Sabonis Rumor/Idea

[makaveli]

Getting Sabonis is my wet dream at this point.

If we could move Al, Nesmith and or Langford plus two 1st's that would put us in the contention for years to come.

think about it, we would have some of the best contracts in league in Jaylen, Jason, Smart, Sabonis and Timelord.

I would have no problem giving out 1st rounders for the next couple of years.

[Roy H.]

I think they need Robert Williams from the C's and frankly I'd rather trade them Smart than Horford. 

Smart, Williams, 22 1st for Sabonis works.  Could also add in McConnell and Schroder if they want to move off his contract and then Boston gets a long term back-up/spot starter in McConnell.  Either way Boston does add some salary this year, but I think that is a cleaner trade that makes more sense.   Can still move Horford as well if the aim is to drop salary.

In the off-season I’d offer Horford, Smart and three #1s for Sabonis and Brogdon.

[Who]

I think they need Robert Williams from the C's and frankly I'd rather trade them Smart than Horford. 

Smart, Williams, 22 1st for Sabonis works.  Could also add in McConnell and Schroder if they want to move off his contract and then Boston gets a long term back-up/spot starter in McConnell.  Either way Boston does add some salary this year, but I think that is a cleaner trade that makes more sense.   Can still move Horford as well if the aim is to drop salary.

I like that. Keep Horford & future picks to make a 2nd subsequent trade for a 4th star talent. Maybe someone like McCollum.

Tatum, Jaylen, D.Sabonis & 4th star.

That is a Championship caliber foursome to build around.

[Moranis]

I think they need Robert Williams from the C's and frankly I'd rather trade them Smart than Horford. 

Smart, Williams, 22 1st for Sabonis works.  Could also add in McConnell and Schroder if they want to move off his contract and then Boston gets a long term back-up/spot starter in McConnell.  Either way Boston does add some salary this year, but I think that is a cleaner trade that makes more sense.   Can still move Horford as well if the aim is to drop salary.

That's fine and all, but that trade is nothing like the Vucevic trade which is what the rumor and idea are based on.

Much closer to the spirit of the Vucevic trade than what you proposed, especially value wise. 

[Celtics2021]

I think they need Robert Williams from the C's and frankly I'd rather trade them Smart than Horford. 

Smart, Williams, 22 1st for Sabonis works.  Could also add in McConnell and Schroder if they want to move off his contract and then Boston gets a long term back-up/spot starter in McConnell.  Either way Boston does add some salary this year, but I think that is a cleaner trade that makes more sense.   Can still move Horford as well if the aim is to drop salary.

That's fine and all, but that trade is nothing like the Vucevic trade which is what the rumor and idea are based on.

Much closer to the spirit of the Vucevic trade than what you proposed, especially value wise.

No it isn’t.  The Vucevic trade was a tear-down trade focused on draft picks, a prospect that hadn’t yet clicked, and long-term salary relief.  It was a clear rebuild trade.  Your idea is centered on the Pacers getting two starter-level players under contact for the next 4.5 seasons.  It’s a very different concept.

To be clear, I’d be surprised if the Pacers went into a tear-down, as they’ve resisted doing that for years.  But that’s what the Vucevic trade was structured for, and thus what my idea was based on.

[Moranis]

I think they need Robert Williams from the C's and frankly I'd rather trade them Smart than Horford. 

Smart, Williams, 22 1st for Sabonis works.  Could also add in McConnell and Schroder if they want to move off his contract and then Boston gets a long term back-up/spot starter in McConnell.  Either way Boston does add some salary this year, but I think that is a cleaner trade that makes more sense.   Can still move Horford as well if the aim is to drop salary.

That's fine and all, but that trade is nothing like the Vucevic trade which is what the rumor and idea are based on.

Much closer to the spirit of the Vucevic trade than what you proposed, especially value wise.

