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Idea: Timelord, Grant, PP, two Firsts for Haliburton
« on: January 15, 2022, 08:53:45 AM »

Offline KG Living Legend

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 Probably can't get this kid now. But it's the last chance to attain this 21 year old who's 6'5" putting up 10 to 12 assists per game. 

 Hes avg 7apg for the season.  He's the type of player that could grow and transform this team going forward. 

 Worth a shot anyone have any ideas on how we can pry this kid from the hapless Kings. Timelord could cover up for Bagleys defensive defects.  And Bagley can score and shoot unlike Timelord.  Might work.

Timelord
Bagley
Barnes
Hield
Fox

With extra picks to sure up the SF or PF position. 


 
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Re: Idea: Timelord, Grant, PP, two Firsts for Haliburton
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2022, 10:44:12 AM »

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Just don't see it. Kings need a package for an All-star to pair with Fox if they move Haliburton. They don't need more depth they need stars.

Re: Idea: Timelord, Grant, PP, two Firsts for Haliburton
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2022, 11:32:51 AM »

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I like Halliburton, but this strikes me as a huge overpay.

Re: Idea: Timelord, Grant, PP, two Firsts for Haliburton
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2022, 11:33:46 AM »

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I like Halliburton, but this strikes me as a huge overpay.
this.

Timelord alone would be an overpay the way he's playing this year.

Re: Idea: Timelord, Grant, PP, two Firsts for Haliburton
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2022, 11:42:55 AM »

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I like Halliburton, but this strikes me as a huge overpay.
this.

Timelord alone would be an overpay the way he's playing this year.

There are only a few players in the NBA that have the potential to be a championship level playmaker. Most of them are superstars. We aren't winning anything if we don't get a playmaker who can handle pressure. Anything that doesn't cost us Tatum or Brown isn't an overpay.

Re: Idea: Timelord, Grant, PP, two Firsts for Haliburton
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2022, 02:18:40 PM »

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Yes, I would do that. That is a big trade package so I was hesitant at first. I feel that should net a proven star but it would likely be an older star on a bad contract or something like that. You have to pay that premium for youth.

I am not 100% sold on Haliburton as a star but he is dang good and fun to watch. I love his fit on this Celtics team as either a big PG or as a two guard. His versatility gives the team good options in team further building.

Re: Idea: Timelord, Grant, PP, two Firsts for Haliburton
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2022, 02:22:04 PM »

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Kings have Richaun Holmes and we need a center; don’t see having Rob in this deal working great for either team. Or, really, another package that works in a 2-team deal.

Maybe Smart and a pick to the GSW, they send one of their recent high picks to the Kings, we get Halli? Some salary filler needed but maybe doable?

Re: Idea: Timelord, Grant, PP, two Firsts for Haliburton
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2022, 02:45:14 PM »

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First off, this trade doesn’t even work from a numbers standpoint. I’m also not sure I’d want to give up Robert Williams given what he does for the team from a defensive standpoint. With Ime’s two big lineup, does that mean Grant Or Kanter would be starting? Also, the Kings already have Holmes, Thompson, Len, and Jones who play the 5 and Bagley can as well. The have a logjam to begin with.

When posting a trade idea, we should all be at least making sure that the numbers work as well as asking the question, does this make sense for both sides? If the answer is no, probably best not to post it.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine
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Re: Idea: Timelord, Grant, PP, two Firsts for Haliburton
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2022, 03:00:56 PM »

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First off, this trade doesn’t even work from a numbers standpoint. I’m also not sure I’d want to give up Robert Williams given what he does for the team from a defensive standpoint. With Ime’s two big lineup, does that mean Grant Or Kanter would be starting? Also, the Kings already have Holmes, Thompson, Len, and Jones who play the 5 and Bagley can as well. The have a logjam to begin with.

When posting a trade idea, we should all be at least making sure that the numbers work as well as asking the question, does this make sense for both sides? If the answer is no, probably best not to post it.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

The two most important players in the trade are on low rookie salaries. Making this work would be trivial.

Robert Williams would be a nice player for them, and the picks are always useful. I'm not sure Sac would take this seriously anyway, but its a legit offer.

Re: Idea: Timelord, Grant, PP, two Firsts for Haliburton
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2022, 04:14:37 PM »

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I like Haliburton a lot, but this feels like a pretty big overpay to me.

From a potential standpoint, Timelord and Haliburton are in pretty similar situations, they just do things very differently at different positions, but teams would look at both of them as young guys with lots of potential.

