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Re: Hoopshype Idea: Schroder to Chicago
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2022, 12:05:29 PM »

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A second for Schroder sounds fine to me. Marcus is the PG the rest of this year. Schroder isn’t as good, can’t play with Smart, and for some reason has terrible splits when he’s the backup. He walks at the end of the year. Get something for him and play Pritchard - or if you’re out on Pritchard try to get a decent backup PG who can play some D and won’t turn it over.

Do you think Schroder has any on-court value to the team?  Does moving him hurt our chances in a playoff series?

Schroder is better than Pritchard so yes, there is some on court value there.  Since Smart has come back and we are more or less full strength, Schroder has been playing a true back up role of 15-20 min per night.  Pritchard could pick that up and it wouldn't a big difference but there would be some on-court loss.

That said, I still see no reason to trade Schroder (or anyone else) just to do a trade.  I am not sure a second is worth it.  I am not going to get all that worked up about it either way though.

I think a lot depends on what you think of Pritchard. Schroder’s splits as a reserve are not good and he wrecks the offense when he plays with smart and the starters. So my guess is that if Pritchard takes his minutes we will not be worse off.  But if you don’t like Pritchard I bet you can still dump Schroder and get similar production from a cheaper backup - which will also lead to Ime not leaning on Schroder as a “vet” when he shouldn’t. And I’d rather get the 2d than not.

The one thing Schroder doesn't seem to wreck is playing with the starters without Smart.  The lineup is less successful than with Smart, but if you got to the postseason and Smart sprained an ankle for a couple of games, I'd feel better with Schroder as the reserve PG moving into the starting lineup than with Pritchard.  Additionally, there has to be a level you say "no" to for a trade, for future negotiation purposes.  For those two reasons, if a distant second is all they can get, then they should just keep him.  I think there are enough teams out there looking for a low-salary PG for 20 minutes a night that Schroder should be able to get back more than that.  If Chicago is offering 2nds in '26 and '27, then yes, I'm on board.  But not just a 2026 2nd, that's below the line of being worth it, and I say this who's been complaining about Schroder since early November at the latest.

Re: Hoopshype Idea: Schroder to Chicago
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2022, 01:21:20 PM »

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A second for Schroder sounds fine to me. Marcus is the PG the rest of this year. Schroder isn’t as good, can’t play with Smart, and for some reason has terrible splits when he’s the backup. He walks at the end of the year. Get something for him and play Pritchard - or if you’re out on Pritchard try to get a decent backup PG who can play some D and won’t turn it over.

Do you think Schroder has any on-court value to the team?  Does moving him hurt our chances in a playoff series?

Schroder is better than Pritchard so yes, there is some on court value there.  Since Smart has come back and we are more or less full strength, Schroder has been playing a true back up role of 15-20 min per night.  Pritchard could pick that up and it wouldn't a big difference but there would be some on-court loss.

That said, I still see no reason to trade Schroder (or anyone else) just to do a trade.  I am not sure a second is worth it.  I am not going to get all that worked up about it either way though.

I think a lot depends on what you think of Pritchard. Schroder’s splits as a reserve are not good and he wrecks the offense when he plays with smart and the starters. So my guess is that if Pritchard takes his minutes we will not be worse off.  But if you don’t like Pritchard I bet you can still dump Schroder and get similar production from a cheaper backup - which will also lead to Ime not leaning on Schroder as a “vet” when he shouldn’t. And I’d rather get the 2d than not.

The one thing Schroder doesn't seem to wreck is playing with the starters without Smart.  The lineup is less successful than with Smart, but if you got to the postseason and Smart sprained an ankle for a couple of games, I'd feel better with Schroder as the reserve PG moving into the starting lineup than with Pritchard.  Additionally, there has to be a level you say "no" to for a trade, for future negotiation purposes.  For those two reasons, if a distant second is all they can get, then they should just keep him.  I think there are enough teams out there looking for a low-salary PG for 20 minutes a night that Schroder should be able to get back more than that.  If Chicago is offering 2nds in '26 and '27, then yes, I'm on board.  But not just a 2026 2nd, that's below the line of being worth it, and I say this who's been complaining about Schroder since early November at the latest.
Pritchard has had a few moments, but mainly has been underwhelming in the RS. He dribbles too much and when not dribbling, he plays 'hot potato' with the ball rather than looking for his shot.  This is after he looked like the 2nd coming of Steph Curry in SL.  I'm trying to like the kid as he has potential and went through a good college program....

