Rumor: Marcus Smart linked to Dallas Mavericks

[RPGenerate]

I would take a shot on Porzingis.  Him and Doncic are not a good fit.  He could spread the floor and still only 26.  Hortford and Smart for Porzingis and Brunson.

No thanks, Porzingis is woefully injury-prone and sucks in the playoffs. Wildly overpaid too.

also there's good reason to believe he's uh, not a good person. to put it mildly.


i have zero interest in having Porzingis on my team

Prozingis isn't a good person??

couple years ago a woman came forward saying that Kristaps assaulted her. there supposedly was an investigation. Kristaps's attorney put out a statement saying the woman was just trying to extort Kristaps. the story just kind of evaporated without any clear resolution after that.

classic kind of story that allows anybody to draw whatever conclusion they prefer. in such a situation I assume that the person who came forward is telling the truth, since the history of these types of allegations is that our culture doesn't actually treat women who come forward very kindly, despite the inevitable talking point that the person is just looking to get money or get attention.

anyway, if you google it you'll see all the same news stories I've seen about it.  i'm not saying he ought to be locked up, but it's enough that I'd rather not have him on my team.

So just the accusation of rape in a he said, she said is enough for you think poorly of him? Even if it's an isolated situation with no other previous misdemeanors? Not trying to be rude or smart, just genuinely curious.

[liam]

I would take a shot on Porzingis.  Him and Doncic are not a good fit.  He could spread the floor and still only 26.  Hortford and Smart for Porzingis and Brunson.

No thanks, Porzingis is woefully injury-prone and sucks in the playoffs. Wildly overpaid too.

also there's good reason to believe he's uh, not a good person. to put it mildly.


i have zero interest in having Porzingis on my team

Prozingis isn't a good person??

couple years ago a woman came forward saying that Kristaps assaulted her. there supposedly was an investigation. Kristaps's attorney put out a statement saying the woman was just trying to extort Kristaps. the story just kind of evaporated without any clear resolution after that.

classic kind of story that allows anybody to draw whatever conclusion they prefer. in such a situation I assume that the person who came forward is telling the truth, since the history of these types of allegations is that our culture doesn't actually treat women who come forward very kindly, despite the inevitable talking point that the person is just looking to get money or get attention.

anyway, if you google it you'll see all the same news stories I've seen about it.  i'm not saying he ought to be locked up, but it's enough that I'd rather not have him on my team.

Wouldn't that have gone to a civil court at least?

https://nypost.com/2019/04/01/new-details-emerge-about-kristaps-porzingis-rape-accuser-report/

[Moranis]

Obviously the health of the Zinger is a concern, and his outside shooting is way down this year.  Maybe he is just like Curry, Tatum, etc. but it is a bit worrisome that he isn't shooting well.  That said, he is averaging basically 20/8/2 with 2 blocks, doesn't turn it over, and shoots very well from 2 and the line, and actually gets to the line enough to be worthwhile.  He also plays a position of need assuming he and Rob could actually play together.  He is probably worth taking a flyer on in some sort of Horford + Smart package as he provides way more on the court production than Horford.  I'd want a wing or PG back to give up Smart and I don't think Boston has enough value for Brunson.

So I'd probably do

Horford + Smart

for

Porzingis + Bullock

[cons]

Dallas long ago took Antoine walker.

Then they took Rajon rondo

Based on how those ones worked out for Dallas, if I’m a Mavs fan hearing this I’m starting to cry !! 

Haha.

But yeah. Let’s see if we can dump on them again!! Hooray!! 😁

[liam]

Obviously the health of the Zinger is a concern, and his outside shooting is way down this year.  Maybe he is just like Curry, Tatum, etc. but it is a bit worrisome that he isn't shooting well.  That said, he is averaging basically 20/8/2 with 2 blocks, doesn't turn it over, and shoots very well from 2 and the line, and actually gets to the line enough to be worthwhile.  He also plays a position of need assuming he and Rob could actually play together.  He is probably worth taking a flyer on in some sort of Horford + Smart package as he provides way more on the court production than Horford.  I'd want a wing or PG back to give up Smart and I don't think Boston has enough value for Brunson.

So I'd probably do

Horford + Smart

for

Porzingis + Bullock

Brunson is a free agent at the end of the year and there could be some team out there who wants to throw a ton of cash at him so does that increase or decrease his trade value?

[gouki88]

I really don't see Dallas as a trade destination.  I'd rather have Smart then Brunson.  The C's need length at the PG position not another smurf.  Brunson is 6'1.

If the C's trade with Dallas I'm sure it's most likely a DS deal for their TPE from the Richardson trade and some 2nds.