We also signed Timelord to what could be a mega discount contract recently, while Haliburton will need to be paid in the next few seasons.

All the extras (including the two firsts) just feels like we're giving away everything.

I really like Haliburton, but I don't think he's a guy you empty the cupboards for, and this trade would be giving up every piece of value the Celtics have outside of Brown and Tatum.  If that team doesn't work, you've got nothing left to do outside trading one of those three.

Re: Idea: Timelord, Grant, PP, two Firsts for Haliburton
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2022, 04:38:39 PM »

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First off, this trade doesn’t even work from a numbers standpoint. I’m also not sure I’d want to give up Robert Williams given what he does for the team from a defensive standpoint. With Ime’s two big lineup, does that mean Grant Or Kanter would be starting? Also, the Kings already have Holmes, Thompson, Len, and Jones who play the 5 and Bagley can as well. The have a logjam to begin with.

When posting a trade idea, we should all be at least making sure that the numbers work as well as asking the question, does this make sense for both sides? If the answer is no, probably best not to post it.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine



 Disappointed by this response Goldstar. I mean use your own Brain and look at the salary needed to make it work. It's Harkless that's needed for a filler.

 Think these things out before being condescending.

 

 

Re: Idea: Timelord, Grant, PP, two Firsts for Haliburton
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2022, 04:42:44 PM »

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Yes, I would do that. That is a big trade package so I was hesitant at first. I feel that should net a proven star but it would likely be an older star on a bad contract or something like that. You have to pay that premium for youth.

I am not 100% sold on Haliburton as a star but he is dang good and fun to watch. I love his fit on this Celtics team as either a big PG or as a two guard. His versatility gives the team good options in team further building.
hence my comment about Timelord by himself being an overpay.  Timelord is the type of youth in the middle that other teams need and want -- Sac included. 

Re: Idea: Timelord, Grant, PP, two Firsts for Haliburton
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2022, 04:47:05 PM »

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Yes, I would do that. That is a big trade package so I was hesitant at first. I feel that should net a proven star but it would likely be an older star on a bad contract or something like that. You have to pay that premium for youth.

I am not 100% sold on Haliburton as a star but he is dang good and fun to watch. I love his fit on this Celtics team as either a big PG or as a two guard. His versatility gives the team good options in team further building.
hence my comment about Timelord by himself being an overpay.  Timelord is the type of youth in the middle that other teams need and want -- Sac included.


 Timelord himself as an overpay is pretty  ridiculous  Slam. Almost every team in the league would want to get there hands on Tyrese.

 How hard is it to find a big avg 9 pts 9 boards and a block and a half.  Tyrese is more special IMO.

Re: Idea: Timelord, Grant, PP, two Firsts for Haliburton
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2022, 04:50:10 PM »

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Yes, I would do that. That is a big trade package so I was hesitant at first. I feel that should net a proven star but it would likely be an older star on a bad contract or something like that. You have to pay that premium for youth.

I am not 100% sold on Haliburton as a star but he is dang good and fun to watch. I love his fit on this Celtics team as either a big PG or as a two guard. His versatility gives the team good options in team further building.
hence my comment about Timelord by himself being an overpay.  Timelord is the type of youth in the middle that other teams need and want -- Sac included.


 Timelord himself as an overpay is pretty  ridiculous  Slam. Almost every team in the league would want to get there hands on Tyrese.

 How hard is it to find a big avg 9 pts 9 boards and a block and a half.  Tyrese is more special IMO.

Yea, I'm not sure Rob Williams is all that valuable a trade asset. He is an unskilled undersized inconsistent big man on an underachieving team.

Re: Idea: Timelord, Grant, PP, two Firsts for Haliburton
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2022, 04:52:36 PM »

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First off, this trade doesn’t even work from a numbers standpoint. I’m also not sure I’d want to give up Robert Williams given what he does for the team from a defensive standpoint. With Ime’s two big lineup, does that mean Grant Or Kanter would be starting? Also, the Kings already have Holmes, Thompson, Len, and Jones who play the 5 and Bagley can as well. The have a logjam to begin with.

When posting a trade idea, we should all be at least making sure that the numbers work as well as asking the question, does this make sense for both sides? If the answer is no, probably best not to post it.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine



 Disappointed by this response Goldstar. I mean use your own Brain and look at the salary needed to make it work. It's Harkless that's needed for a filler.

 Think these things out before being condescending.

Wasn’t meant to be condescending. just feel like a lot of the trades being proposed by people either can’t work or don’t make much sense for both sides.
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