Re: Hoopshype Idea: Schroder to Chicago
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2022, 01:23:33 PM »

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A second for Schroder sounds fine to me. Marcus is the PG the rest of this year. Schroder isn’t as good, can’t play with Smart, and for some reason has terrible splits when he’s the backup. He walks at the end of the year. Get something for him and play Pritchard - or if you’re out on Pritchard try to get a decent backup PG who can play some D and won’t turn it over.

Do you think Schroder has any on-court value to the team?  Does moving him hurt our chances in a playoff series?

Schroder is better than Pritchard so yes, there is some on court value there.  Since Smart has come back and we are more or less full strength, Schroder has been playing a true back up role of 15-20 min per night.  Pritchard could pick that up and it wouldn't a big difference but there would be some on-court loss.

That said, I still see no reason to trade Schroder (or anyone else) just to do a trade.  I am not sure a second is worth it.  I am not going to get all that worked up about it either way though.

I think a lot depends on what you think of Pritchard. Schroder’s splits as a reserve are not good and he wrecks the offense when he plays with smart and the starters. So my guess is that if Pritchard takes his minutes we will not be worse off.  But if you don’t like Pritchard I bet you can still dump Schroder and get similar production from a cheaper backup - which will also lead to Ime not leaning on Schroder as a “vet” when he shouldn’t. And I’d rather get the 2d than not.

The one thing Schroder doesn't seem to wreck is playing with the starters without Smart.  The lineup is less successful than with Smart, but if you got to the postseason and Smart sprained an ankle for a couple of games, I'd feel better with Schroder as the reserve PG moving into the starting lineup than with Pritchard.  Additionally, there has to be a level you say "no" to for a trade, for future negotiation purposes.  For those two reasons, if a distant second is all they can get, then they should just keep him.  I think there are enough teams out there looking for a low-salary PG for 20 minutes a night that Schroder should be able to get back more than that.  If Chicago is offering 2nds in '26 and '27, then yes, I'm on board.  But not just a 2026 2nd, that's below the line of being worth it, and I say this who's been complaining about Schroder since early November at the latest.

I’d agree Schroder as a starter in Smart’s absence is very likely better than Pritchard. Keeping him as an insurance policy means you don’t play Pritchard, which I don’t love, and any value he could bring in a trade. A distant second is not a whole lot of value, I’ll admit, and if that’s all they can get I’ll understand no trade.

Re: Hoopshype Idea: Schroder to Chicago
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2022, 02:53:06 AM »

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A second for Schroder sounds fine to me. Marcus is the PG the rest of this year. Schroder isn’t as good, can’t play with Smart, and for some reason has terrible splits when he’s the backup. He walks at the end of the year. Get something for him and play Pritchard - or if you’re out on Pritchard try to get a decent backup PG who can play some D and won’t turn it over.

I disagree with the sentiment that Schroeder isn't as good as Smart. 

If I had to lock in one of those guys as my stating PG for he next 5 years, I'd take Schroeder over Smart all day every day.

Re: Hoopshype Idea: Schroder to Chicago
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2022, 06:06:44 AM »

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Add what it takes to get White who can play PG.

Love Coby, but that's the opposite type of PG this team needs.

We need talent and he is an upgrade over quite a few of the guys we have.   There are a handful of ideal PGs in the NBA, good luck finding one...