No it isn’t.  The Vucevic trade was a tear-down trade focused on draft picks, a prospect that hadn’t yet clicked, and long-term salary relief.  It was a clear rebuild trade.  Your idea is centered on the Pacers getting two starter-level players under contact for the next 4.5 seasons.  It’s a very different concept.

To be clear, I’d be surprised if the Pacers went into a tear-down, as they’ve resisted doing that for years.  But that’s what the Vucevic trade was structured for, and thus what my idea was based on.

Carter, Jr. and Williams were in the same draft class.  Now sure the trade was last year, but it doesn't change the experience factor.  And the Magic went and extended Carter this past off season for a contract larger than Williams.  you see they don't make that trade if they had no intention of re-signing him and unlike WCJ, RW3 has certainty in his contract thus making it far more valuable.  Obviously Otto Porter was an expiring contract, but Horford isn't one of those either.  He is in fact has a big contract this year and next year and even if they cut him, they pay a lot of dead money.  The Magic got 2 1st round picks, and yes the one ended up being 8th, but that could never have been what they thought at the time as Chicago actually got worse after the trade.  That trade obviously had the extra 1st, but I'd argue Smart is worth the extra 1st, so I do think it is actually the type of trade that they would look at. 

[BruceBanner18]

I think they need Robert Williams from the C's and frankly I'd rather trade them Smart than Horford. 

Smart, Williams, 22 1st for Sabonis works.  Could also add in McConnell and Schroder if they want to move off his contract and then Boston gets a long term back-up/spot starter in McConnell.  Either way Boston does add some salary this year, but I think that is a cleaner trade that makes more sense.   Can still move Horford as well if the aim is to drop salary.

That's fine and all, but that trade is nothing like the Vucevic trade which is what the rumor and idea are based on.

Much closer to the spirit of the Vucevic trade than what you proposed, especially value wise.

No it isn’t.  The Vucevic trade was a tear-down trade focused on draft picks, a prospect that hadn’t yet clicked, and long-term salary relief.  It was a clear rebuild trade.  Your idea is centered on the Pacers getting two starter-level players under contact for the next 4.5 seasons.  It’s a very different concept.

To be clear, I’d be surprised if the Pacers went into a tear-down, as they’ve resisted doing that for years.  But that’s what the Vucevic trade was structured for, and thus what my idea was based on.

Carter, Jr. and Williams were in the same draft class.  Now sure the trade was last year, but it doesn't change the experience factor.  And the Magic went and extended Carter this past off season for a contract larger than Williams.  you see they don't make that trade if they had no intention of re-signing him and unlike WCJ, RW3 has certainty in his contract thus making it far more valuable.  Obviously Otto Porter was an expiring contract, but Horford isn't one of those either.  He is in fact has a big contract this year and next year and even if they cut him, they pay a lot of dead money.  The Magic got 2 1st round picks, and yes the one ended up being 8th, but that could never have been what they thought at the time as Chicago actually got worse after the trade.  That trade obviously had the extra 1st, but I'd argue Smart is worth the extra 1st, so I do think it is actually the type of trade that they would look at.

Giving up a lot of defense in Williams and Smart. I see Sabonis as a center so trading Williams, Richardson, Schroder and 2 FRP for Sabonis is very similar to the Vucevic trade.

There would need to be follow up moves but we'd be limited with assets to get the supporting cast. I love the idea of Sabonis but it's risky bc a lot of eggs would be going into his basket.

[sgrogan]

I don't see why any non-contender would take Horford.
I don't think anyone is paying him 26.5M next year.
He's owed 14.5M no matter what.

Would you take player x guaranteed 14.5M next season, NO WAY
Would you take Al's expiring contract, SURE
Same thing.

[Neurotic Guy]

I think they need Robert Williams from the C's and frankly I'd rather trade them Smart than Horford. 

Smart, Williams, 22 1st for Sabonis works.  Could also add in McConnell and Schroder if they want to move off his contract and then Boston gets a long term back-up/spot starter in McConnell.  Either way Boston does add some salary this year, but I think that is a cleaner trade that makes more sense.   Can still move Horford as well if the aim is to drop salary.

