I like JRich and think he's a good compliment to the team

Yup. You're all alone.

Fair point. Nothing but respect.

I sleep on the couch many nights … so I totally get having my point of view not adopted by others.

I'm with you. Dump the unnecessary guys for whatever assets we can get to better build a title contender. I couldn't care less about a difference of a couple of regular season wins.

There's a difference between trading guys to get under the tax, or to open up minutes for players, and just waiving the white flag for no reason. If we got something in return it would be different.

The scenario you described wouldn't even set us up for a better next year.

I’m with you. I don’t mind the losses this year as much anymore tbh. I don’t even mind missing the play-in but with other teams in free fall and our main guys being healthy, it’s not going to be possible. If anything, we look like we’re headed for a top 6 seed, which would’ve been unthinkable a month ago

Quote from: Surferdad on February 08, 2022, 07:27:46 PM

Quote from: BoulderMike on February 08, 2022, 06:51:53 PM

Quote from: nickagneta on February 08, 2022, 06:47:46 PM

Yup. You're all alone.

Fair point. Nothing but respect.

I sleep on the couch many nights … so I totally get having my point of view not adopted by others.

You may be only one, but that's because you are not expecting anything in return.  I mean, at least get a body or two to help with this playoff push because that's exactly why DS will not be traded and likely why J-Rich will not be traded.  c's have a good thing going right now. They are blowing out teams (don't bring up level of competition, these are NBA teams).  They have the best defensive rating since early January.  The playoffs are very important the Jays.  I want to protect those two guys more than anything else.

You don't protect them by prioritizing the short term results over the long term results. You keep them here by prioritizing medium to long term Championship hopes over short term playoff runs.

Having this incorrect focus is how teams lose their star players. They waste their assets on short term needs instead of having a long term focus.

Seems you have decided that giving the young guys playing time guarantees they develop into something better than the players you are trading away. That simply isn't a guarantee.

Trading away good players to give young players playing time to develop may result in the fans knowing something the coaches and organization already know, that the three young guys are never going to be good enough to be playoff rotational players.

Why do fans always assume that just playing young guys develops them? Why do fans need to be shown certain young players suck and just won't accept that coaches and GMs see players in practices and scrimmages all the time and have a much better handle on how good players are that aren't getting playing time?

I have seen little to nothing that convinced me that any of the three young players will make a jump to be as good as Richardson and Schröder anytime before their rookie deal is done, regardless of how much playing time they get.

The time for developing 3-6 young players on the roster is OVER! It's time to surround the Jays with other stars and veteran playoff caliber rotational pieces, not players with possibly little to no developmental arc that could very well turn into a complete nothingburger.