Celts get Derrick White for Richardson, Langford, #1, 2028 pick swap

[Celtics2021]

Non top 5 draft picks are like new cars....as soon as you buy them/use them, once you drive them off the lot/start to play them, they lose all kinds of value.

Until Covid-19.  Now, some of those cars are retaining 96% of their value three years later, lol.

Amazingly some are worth more than they were when they were bought 3 years ago. 

Yeah, we bought an EV last year.  After taking into account the tax credits we received, we theoretically could resell our car for 125% of what we paid.

Which, maybe we should and buy a new EV this year, getting the tax credits again?

Anyway, draft picks aren’t like new cars these days, unless you draft the right one.

[nickagneta]

Anyone maybe want to change their opinion about this trade?

[gouki88]

Anyone maybe want to change their opinion about this trade?

Richardson has gone for 0, 27, and 11. That kind of streakiness would drive us mad compared to White's steady hand

[Phantom255x]

Anyone maybe want to change their opinion about this trade?

Not until we see what the 2028 pick is 

[Goldstar88]

Anyone maybe want to change their opinion about this trade?

Just checked ESPN. Looks like Richardson in 21mpg is averaging 13.5pts, 2rebs, 1ast while shooting 50% from the field and 54% from 3pt.

Shows White at 24.5mpg and averaging 6pts, 5rebs, 2.5ast while shooting 37.5% from the field, 40% from 3pt.

Both are useful players and comparable, IMO. I like White, but the C’s have a bunch of 1/2’s and could use a Wing like Richardson. He would have been a good use of the TPE.

[gouki88]

Anyone maybe want to change their opinion about this trade?

Just checked ESPN. Looks like Richardson in 21mpg is averaging 13.5pts, 2rebs, 1ast while shooting 50% from the field and 54% from 3pt.

Shows White at 24.5mpg and averaging 6pts, 5rebs, 2.5ast while shooting 37.5% from the field, 40% from 3pt.

Both are useful players and comparable, IMO. I like White, but the C’s have a bunch of 1/2’s and could use a Wing like Richardson. He would have been a good use of the TPE.

That's without White's best game (the current one). Richardson's stats without his best game would be quite bad

[radiohead]

Anyone maybe want to change their opinion about this trade?

Just checked ESPN. Looks like Richardson in 21mpg is averaging 13.5pts, 2rebs, 1ast while shooting 50% from the field and 54% from 3pt.

Shows White at 24.5mpg and averaging 6pts, 5rebs, 2.5ast while shooting 37.5% from the field, 40% from 3pt.

Both are useful players and comparable, IMO. I like White, but the C’s have a bunch of 1/2’s and could use a Wing like Richardson. He would have been a good use of the TPE.

That's without White's best game (the current one). Richardson's stats without his best game would be quite bad

I think White is more valuable to us since he can play both guard spots.

[Goldstar88]

Anyone maybe want to change their opinion about this trade?

Just checked ESPN. Looks like Richardson in 21mpg is averaging 13.5pts, 2rebs, 1ast while shooting 50% from the field and 54% from 3pt.

Shows White at 24.5mpg and averaging 6pts, 5rebs, 2.5ast while shooting 37.5% from the field, 40% from 3pt.

Both are useful players and comparable, IMO. I like White, but the C’s have a bunch of 1/2’s and could use a Wing like Richardson. He would have been a good use of the TPE.

That's without White's best game (the current one). Richardson's stats without his best game would be quite bad

Richardson has played 66mins through 3 games and scored 27, 0, 11.

White has played 86mins through 3 games and scored 2, 10, 27.

I think they are pretty comparable.

[slamtheking]

Anyone maybe want to change their opinion about this trade?

Just checked ESPN. Looks like Richardson in 21mpg is averaging 13.5pts, 2rebs, 1ast while shooting 50% from the field and 54% from 3pt.

Shows White at 24.5mpg and averaging 6pts, 5rebs, 2.5ast while shooting 37.5% from the field, 40% from 3pt.

Both are useful players and comparable, IMO. I like White, but the C’s have a bunch of 1/2’s and could use a Wing like Richardson. He would have been a good use of the TPE.

That's without White's best game (the current one). Richardson's stats without his best game would be quite bad

Richardson has played 66mins through 3 games and scored 27, 0, 11.

White has played 86mins through 3 games and scored 2, 10, 27.

I think they are pretty comparable.

hence the angst about that trade with the C's throwing in a swing prospect, a first rounder and a pick swap.

tonight was a great game for him but I'm still critical of what we paid to get him.  if he keeps this up and Richardson swoons and Romeo gets cut from the Spurs, I'll re-evaluate.

[Neurotic Guy]

Anyone maybe want to change their opinion about this trade?

Just checked ESPN. Looks like Richardson in 21mpg is averaging 13.5pts, 2rebs, 1ast while shooting 50% from the field and 54% from 3pt.

Shows White at 24.5mpg and averaging 6pts, 5rebs, 2.5ast while shooting 37.5% from the field, 40% from 3pt.

Both are useful players and comparable, IMO. I like White, but the C’s have a bunch of 1/2’s and could use a Wing like Richardson. He would have been a good use of the TPE.