That's fine and all, but that trade is nothing like the Vucevic trade which is what the rumor and idea are based on.

Much closer to the spirit of the Vucevic trade than what you proposed, especially value wise.

No it isn’t.  The Vucevic trade was a tear-down trade focused on draft picks, a prospect that hadn’t yet clicked, and long-term salary relief.  It was a clear rebuild trade.  Your idea is centered on the Pacers getting two starter-level players under contact for the next 4.5 seasons.  It’s a very different concept.

To be clear, I’d be surprised if the Pacers went into a tear-down, as they’ve resisted doing that for years.  But that’s what the Vucevic trade was structured for, and thus what my idea was based on.

Carter, Jr. and Williams were in the same draft class.  Now sure the trade was last year, but it doesn't change the experience factor.  And the Magic went and extended Carter this past off season for a contract larger than Williams.  you see they don't make that trade if they had no intention of re-signing him and unlike WCJ, RW3 has certainty in his contract thus making it far more valuable.  Obviously Otto Porter was an expiring contract, but Horford isn't one of those either.  He is in fact has a big contract this year and next year and even if they cut him, they pay a lot of dead money.  The Magic got 2 1st round picks, and yes the one ended up being 8th, but that could never have been what they thought at the time as Chicago actually got worse after the trade.  That trade obviously had the extra 1st, but I'd argue Smart is worth the extra 1st, so I do think it is actually the type of trade that they would look at.

Giving up a lot of defense in Williams and Smart. I see Sabonis as a center so trading Williams, Richardson, Schroder and 2 FRP for Sabonis is very similar to the Vucevic trade.

There would need to be follow up moves but we'd be limited with assets to get the supporting cast. I love the idea of Sabonis but it's risky bc a lot of eggs would be going into his basket.

Like everyone I hate the idea of giving Rob but you have to give to get. Rob has found it difficult to stay on the court and even though he has a high ceiling in terms of ability to impact a game, you have to be healthy to do so. He is predictably an injury waiting to happen -- and of course the Pacers front office knows it.

[PhoSita]

Assuming that's true, the Magic received two firsts (top-3/4 protected), a lottery pick who wasn't living up to his full potential (Wendell Carter Jr.), and salary filler.  I'm not quite sure the Celtics have a player of Carter Jr.'s caliber

I think you already anticipated the main issue with your proposal here.  The Celts don't have a player to offer who would be analogous to Wendell Carter.  The picks the Celts have to offer are similarly unappealing (i.e. they project to be in the 14-20 range).

The Celts do have Rob Williams, I guess, who is much better than Wendell Carter.  I'm not sure how much appeal Rob Williams would have for a team contemplating a bit of a reset/rebuild though.  He's an excellent complementary player but doesn't offer much in the way of individual scoring potential.

[Surferdad]

With the season he is having and reasonable contract, I don’t want to trade Rob Williams.

[jpotter33]

These are some really questionable loose ball fouls.

[jpotter33]

Wrong thread.

[LilRip]

If it ~only takes Timelord and filler, I’d do it. Gotta give up value to get value. Adding Sabonis gives us our “3rd star”. It would require a change in playstyle tho

[Moranis]

Assuming that's true, the Magic received two firsts (top-3/4 protected), a lottery pick who wasn't living up to his full potential (Wendell Carter Jr.), and salary filler.  I'm not quite sure the Celtics have a player of Carter Jr.'s caliber

I think you already anticipated the main issue with your proposal here.  The Celts don't have a player to offer who would be analogous to Wendell Carter.  The picks the Celts have to offer are similarly unappealing (i.e. they project to be in the 14-20 range).

The Celts do have Rob Williams, I guess, who is much better than Wendell Carter.  I'm not sure how much appeal Rob Williams would have for a team contemplating a bit of a reset/rebuild though.  He's an excellent complementary player but doesn't offer much in the way of individual scoring potential.

Is Williams much better than Carter?