atlanta, Denver, Dallas, Utah, Clippers(if Kawhi isn't going to be healthy) and Golden State might be looking to dump salary.

My point being, if ownership is okay paying a good size tax bill next year, there are a lot of possibilities to add quality players around the Jays next year trading away expensive assets like Horford and that TPE.