That's without White's best game (the current one). Richardson's stats without his best game would be quite bad

Richardson has played 66mins through 3 games and scored 27, 0, 11.

White has played 86mins through 3 games and scored 2, 10, 27.

I think they are pretty comparable.

Well what more proof is needed - 3 games in which they’ve scored similar points. 

The only thing that kept JRich in the conversation last year was 3-point shooting.  We’ll see if DW can maintain a decent 3-point %. If so, Derrick helps the team much more. My eyes tell me White does more for this team than JR is capable of.

[gouki88]

Anyone maybe want to change their opinion about this trade?

Just checked ESPN. Looks like Richardson in 21mpg is averaging 13.5pts, 2rebs, 1ast while shooting 50% from the field and 54% from 3pt.

Shows White at 24.5mpg and averaging 6pts, 5rebs, 2.5ast while shooting 37.5% from the field, 40% from 3pt.

Both are useful players and comparable, IMO. I like White, but the C’s have a bunch of 1/2’s and could use a Wing like Richardson. He would have been a good use of the TPE.

That's without White's best game (the current one). Richardson's stats without his best game would be quite bad

Richardson has played 66mins through 3 games and scored 27, 0, 11.

White has played 86mins through 3 games and scored 2, 10, 27.

I think they are pretty comparable.

Well what more proof is needed - 3 games in which they’ve scored similar points. 

The only thing that kept JRich in the conversation last year was 3-point shooting.  We’ll see if DW can maintain a decent 3-point %. If so, Derrick helps the team much more. My eyes tell me White does more for this team than JR is capable of.

Absolutely. The only category White was behind Richardson in was shooting. His defence, passing, ball-handling and movement is all significantly better.

[jambr380]

Kind-of a lame time to bring it up, but yeah, I think everybody is happy with White's production last night.

The problem with White, though, was his rough playoff performance last year. I'm not saying JRich would have lit it up, but we know for a fact that White did not. It's entirely possible switching the two could have equaled a Title for us. We were leading the Warriors in game 4 with under 5 minutes to go and could have gone up 3-1 in the series. Certainly not placing all the blame on White, but any number of things could have gone different in that game and we would be talking about the champion Cs right now.

Edit: Just looked it up, White went 4-12 (3-5 from 3!) in game 4 with 1reb/1ast and was a -19. Again, I realize you can't pin it all down to one game since any number of things could have gone differently throughout the rest of the playoffs, but it's not like White otherwise killed it.

[CelticsWhat35]

Kind-of a lame time to bring it up, but yeah, I think everybody is happy with White's production last night.

The problem with White, though, was his rough playoff performance last year. I'm not saying JRich would have lit it up, but we know for a fact that White did not. It's entirely possible switching the two could have equaled a Title for us. We were leading the Warriors in game 4 with under 5 minutes to go and could have gone up 3-1 in the series. Certainly not placing all the blame on White, but any number of things could have gone different in that game and we would be talking about the champion Cs right now.

Edit: Just looked it up, White went 4-12 (3-5 from 3!) in game 4 with 1reb/1ast and was a -19. Again, I realize you can't pin it all down to one game since any number of things could have gone differently throughout the rest of the playoffs, but it's not like White otherwise killed it.

Definitely an odd time to bring it up and even more ridiculous to assert that Josh Richardson would’ve brought them a title.  We weren’t winning anything with the way Tatum played in the Finals, pure and simple.

[Sophomore]

Richardson is a good player. But when White plays to his potential he’s a better fit for this team’s needs. He is probably our quickest decision maker - the ball just doesn’t stick to him - and he makes good decisions that help ensure the ball keeps moving. If he’s also hitting threes and taking it to the rim? That guy is exactly what we need.

[jambr380]

Kind-of a lame time to bring it up, but yeah, I think everybody is happy with White's production last night.

The problem with White, though, was his rough playoff performance last year. I'm not saying JRich would have lit it up, but we know for a fact that White did not. It's entirely possible switching the two could have equaled a Title for us. We were leading the Warriors in game 4 with under 5 minutes to go and could have gone up 3-1 in the series. Certainly not placing all the blame on White, but any number of things could have gone different in that game and we would be talking about the champion Cs right now.

Edit: Just looked it up, White went 4-12 (3-5 from 3!) in game 4 with 1reb/1ast and was a -19. Again, I realize you can't pin it all down to one game since any number of things could have gone differently throughout the rest of the playoffs, but it's not like White otherwise killed it.

Definitely an odd time to bring it up and even more ridiculous to assert that Josh Richardson would’ve brought them a title.  We weren’t winning anything with the way Tatum played in the Finals, pure and simple.

Not an odd time to bring it up at all. Nick posted an I told you so message after White had one good game; I was just explaining that it's going to take a lot more than that for people to completely change their minds about the trade since the reason he was brought in (to bolster our playoff rotation), he kind-of failed at.

And I don't even hate the trade. White is a productive, hard-working player who fits well within our offensive and defensive schemes. I am just not going to celebrate after one good game, but obviously glad he came through the way he did last night. We are going to need him.