Running out two centers in the age of small ball.

[liam]

I wish that we would play more of one center 3 forwards and a point guard. Horford has looked gassed as of late and should be coming off the bench. I still both Romeo and Nesmith should be playing. Both can guard up and down from their positions. I think that this team is a deep one that is being played shallow.

[Goldstar88]

I wish that we would play more of one center 3 forwards and a point guard. Horford has looked gassed as of late and should be coming off the bench. I still both Romeo and Nesmith should be playing. Both can guard up and down from their positions. I think that this team is a deep one that is being played shallow.

I hate the 2 C lineup. Give me Smart, Richardson, Brown, Tatum, Timelord. Bench of Schroder, Romeo/Nesmith, Grant, Horford. Optimal rotation, IMO.

[W8ting2McHale]

I wish that we would play more of one center 3 forwards and a point guard. Horford has looked gassed as of late and should be coming off the bench. I still both Romeo and Nesmith should be playing. Both can guard up and down from their positions. I think that this team is a deep one that is being played shallow.

I hate the 2 C lineup. Give me Smart, Richardson, Brown, Tatum, Timelord. Bench of Schroder, Romeo/Nesmith, Grant, Horford. Optimal rotation, IMO.

This is the lineup I wanted from the beginning. I understand that Ime wanted more passing and no one was sure Rob could last a whole season, so he had Al in the lineup, but they still should have been rotated.

Now that Ime’s run Al into the ground and Timelord is showing he can play every night and pass as well as Al, Horford’s skills are needed more by the bench unit than the starters and he should be supporting them.

[Silas]

I wish that we would play more of one center 3 forwards and a point guard. Horford has looked gassed as of late and should be coming off the bench. I still both Romeo and Nesmith should be playing. Both can guard up and down from their positions. I think that this team is a deep one that is being played shallow.

I agree.  I would like to see either Grant or Josh start with Al first off the bench. 

[Who]

I hate it. I don't much like Grant Williams either. He is an old school undersized beefy unathletic PF that were almost entirely eliminated from the league 3-4 years ago. He needs to go (traded).

Why did I bring this up in this thread? Because Grant Williams compounds the problems of the 2 centers lineups. His limited quickness, ball-handling, shot-creation, passing off the dribble make our offense more stagnant and stale. Just like the two centers do. His only saving grace is low volume spot up shooting.

[nebist]

The thing that is amazing to me is that the 2-big lineup made very little sense from pre-season. However, you could at least make a flawed argument for it if you thought Al was going to be a floor-spacer and Richardson is a suspect shooter anyways.

Since then, Al can't shoot this year. Richardson can. And Timelord has shown he can play significantly more minutes. But Ime is STILL rolling it out. WHAT. THE. ACTUAL. DUCK*.

[Vermont Green]

I wish that we would play more of one center 3 forwards and a point guard. Horford has looked gassed as of late and should be coming off the bench. I still both Romeo and Nesmith should be playing. Both can guard up and down from their positions. I think that this team is a deep one that is being played shallow.

I hate the 2 C lineup. Give me Smart, Richardson, Brown, Tatum, Timelord. Bench of Schroder, Romeo/Nesmith, Grant, Horford. Optimal rotation, IMO.

That line up has been on the court together for a total of just 23 minutes.  In that time, they are +15, pretty good.   For context, Smart, Brown, Tatum, Horford, Williams have been on the court together for 145 min and are +51, also pretty good.

It doesn't seem that the coach likes that line up so much.

[nebist]

I wish that we would play more of one center 3 forwards and a point guard. Horford has looked gassed as of late and should be coming off the bench. I still both Romeo and Nesmith should be playing. Both can guard up and down from their positions. I think that this team is a deep one that is being played shallow.

I hate the 2 C lineup. Give me Smart, Richardson, Brown, Tatum, Timelord. Bench of Schroder, Romeo/Nesmith, Grant, Horford. Optimal rotation, IMO.

That line up has been on the court together for a total of just 23 minutes.  In that time, they are +15, pretty good.   For context, Smart, Brown, Tatum, Horford, Williams have been on the court together for 145 min and are +51, also pretty good.

It doesn't seem that the coach likes that line up so much.

That lineup (Smart/Richardson/Brown/Tatum/Timelord) should be both starting and closing.

[ozgod]

Our current starting lineup of Smart-Horford-Brown-Tatum-Timelord has a net rating of 17.5, you can see where it is in relation to other starting lineups we've had as well as others with other teams. So it hasn't been too bad. The size of the circle is now many minutes it has played together. Incidentally, every other lineup that has Horford in it has a worse net rating.



The best lineup we've had has been Schroder-Smart-J.Rich-Tatum-Timelord, which has a net rating of 45.5 in 39.2 min.



Our worst lineup that has been used for a significant number of minutes has been Schroder-Smart-Horford-Tatum-Timelord, which has a net rating of -19.9 in 101.2 mins.



I looked for the lineup @nebist mentioned, the Tatum-Brown-J.Rich-Smart-Timelord but it probably hasn't played at least 25 mins together so it's not on the list.

For all the data click here:
https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/lineups-tool/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&MeasureType=Base

[footey]

I hate it. I don't much like Grant Williams either. He is an old school undersized beefy unathletic PF that were almost entirely eliminated from the league 3-4 years ago. He needs to go (traded).

Why did I bring this up in this thread? Because Grant Williams compounds the problems of the 2 centers lineups. His limited quickness, ball-handling, shot-creation, passing off the dribble make our offense more stagnant and stale. Just like the two centers do. His only saving grace is low volume spot up shooting.

Exhibit A last night was his defense of Maxey. Embarrassing.

[Csfan1984]

I want
Pp, Smart, JB, JT, TL

Reasons being Schro and Josh bring a lot on individual play that you can ask for when one of the Jays rest. With Al for TL off the bench you keep a defensive anchor. PP starting opens things up for the Jays and with Smart + TL, Pritchard's liability is diminished. So start PP

PP/Schro
Smart/Josh
JB/Lang
JT/Grant
TL/Al

Very simple