Brunson is a better scorer, shooter, passer, and rebounder, while being younger and with a much less significant injury history. I find that more important than the 2 inches Smart is taller than him.

[Celtics2021]

I really don't see Dallas as a trade destination.  I'd rather have Smart then Brunson.  The C's need length at the PG position not another smurf.  Brunson is 6'1.

If the C's trade with Dallas I'm sure it's most likely a DS deal for their TPE from the Richardson trade and some 2nds.

Brunson is a better scorer, shooter, passer, and rebounder, while being younger and with a much less significant injury history. I find that more important than the 2 inches Smart is taller than him.

Their career rebounding rates are virtually identical.  No need to exaggerate the difference between them.

Smart is also obviously the better defender.  I’d like them both in the backcourt, personally.  Getting Brunson and keeping Smart would make for much stronger team.  Just need to find someone who wants Richardson and has someone Dallas wants, or be patient and get Brunson in the off-season.

[Rikibellevie]

I would take a shot on Porzingis.  Him and Doncic are not a good fit.  He could spread the floor and still only 26.  Hortford and Smart for Porzingis and Brunson.

No thanks, Porzingis is woefully injury-prone and sucks in the playoffs. Wildly overpaid too.

Yeah, give me Brunson and Maxi Kleber.

I'd look to include Utah in the deal if at all possible. Ingles seems to be on the outer, and their depth at the 4/5 spot (as in guys who can play the 4 and the 5) is shallow.

Boston receives: Brunson + Ingles
Utah receives: Kleber
Dallas receives: Smart

OK your trade for this year roster balance this year. But I don't think it is the goal anymore and never should have been. We don't need 6th month of Brunson rental and Ingles can be have probably with  Jazz draft materials for Smart (or just wait he is UFA I think MLE is enough), as he hasn't many value. Smart for 0 future capital and just a 6th month rental of 2 good role player is a non sense for me. As we never needed a 6th month Fournier rental last year, it was just a way to say "you see fans we try something with TPE"
 I agree with you that giving Horford contract to take a much expensive and long contract would even still be worst (6th montnh after having lost a good player with the 16th pick).

Play the kids and force Udoka to do it. Take draft future capitals. GO strong to FA (probably for Beal). And sign IT until the end of the year to bring something enthousiastic for us, maybe as a smoke screen also to hide all the mistakes that has been made.

[slamtheking]

I really don't see Dallas as a trade destination.  I'd rather have Smart then Brunson.  The C's need length at the PG position not another smurf.  Brunson is 6'1.

If the C's trade with Dallas I'm sure it's most likely a DS deal for their TPE from the Richardson trade and some 2nds.

Brunson is a better scorer, shooter, passer, and rebounder, while being younger and with a much less significant injury history. I find that more important than the 2 inches Smart is taller than him.

Their career rebounding rates are virtually identical.  No need to exaggerate the difference between them.

Smart is also obviously the better defender.  I’d like them both in the backcourt, personally.  Getting Brunson and keeping Smart would make for much stronger team.  Just need to find someone who wants Richardson and has someone Dallas wants, or be patient and get Brunson in the off-season.

I'd part with Smart over Richardson.  Richardson is a top level defender and can actually score.  I'd rather keep him over Marcus.   Work Shroder into the deal to possibly get Powell or Kleber and that would be even better.

[Celtics2021]

I really don't see Dallas as a trade destination.  I'd rather have Smart then Brunson.  The C's need length at the PG position not another smurf.  Brunson is 6'1.

If the C's trade with Dallas I'm sure it's most likely a DS deal for their TPE from the Richardson trade and some 2nds.

Brunson is a better scorer, shooter, passer, and rebounder, while being younger and with a much less significant injury history. I find that more important than the 2 inches Smart is taller than him.

Their career rebounding rates are virtually identical.  No need to exaggerate the difference between them.

Smart is also obviously the better defender.  I’d like them both in the backcourt, personally.  Getting Brunson and keeping Smart would make for much stronger team.  Just need to find someone who wants Richardson and has someone Dallas wants, or be patient and get Brunson in the off-season.

I'd part with Smart over Richardson.  Richardson is a top level defender and can actually score.  I'd rather keep him over Marcus.   Work Shroder into the deal to possibly get Powell or Kleber and that would be even better.

Richardson has been fine this year.  He’s not a scorer, in that he’s not someone you look to for volume.  He’s been reasonably efficient, which has been nice, and the contract he signed is looking reasonable and will likely have some trade value.  He’s a good defender, but Smart is top-level, not Richardson, let’s be real for a second.

