Would you trade Jaylen Brown for Ben Simmons

[todd_days_41]

I voted yes and I can not understand why any of you wouldn’t.

Ben Simmons was a 3x all star and won roty in 4 seasons.

Yes he had issues with shooting but this is a guy who averaged 16/8/8 and noticeably changed the game in all facets.

When you say "issues with shooting" -- do you mean like when he passed out of a dunk in the 4th Q of a tight playoff game because he was nervous he might... ya know.... miss it? Like those kinda issues?

And then Enbiid was a meany pants to him and he didn't like it so he took his $38MM ball and went home for a year 

The 76ers did not lose that series because Simmons passed on a dunk. How does a #1 seed go 1-3 at home in a playoff series, including losing games 1 and 7 on their home court? Embiid and Doc made it seem like the season ended because Simmons passed on that one dunk. They took no accountability for losing that series themselves, but found a scapegoat.

I’m so tired of people who assume the common media infused propaganda of a situation represented wrongfully. Ben Simmons didn’t pass up a dunk. He spun away from a defender (Gallo), mis-dribbled and ran into another player who in the blink of an eye was a defender he clearly could’ve dunked on (Trey). If that help defender was Collins which it should have been, we would be praising him for the dish. He dished to a driving player (Thybulle) who he thought had a clear path to a layup which he did but Gallo weak side defended him and ended up fouling Thybulle. I never saw this as bad as the media saw it.

Watch the clip: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-EHA4UhYuQY

But still his shooting is deficient. I do agree that this is the area of his game that needs improvement.

But if you have a re-draft right now I bet more than 50% of the league drafts Simmons before Jaylen.

If you're tired of it, stop suggesting the Cs trade Jaylen Brown for him. There is nothing media infused about the fact that Simmons: a) cannot shoot outside of a dunk, and b) he's sitting at home right now doing nothing because he can't figure out what to do about it.

You're the only one who voted yes in your poll.....

[nickagneta]

I voted yes and I can not understand why any of you wouldn’t.

Ben Simmons was a 3x all star and won roty in 4 seasons.

Yes he had issues with shooting but this is a guy who averaged 16/8/8 and noticeably changed the game in all facets.

When you say "issues with shooting" -- do you mean like when he passed out of a dunk in the 4th Q of a tight playoff game because he was nervous he might... ya know.... miss it? Like those kinda issues?

And then Enbiid was a meany pants to him and he didn't like it so he took his $38MM ball and went home for a year 

The 76ers did not lose that series because Simmons passed on a dunk. How does a #1 seed go 1-3 at home in a playoff series, including losing games 1 and 7 on their home court? Embiid and Doc made it seem like the season ended because Simmons passed on that one dunk. They took no accountability for losing that series themselves, but found a scapegoat.

I’m so tired of people who assume the common media infused propaganda of a situation represented wrongfully. Ben Simmons didn’t pass up a dunk. He spun away from a defender (Gallo) and into another player who in the blink of an eye was a defender he clearly could’ve dunked on (Trey). He dished to a driving player (Thybulle) who he thought had a clear path to a layup which he did but Gallo weak side defended him and ended up fouling Thybulle. I never saw this as bad as the media saw it.

Watch the clip: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-EHA4UhYuQY

But still his shooting is deficient. I do agree that this is the area of his game that needs improvement.

But if you have a re-draft right now I bet more than 50% of the league drafts Simmons before Jaylen.

I would take that bet.

Simmons isn't all that different than the player he was when he turned pro. He won't shoot outside 5 feet. His free throw shooting is so bad he can't be played late in close games for fear of a Hack-a-Ben strategy being used. He is mentally weak.

Jaylen can score on all three levels and is a top 10-15 scorer in the league. He is a plus defender 1-4. He is a more than plus rebounder for a SG. And he shows up big time in the playoffs. He is also on a bargain contract.

Since you are talking re-draft, throw out all the accolades for both and ask based on their current game, current makeup, their development arc and contract, who would you take first in a re-draft, and I would bet over 80% of the league takes Brown. Maybe higher. Maybe pretty easily higher.

