What could we get for three unprotected firsts and two swaps?

[Roy H.]

Things to think about with pick swaps. First, if the trade works out for you it's unlikely to become superbad in such a short time frame (+/- 4 years). Second if you do, you still get the pick of the other team who has just started a rebuild, which is probably still a decent pick.

That’s always the hope.  Worst case scenario is the BRK trade, though, where you end up swapping the 1st overall pick.

[Who]

Lillard

who is 34 years old? you give up 5 years worth of draft picks for a guy whose ability to be a star will not come even close to that?

i think the celtics can, and should, do better for that sort of value.

Lillard is 31 years old

There is enough rubber left on them tires.

[PhoSita]

Trading your next five drafts away for anything less than a piece that guarantees your team will be awesome is the kind of move that gets the entire management of a franchise fired and results in the team being in purgatory for a decade.

Does it?

Lakers did it and won a title. Milwaukee did it and won a title. Brooklyn did it once and became a stacked team in 6 years. They did it again and became favorites to win it all. Presti did it in OKC and still has a job. Same for Langdon in NOP and Stone in Houston.

Where are the examples you site?

It's kind of weird to me that you reference Brooklyn and then ask me for examples of what I'm citing .... the current core of our team is the Brooklyn Nets' "future" circa 2015-2020


Let me reiterate what I said

- it makes sense if it makes your team awesome / sets you up to win a title
- otherwise you're setting your team up for purgatory


Lakers -- won a title, but now appear to be in purgatory

Milwaukee -- already a contender, Holiday solidifies them, they win a title, maybe more to come

Brooklyn -- in purgatory for most of a decade, then they leverage their franchise location and their willingness to sign over the franchise to a couple of weirdos to become a title contender and ... haven't won anything yet. To me this is 100% not a path the Celtics franchise could ever hope to replicate, for many reasons.

OKC -- they traded a bunch of picks for George, it got them nowhere. they still have their own picks, though. I don't recall all the transactions they've made, but I think they've reacquired some of their own selections. at any rate, they had to tear their whole team down and are in an extended rebuild. also they have one of the savviest GMS around ... not sure our guy is on that level.

The Pelicans and Houston are also in extended purgatory so I'm not sure how they are positive examples ....

[jpotter33]

So….

BOS trades: Horford, Herangomez, Langford, three #1s, two swaps

POR trades:  Lillard, Nance

Who wins that trade?

Portland.

Crazy sauce.

Don’t like Lillard’s age, but to do this kind of trade without losing Smart, Schroeder, or Richardson is a pretty good deal. The following rotation is arguably the deepest in the league and the best two-way group easily:

PG: Lillard, Schroeder, PP
SG: Brown, Smart, Nesmith
SF: Tatum, Richardson
PF: Nance, GWill
C: Timelord, Kanter, Bruno

With all locked up numerous years, I think you have to do that. Granted, I’m pretty high on Nance, and I think Lillard’s recent troubles are largely erased playing with two other stars.

[PhoSita]

Lillard

who is 34 years old? you give up 5 years worth of draft picks for a guy whose ability to be a star will not come even close to that?

i think the celtics can, and should, do better for that sort of value.

Lillard is 31 years old

There is enough rubber left on them tires.

He will be making like 40-45% of the cap at age 33 or something crazy like that.

extremely concerning for a guard who is already showing signs of falling off at age 31

Things to think about with pick swaps. First, if the trade works out for you it's unlikely to become superbad in such a short time frame (+/- 4 years). Second if you do, you still get the pick of the other team who has just started a rebuild, which is probably still a decent pick.

That’s always the hope.  Worst case scenario is the BRK trade, though, where you end up swapping the 1st overall pick.

yeah. you'd better be super sure your team is going to be awesome.

[Celtics2021]

So….

BOS trades: Horford, Herangomez, Langford, three #1s, two swaps

POR trades:  Lillard, Nance

Who wins that trade?

Portland.

Crazy sauce.

