Bulpett: ‘Extremely Active’ Celtics Looking to Future at Trade Deadline

[CelticsWhat35]

remember when Jim O'Brien took over from Pitino and the team suddenly started playing well as they became all about defense, with a very simplified offense.

Question to those who understand basketball, what would be the role of our current major players under a Jim O'Brien simplified offense?

(just curious..if anyone one finds it interesting enough to answer then I'd learn something)...

(I believe O'Brien preached rebounding, boxing out (of course) and defense...I don't know what his team did on offense...just remember that they simplified things).

As I recall, lots and lots of threes, relative to the times.

I remember the threes too...interesting mix of old school and new school..

It’s crazy how the league differed back then.  In O’Brien’s second full season, we led the league shooting 26 three attempts per game.  The next team only shot 20, and the last ranked team (76ers) shot fewer than nine threes per game!

I loved watching Eric Williams and Walter....I'm guessing they accounted for 2/3 of the threes...(could be way off!..can't remember the exact makeup of the team)

You’re forgetting about Antoine, who took so many 3-pointers because they didn’t have 4-pointers

[SHAQATTACK]

I am not sold at all on the Tatum-Brown tandem. They have been making the same dumb mistakes for several seasons now and seem oblivious to correcting them. Lack of mental focus for a full game and questions about their competitive appetite for winning games are huge issues in my book. They still are redundant and just seem to take turns doing the same thing, just from different sides of the court.

Only remedy I see is a Chris Paul type player/competitor coming in to run things on the floor along with a very good coach to straighten this mess out and create a team that plays together, compliments each other and plays smart basketball. If even with that, Tatum or Brown just refuse to change, you would have to make a trade. Gotta have solid on-court chemistry to win titles.

Do you think Harden and Tatum would be better ?

[Roy H.]

remember when Jim O'Brien took over from Pitino and the team suddenly started playing well as they became all about defense, with a very simplified offense.

Question to those who understand basketball, what would be the role of our current major players under a Jim O'Brien simplified offense?

(just curious..if anyone one finds it interesting enough to answer then I'd learn something)...

(I believe O'Brien preached rebounding, boxing out (of course) and defense...I don't know what his team did on offense...just remember that they simplified things).

As I recall, lots and lots of threes, relative to the times.

I remember the threes too...interesting mix of old school and new school..

It’s crazy how the league differed back then.  In O’Brien’s second full season, we led the league shooting 26 three attempts per game.  The next team only shot 20, and the last ranked team (76ers) shot fewer than nine threes per game!

I loved watching Eric Williams and Walter....I'm guessing they accounted for 2/3 of the threes...(could be way off!..can't remember the exact makeup of the team)

Pierce, Walker, Kenny Anderson, Battie, Potapenko, Walter, Williams, Delk

Joe Johnson for a hot minute.  That was the best O’Brien team.

In an alternate universe, we have:

Tony Battie / Troy Murphy
Antoine Walker / Shaun Marion
Tracy McGrady
Joe Johnson
Tony Parker / Chauncey Billups

[wiley]

remember when Jim O'Brien took over from Pitino and the team suddenly started playing well as they became all about defense, with a very simplified offense.

Question to those who understand basketball, what would be the role of our current major players under a Jim O'Brien simplified offense?

(just curious..if anyone one finds it interesting enough to answer then I'd learn something)...

(I believe O'Brien preached rebounding, boxing out (of course) and defense...I don't know what his team did on offense...just remember that they simplified things).

As I recall, lots and lots of threes, relative to the times.

I remember the threes too...interesting mix of old school and new school..

It’s crazy how the league differed back then.  In O’Brien’s second full season, we led the league shooting 26 three attempts per game.  The next team only shot 20, and the last ranked team (76ers) shot fewer than nine threes per game!

I loved watching Eric Williams and Walter....I'm guessing they accounted for 2/3 of the threes...(could be way off!..can't remember the exact makeup of the team)

Pierce, Walker, Kenny Anderson, Battie, Potapenko, Walter, Williams, Delk

Joe Johnson for a hot minute.  That was the best O’Brien team.

In an alternate universe, we have:

Tony Battie / Troy Murphy
Antoine Walker / Shaun Marion
Tracy McGrady
Joe Johnson
Tony Parker / Chauncey Billups

Oh both Toine and Pierce...so maybe 1/3 of threes from Williams/McCarty duo...
what a team that would've been...

