Celtics trade grades?

[Kiorrik]

Patience paying off?

[nickagneta]

Patience paying off?

TP4U.

[colincb]

Sooooooo....anyone thinking about changing their grades?

Last 17 games White with 40/34.3/86.5 shooting splits. Over the last 8 games, he is at 45.2/50/83.3

Decent chance White could finish around 31% 3PT% in Boston after today, which is amazing given his 38.2/21.6/86.6 start in shooting his first 17 games in Green.

Theis at 7.8/1/4.5 shooting 59.6/37/68 shooting split in Boston. Since Timelord went down Theis' numbers are 13.5/1/5.1 with shooting splits of 58.9/41.7/71.4.

I loved the trades at the time and thought once these guys got acclimated their play would show how good the trades have been. Given the pick given up will probably be #26, that makes the White trade look even better.

Yeah, I'm moving them up a half grade to an A+.

[gouki88]

Definitely bumping my trade grade. White has improved his shooting massively, and Theis has been much better than I thought he would (probably helps that he's healthy).

[Sophomore]

Definitely bumping my trade grade. White has improved his shooting massively, and Theis has been much better than I thought he would (probably helps that he's healthy).

And on the other side what will our pick be? 25th? You can get a player there but you usually don’t.

[dannyboy35]

   This has been the easiest Celtic team to root for in a long time for me. They really have been maximizing what they have for a long time now. I love  the player movement. I’m never getting tired of our bigs cutting to guys back door for layups.

[Vermont Green]

I had scored the trades pretty high relative to the norm, conceding that it seemed like we were giving up a lot for White.  I could understand people being down on the White part of the deadline trades as he was only shooting 23% from 3 or whatever it was but I was surprised at how many people had just written off Theis.  I think the comment I heard a lot was, "this trade is for next year".  That made no sense.  Theis is a good player for the role that we needed.  We were very thin at big depth.  He got off to a slow start also but settled in and came on.

Looking at 5 man line ups, we all know that the core starting 5 (Smart, Brown, Tatum, Horford, Rwill) was off the charts good.  In 443 minutes, this group was +218 (34.6 per 100 Poss).  But Theis with this group was +44 in 59 minutes (23.9 per 100 Poss).  GWilliams with the starters was -13 in 61 minutes (-9.4 per 100 Poss), for comparison.

I don't think the plan was for Theis to have to start but he was going to help the team in any case.  He is better than Grant Williams in general and especially better than Grant for filling in as a starter for RWill.  Theis is much closer to RWill than to GWill.  It was a good trade to get Theis.  Having White and Pritchard made Schroder entirely expendable.

Additional line ups with the starters and someone in for RWill (all per 100 Poss):

Schroder  -16.7
White       -4.4
Pritchard  +2.2

One big lines ups with Horford did not do very well.  1 big line ups with RWill did much better.  There are not any 1 big lines ups for starters with Theis which may reveal the principle thing that RWill can give the team that Theis can't.  RWill is the guy that can play well as the lone big in the one big line ups.  Theis and GWill are never used that way and the results for Horford aren't good.

[Celtics2021]

Pleased to see that A bolded up top.

[Moranis]

I was a B at the time and still a B.  I do think the lack of depth on the team could have had disastrous consequences and may have in fact contributed to Rob getting hurt.  I also still don't like giving up the pick swap so far in the future.  That could end up a very good pick (or may be a very late pick).  Just too much uncertainty that far in the future for a good but not great player.  But the roster needed a shakeup and some consolidation and that was accomplished with a couple of good all around players in White and Theis. 

[Smartacus]

I was very happy with the trade at the time. The gist of my position was that it is difficult to upgrade a player in an 8 man rotation, and we did so with a player that had intimate knowledge of Udoka's system.

The price seemed fairly high for Derrick White in the moment but now that the first cloud of dust has settled, I thin it's fair. The FRP that they are getting is roughly as low as it could have been, Romeo Langford might be out of the league and -although Richardson has played well- it is very nice having Derrick White locked into 4 more years of team control. The pick swap is way too far out to seriously think either way on it.

Theis for Schroeder was gravy at the deadline because it was addition by subtraction. It's unfortunate that we needed Theis as TL insurance but we couldn't have asked for a less disruptive influence on the rotation while Williams was on the mend. Theis has once again proven himself worthy of the Green jersey and its good for Boston's credibility with players and agents around the league.