Re: Hoopshype Idea: Schroder to Chicago
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2022, 06:18:05 AM »

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I don’t think Schroder gets a Brinks truck day anywhere

Maybe a Krispy Kreme day

Re: Hoopshype Idea: Schroder to Chicago
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2022, 06:18:45 AM »

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A second for Schroder sounds fine to me. Marcus is the PG the rest of this year. Schroder isn’t as good, can’t play with Smart, and for some reason has terrible splits when he’s the backup. He walks at the end of the year. Get something for him and play Pritchard - or if you’re out on Pritchard try to get a decent backup PG who can play some D and won’t turn it over.

I disagree with the sentiment that Schroeder isn't as good as Smart. 

If I had to lock in one of those guys as my stating PG for he next 5 years, I'd take Schroeder over Smart all day every day.

We will be lucky to get a 2d round pick for Schroder. No team with playoff aspirations wants to hand him the keys. Smart has been the key to our recent good play.

Re: Hoopshype Idea: Schroder to Chicago
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2022, 07:36:44 AM »

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Darn, many saying no, not enough, but I'd do it.  Re-unites him with PP where together they averaged 25+PPG at Oregon.
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Re: Hoopshype Idea: Schroder to Chicago
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2022, 01:32:59 PM »

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If a Schroder to CHI happens it will probably be centered around the Cs taking back Troy Brown Jr and then in a second trade sending Dozier or Bol into their TE for they got for trading Theis to keep both teams below the tax. 

There may be second round pick in the mix also.

Edit: added clarity to TE.
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Re: Hoopshype Idea: Schroder to Chicago
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2022, 02:14:31 PM »

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Schroder to CHINA

Re: Hoopshype Idea: Schroder to Chicago
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2022, 02:49:54 PM »

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The Boston Celtics’ priority, according to multiple sources, is to clear salary to save on the luxury tax. There are two offers on the table for Dennis Schröder according to multiple sources, one from the Milwaukee Bucks and another from the Chicago Bulls.
– via Matt Moore @ Action Network

First, I have no idea what the Action Network is.  His other rumors seem like nonsense (Rockets have multiple offers for Gordon that include a #1; Pelicans are telling teams that Jonas V is "off limits" despite him not being able to be traded this year, etc.)

Anybody want to speculate on what the Bucks might be offering?


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Re: Hoopshype Idea: Schroder to Chicago
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2022, 02:53:34 PM »

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The Boston Celtics’ priority, according to multiple sources, is to clear salary to save on the luxury tax. There are two offers on the table for Dennis Schröder according to multiple sources, one from the Milwaukee Bucks and another from the Chicago Bulls.
– via Matt Moore @ Action Network

First, I have no idea what the Action Network is.

Anybody want to speculate on what the Bucks might be offering?

I really hope it’s DiVincenzo.  Salary is a perfect fit (45k more than the minimum the Bucks would need to send out for Schröder).

Re: Hoopshype Idea: Schroder to Chicago
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2022, 02:58:49 PM »

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If a Schroder to CHI happens it will probably be centered around the Cs taking back Troy Brown Jr and the in a second trade sending Dozier or Bol into their TE for Thies to keep both teams below the tax. 

There may be second round pick in the mix also.


Getting Theis back would be great, and a very Stevens move.

Re: Hoopshype Idea: Schroder to Chicago
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2022, 03:01:22 PM »

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If a Schroder to CHI happens it will probably be centered around the Cs taking back Troy Brown Jr and the in a second trade sending Dozier or Bol into their TE for Thies to keep both teams below the tax. 

There may be second round pick in the mix also.


Getting Theis back would be great, and a very Stevens move.

Does Brown + Theis for Schroder + Bol save us money?

Edit:  Not Theis, the TPE they go for Theis.  Got it.


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Re: Hoopshype Idea: Schroder to Chicago
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2022, 03:02:52 PM »

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For Bulls:

Schroder and Bruno for Ayo and Troy Brown. Saves us $1.5 mil, we find a taker for Dozier and we’re under the tax.

They won’t do it but it’s nice to dream.

For Bucks:

Hill makes $1.5 less than Schroder. Donte, Pat C, and Grayson are all in the compatible range to Schroder but would require us to add draft capital so I don’t see them making much sense for us.