In a perfect world Dallas gets Grant, with Brunson going to Detroit as part of the package, but we step in and ship Langford or Nesmith to Detroit for Brunson, so they get a prospect who’s cost-controlled as opposed to a free agent who wants a big deal this summer.  Then we can keep both.

Maybe Schröder can still go to Dallas as part of this.  Something like:

Detroit gets:
Kleiber
Nesmith
1st (from Dallas)

Dallas gets:
Grant
Schröder

Celtics get:
Brunson
Finney-Smith

[Birdman]

Time to move on from Smart..

[Vermont Green]

Obviously the health of the Zinger is a concern, and his outside shooting is way down this year.  Maybe he is just like Curry, Tatum, etc. but it is a bit worrisome that he isn't shooting well.  That said, he is averaging basically 20/8/2 with 2 blocks, doesn't turn it over, and shoots very well from 2 and the line, and actually gets to the line enough to be worthwhile.  He also plays a position of need assuming he and Rob could actually play together.  He is probably worth taking a flyer on in some sort of Horford + Smart package as he provides way more on the court production than Horford.  I'd want a wing or PG back to give up Smart and I don't think Boston has enough value for Brunson.

So I'd probably do

Horford + Smart

for

Porzingis + Bullock

This is exactly along the lines I was thinking, but only if they include Moses Brown 

I like Smart, I don't want to trade him.  But Porzingis would be a nice fit in my opinion.  His health/durability is an issue but it is for Smart also.

[slamtheking]

I really don't see Dallas as a trade destination.  I'd rather have Smart then Brunson.  The C's need length at the PG position not another smurf.  Brunson is 6'1.

If the C's trade with Dallas I'm sure it's most likely a DS deal for their TPE from the Richardson trade and some 2nds.

Brunson is a better scorer, shooter, passer, and rebounder, while being younger and with a much less significant injury history. I find that more important than the 2 inches Smart is taller than him.

Their career rebounding rates are virtually identical.  No need to exaggerate the difference between them.

Smart is also obviously the better defender.  I’d like them both in the backcourt, personally.  Getting Brunson and keeping Smart would make for much stronger team.  Just need to find someone who wants Richardson and has someone Dallas wants, or be patient and get Brunson in the off-season.

I'd part with Smart over Richardson.  Richardson is a top level defender and can actually score.  I'd rather keep him over Marcus.   Work Shroder into the deal to possibly get Powell or Kleber and that would be even better.

Richardson has been fine this year.  He’s not a scorer, in that he’s not someone you look to for volume.  He’s been reasonably efficient, which has been nice, and the contract he signed is looking reasonable and will likely have some trade value.  He’s a good defender, but Smart is top-level, not Richardson, let’s be real for a second.

In a perfect world Dallas gets Grant, with Brunson going to Detroit as part of the package, but we step in and ship Langford or Nesmith to Detroit for Brunson, so they get a prospect who’s cost-controlled as opposed to a free agent who wants a big deal this summer.  Then we can keep both.

Maybe Schröder can still go to Dallas as part of this.  Something like:

Detroit gets:
Kleiber
Nesmith
1st (from Dallas)

Dallas gets:
Grant
Schröder

Celtics get:
Brunson
Finney-Smith

Smart has played at a DPOY level before but hasn't for a while.  Richardson has shown he's better than just 'good'.   IMHO they're close enough defensively that Richardson's better offensive skills make him the more valuable player.

on the deals, would like to hold on to Nesmith.  the point was moving Smart.  I suppose for Shroder and Nesmith, Brunson and F-S is a good return but in this deal it seem Dallas makes out very well and Detroit not so much.

[LilRip]

If we can get Zinger for Horford? That’s an easy trade to make. Horford turned back the clock early in the season but right now, he gets by more with his mind than his physical skills. Al has had a great career but he’s got the consistency you’d expect from a role player (a bunch of bad games, even more average games, and the occasional good game)

Anyway, I’m curious what Dallas is trying to do tho. They’re trying to build around Luka obviously but does that mean upgrading talent via trades, trying to hit the lottery thru a tank, or selling off a bunch of guys to score a big free agent?

Getting Horford with Smart seems counterintuitive because while Smart is on a good contract, relative to his production, he’s signed for multiple years. Horford meanwhile is an expiring. I assume you have to pick a lane

[BruceBanner18]

Porzingis is having his best year with the Mavs. It's doubtful they are looking to salary dump him.

It would likely be Smart for one of their guards, THJ or Brunson. If not, then Dallas would be paying around 91 mil for 4 guards (assuming they resign Brunson).