I was probably about an A- at the time and can now comfortably raise that up to an A.

The only thing keeping it from an A+ is pick swap in 2028, it feels like a potential asteroid extinction event. It could hit a major city causing planet wide detestation (swapping a top 3 pick after a losing year for a 20+ pick from the Spurs) but it's just as likely that it misses the Earth completely (doesn't convey because we have a better record) or breaks up in the atmosphere causing minimal damage (The pick only moves 3-5 spots). Only time will tell.

[Roy H.]

I was a B at the time and still a B.

Same here.  I voted "B".  I'm not sure if that was a straight B, a B- or a B+.  Right now I'd say B+.  Maybe that should be an A-, though. 

Pluses:  White and Theis are good players and good fits for our team.  They make sense for the team right now and in the future.  White brings an element that has been missing since Horford in terms of an unselfish player who moves the ball seamlessly.  With the team shooting better overall, White's deficiencies aren't as big of a deal.  We're giving up, at worst, the #23 pick this year.

Minuses:  The pick swap still seems irresponsible.  White's contract concerns me a bit.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

In a best-case scenario, this is similar to the Warriors trading for Igoudala in 2013 that set them off on a dynasty.

Igoudala was at 13/6/6 a game on 45/32/57(!) shooting splits.

At that point, he had been on the all-defensive 2nd team once in his career.and had made the All-star team in the weak Eastern Conference on 12/6/6 a game.

Warriors gave up picks and solid players to get him, including Richard Jefferson, Brandon Rush (decent young prospect at that point), two firsts and two seconds.

White for San Antonio this year was at 14/6/4 a game on 43/41/87 shooting splits, but has widely been recognized as one of the better guard defenders in the NBA.

I'm not taking this comparison too seriously, but it is a fun narrative.

[kraidstar]

In a best-case scenario, this is similar to the Warriors trading for Igoudala in 2013 that set them off on a dynasty.

Igoudala was at 13/6/6 a game on 45/32/57(!) shooting splits.

At that point, he had been on the all-defensive 2nd team once in his career.and had made the All-star team in the weak Eastern Conference on 12/6/6 a game.

Warriors gave up picks and solid players to get him, including Richard Jefferson, Brandon Rush (decent young prospect at that point), two firsts and two seconds.

White for San Antonio this year was at 14/6/4 a game on 43/41/87 shooting splits, but has widely been recognized as one of the better guard defenders in the NBA.

I'm not taking this comparison too seriously, but it is a fun narrative.

Yeah you need those kind of tough, unselfish players to win titles. Love the way he moves the ball around and defers to better shooters when possible. And his off-the-ball movement/ athleticism are a problem for opposing defenses.

As Roy noted though his contract is a bit bloated. But, like Al, he's content to excel in his role, which is a skill all in itself. I think a lot of guys put pressure on themselves after they get a big contract and stop doing the little things. That is not the case with White.

[nickagneta]

I was a B at the time and still a B.

Same here.  I voted "B".  I'm not sure if that was a straight B, a B- or a B+.  Right now I'd say B+.  Maybe that should be an A-, though. 

Pluses:  White and Theis are good players and good fits for our team.  They make sense for the team right now and in the future.  White brings an element that has been missing since Horford in terms of an unselfish player who moves the ball seamlessly.  With the team shooting better overall, White's deficiencies aren't as big of a deal.  We're giving up, at worst, the #23 pick this year.

Minuses:  The pick swap still seems irresponsible.  White's contract concerns me a bit.

It looks like pick #26, which is much better than it was at the time of the trade.

[Moranis]

I was a B at the time and still a B.

Same here.  I voted "B".  I'm not sure if that was a straight B, a B- or a B+.  Right now I'd say B+.  Maybe that should be an A-, though. 

Pluses:  White and Theis are good players and good fits for our team.  They make sense for the team right now and in the future.  White brings an element that has been missing since Horford in terms of an unselfish player who moves the ball seamlessly.  With the team shooting better overall, White's deficiencies aren't as big of a deal.  We're giving up, at worst, the #23 pick this year.

Minuses:  The pick swap still seems irresponsible.  White's contract concerns me a bit.

It looks like pick #26, which is much better than it was at the time of the trade.

Yeah, but that isn't the pick that is the real concern.