[nickagneta]

Ime is definitely either dumbing down the offense or has a way to static scheme that leaves players in certain areas awaiting kick outs for open shots. How many times have we seen passes picked off as drivers to the basket try to kick it out to the corner on the opposite side or seen players pass it to a position that's foul line extended only for no player to be there.

Ime's offense is predicated on top of key p&r with drives that kick out to spots if the layup isn't open. And then, if that player doesn't shoot it, and only then, does the team try to pass the ball around the perimeter searching for the open shot. That's about the only time you see high quality ball movement in Ime's half court sets.

Jayson and Jaylen both throw passes to spots on failed drives that are constantly being picked off because it doesn't take a genius coach to tell players where to be to intercept those passes. They are being taught to throw it to those spots instead of searching out the open guy and passing it to him.

I think this approach is hurting the Jays playmaking abilities. They have gotten too robotic trying to get their passes to spots rather than players. Prime example was the Kings blowout. After a p&r didn't work for Tatum, he had the ball at the top of the key and tried a no look pass to his right corner but no one was there. Tatum searched out, I think Nesmith, to tell him he should have been there.

[liam]

Ime is definitely either dumbing down the offense or has a way to static scheme that leaves players in certain areas awaiting kick outs for open shots. How many times have we seen passes picked off as drivers to the basket try to kick it out to the corner on the opposite side or seen players pass it to a position that's foul line extended only for no player to be there.

Ime's offense is predicated on top of key p&r with drives that kick out to spots if the layup isn't open. And then, if that player doesn't shoot it, and only then, does the team try to pass the ball around the perimeter searching for the open shot. That's about the only time you see high quality ball movement in Ime's half court sets.

Jayson and Jaylen both throw passes to spots on failed drives that are constantly being picked off because it doesn't take a genius coach to tell players where to be to intercept those passes. They are being taught to throw it to those spots instead of searching out the open guy and passing it to him.

I think this approach is hurting the Jays playmaking abilities. They have gotten too robotic trying to get their passes to spots rather than players. Prime example was the Kings blowout. After a p&r didn't work for Tatum, he had the ball at the top of the key and tried a no look pass to his right corner but no one was there. Tatum searched out, I think Nesmith, to tell him he should have been there.

Yeah, there is very little off ball movement. It is very predictable and easily  shut down by the 4th quarter. We need more read and react motion in our offense. We have the personal to run a more advanced offense. 

[Who]

Ime is definitely either dumbing down the offense or has a way to static scheme that leaves players in certain areas awaiting kick outs for open shots. How many times have we seen passes picked off as drivers to the basket try to kick it out to the corner on the opposite side or seen players pass it to a position that's foul line extended only for no player to be there.

Ime's offense is predicated on top of key p&r with drives that kick out to spots if the layup isn't open. And then, if that player doesn't shoot it, and only then, does the team try to pass the ball around the perimeter searching for the open shot. That's about the only time you see high quality ball movement in Ime's half court sets.

Jayson and Jaylen both throw passes to spots on failed drives that are constantly being picked off because it doesn't take a genius coach to tell players where to be to intercept those passes. They are being taught to throw it to those spots instead of searching out the open guy and passing it to him.

I think this approach is hurting the Jays playmaking abilities. They have gotten too robotic trying to get their passes to spots rather than players. Prime example was the Kings blowout. After a p&r didn't work for Tatum, he had the ball at the top of the key and tried a no look pass to his right corner but no one was there. Tatum searched out, I think Nesmith, to tell him he should have been there.

Yeah, there is very little off ball movement. It is very predictable and easily  shut down by the 4th quarter. We need more read and react motion in our offense. We have the personal to run a more advanced offense.

It is hard to have much fluidity and speed in your offense when you are at both a speed & quickness deficit at 3 of your 5 positions.

The lineups with two of G.Williams, Horford & Rob Williams are killing our offensive capacity. It takes out 40% of the lineup with below average skilled players and below average speed relative to your opponent.

Then you add Smart at PG who is one of the slowest and least skilled PGs in the league and you are dooming your offenses to predictability / easiness to defend.