Don’t like Lillard’s age, but to do this kind of trade without losing Smart, Schroeder, or Richardson is a pretty good deal. The following rotation is arguably the deepest in the league and the best two-way group easily:

PG: Lillard, Schroeder, PP
SG: Brown, Smart, Nesmith
SF: Tatum, Richardson
PF: Nance, GWill
C: Timelord, Kanter, Bruno

With all locked up numerous years, I think you have to do that. Granted, I’m pretty high on Nance, and I think Lillard’s recent troubles are largely erased playing with two other stars.

It’s not just the age, although that’s part of it.  It’s the amount of minutes he’s played over his career.  It’s that he’s putting up his worst numbers since his rookie year.  It’s that he’s facing his first significant injury.  It’s that his contract is bonkers.  Having just come out of the Kemba Walker situation, I wouldn’t give up five years of picks for Lillard.  Chris Paul was traded from LA to Houston after his age 31 season for a single first-rounder, some second-tier prospects (Montrezl Harrell being the best), and salary filler.  That deal isn’t going to be on the table for Lillard, but it’s a lot closer to what I’d be comfortable with.

[nickagneta]

It's not 5 picks/swaps but would definitely do 2 picks and a swap for Brogdon or Jalen Brunson in a sign and trade.

[pokeKingCurtis]

So….

BOS trades: Horford, Herangomez, Langford, three #1s, two swaps

POR trades:  Lillard, Nance

Who wins that trade?

Portland.

Crazy sauce.

Don’t like Lillard’s age, but to do this kind of trade without losing Smart, Schroeder, or Richardson is a pretty good deal. The following rotation is arguably the deepest in the league and the best two-way group easily:

PG: Lillard, Schroeder, PP
SG: Brown, Smart, Nesmith
SF: Tatum, Richardson
PF: Nance, GWill
C: Timelord, Kanter, Bruno

With all locked up numerous years, I think you have to do that. Granted, I’m pretty high on Nance, and I think Lillard’s recent troubles are largely erased playing with two other stars.

It’s not just the age, although that’s part of it.  It’s the amount of minutes he’s played over his career.  It’s that he’s putting up his worst numbers since his rookie year.  It’s that he’s facing his first significant injury.  It’s that his contract is bonkers.  Having just come out of the Kemba Walker situation, I wouldn’t give up five years of picks for Lillard.  Chris Paul was traded from LA to Houston after his age 31 season for a single first-rounder, some second-tier prospects (Montrezl Harrell being the best), and salary filler.  That deal isn’t going to be on the table for Lillard, but it’s a lot closer to what I’d be comfortable with.

You took the words right outta my mouth. Kemba 2.0 right there...

[Who]

Chris Paul was traded from LA to Houston after his age 31 season for a single first-rounder, some second-tier prospects (Montrezl Harrell being the best), and salary filler.  That deal isn’t going to be on the table for Lillard, but it’s a lot closer to what I’d be comfortable with.

I believe that was a sign and trade to Houston (CP3) and why the price was so low.

[Who]

It's not 5 picks/swaps but would definitely do 2 picks and a swap for Brogdon or Jalen Brunson in a sign and trade.

How good is Jalen Brunson?

I am happy with him as a solid starting PG. Maybe a top 20 PG. Do you think is fair? Do you think he is better than that?

I see him more as solid and dependable than something special.

[nickagneta]

It's not 5 picks/swaps but would definitely do 2 picks and a swap for Brogdon or Jalen Brunson in a sign and trade.

How good is Jalen Brunson?

I am happy with him as a solid starting PG. Maybe a top 20 PG. Do you think is fair? Do you think he is better than that?

I see him more as solid and dependable than something special.

I think he has room to grow and his game is stifled a bunch by playing alongside Doncic. I think he will become a top level floor general and I think his leadership and toughness are qualities that would shine here in Boston alongside the Jays.

[Kiorrik]

Imagine having Jaylen Jaylen and Jalen.

All we need then is Green Green and Green.

[SHAQATTACK]

Hopefully more than Uncle Snooze 

[slamtheking]

what could we get for 3 picks and 2 swaps?  the obvious answer: we'd get hosed.

[radiohead]

So….

BOS trades: Horford, Herangomez, Langford, three #1s, two swaps

POR trades:  Lillard, Nance

Who wins that trade?

Portland.

Lillard just had surgery right? He’s not exactly young either. He may be on the decline?