And I also bet Simmons wouldn't even be the #2 guy selected. Cases can be made Sabonis, Siakam, and Murray should be taken before Simmons.

Simmons is a very flawed player that has to be used in a certain way, in certain systems to maximize his use, otherwise he will hurt the team in certain, very important situations.

The shine of his unique skills that garnered him All-Star selections is gone. The players I mentioned are probably players teams would want on their team before Simmons. His game, his makeup, his mental toughness and his value have been exposed. GMs simply are not lining up to trade for him given his availability.

If Brown was made as available in a trade as Simmons currently is, there would be a huge bidding war that Brad could take advantage of. That ain't happening in Philly.

[Sophomore]

Maybe if the package included a bona fide shooter or an unprotected pick or something.

I think we overrate Jaylen. I love him as a player and as a person and think he will continue to refine his game. But the operative word here is “refine.” He is not going to become a playmaker. He will have outlier games where he gets double-digit assists but the difference between the PG/Kawhi comparisons for our star wings is that Jaylen is not a playmaker. He’s more Middleton than George or Butler. Maybe a better Middleton but he is not currently a perennial all-star.

Simmons is. He’s a DPOY contender and could have won it last season. I think he finished second. He’s an all-NBA level talent. Jaylen isn’t.

That said, the FT% is trouble. I don’t care about 3s but would like him to be able to hit a passable FT% in the playoffs.

I’ll conclude by saying that this franchise has had an all-nba level PG who was hardheaded, couldn’t shoot, and brilliant when he was dialed in. Rondo did just fine here.

However…

When Simmons shows up big in a playoff series I might be interested. A PG who can’t shoot - like, at all - and who fades in big games is not a guy to give a max deal to if you have title hopes. When you’re playing a good team that can game plan for him he’s not a star anymore. We had Philly’s number in the playoffs and Simmons had a lot to do with it. Just don’t let him score in transition- build a wall - and their offense is in trouble.

That he has refused to grow his game and doesn’t seem to care about losing this year doesn’t make me think he’s ready to play well in the spotlight. We should JKJB, but if you are absolutely determined to trade him can we get a guy who plays big in playoff games and isn’t one-dimensional on offense?

Simmons did not play in the 2020 playoffs, he was injured.

In 2018 he was 16/9+/7+, and in 2019 he was 14/7/6 with excellent defense and second-round exits in both cases.

In the lone Boston series, he laid a real egg in one game — 1/5/7. In the other 4 games he averaged around 18/9/6.

I think we have hyper-focused on his meltdown against Atlanta and have thus ignored the rest of his resume, which is that if an all-nba, all-defense playmaker who is a gifted passer and in the fast break.

Look I’m not clamoring for a Brown-Simmons trade but I’m not gonna just ignore that or claim that Jaylen is obviously the better player. It’s swung too far in the other direction.

I do think it hurt Philly in crunch time that he could not shoot, regardless of the stats. I think if he’s out there with Rob we have a heck of a defense - and a lot of trouble scoring against good teams in the playoffs. And I’m sincere in asking if he really wants all the pressure and adversity that comes with being a max player in the NBA.

[keevsnick]

No, in fact I would stop watching the Celtics if they made that trade.

Look, I have eyes. I saw what happened to Simmons last playoffs. Just as important I find him immensely dislikable.

[slamtheking]

I voted maybe.

Maybe, if the package included Embiid.

Otherwise never

this.  if they want to unload Simmons, they can send Embiid for the price of that.

[liam]

This works in trade machine.

I'd do this: Simmons, Thybulle, Maxey, Reed, and Bassey for Brown, Freedom, Schroder, Romeo and Bruno.

Maybe, I'd hate to see Jaylen go.

"Philadelphia has made no secret that Beal is on its short list of players for whom it would trade disgruntled guard Ben Simmons, who has sat out all season. But the 76ers won’t include an additional piece, such as exciting young guard Tyrese Maxey, along with Simmons in a potential trade for Beal, per league sources. Philly has similarly held firm that it won’t put third-year forward Matisse Thybulle, a terrific wing defender, in a Simmons package.  [theathletic.com]"