Missed Draft Opportunities since the End of the Big 3

[keevsnick]

Forgot which draft Dejounte Murray was in...the Yabu/Zizic draft?

I liked him and would have been excited to see him picked.  I thought he kind of moved in a slithery way that reminded me of Pierce, and he seemed like a good gamble to develop and be good down the road.

Yep, that was the 2016 Jaylen/Yabu/Zizic draft.

Another guy the Celtics could have targeted if they weren't so focused on taking draft and stash guys (because they had too many guys on roster).

[knuckleballer]

Could have drafted Bender or Dunn over Brown.  Ainge could have drafted Fultz or Josh Jackson over Tatum.  The expert analysts and most people on this board would have devastated this team by missing on those two picks.  There’s too much hindsight on the team’s drafting. 

Now, on how this team is coached and how the current young players are being developed, have at it.

[todd_days_41]

As the Celtics have lost assets the last few years one thing that leaps right out is the near misses the C's have had in the draft. Chances to rebuild their asset stock through the draft that they've JUUUUUST missed on. I thought I'd compile a list and allow people to respond what their most painful Celtics draft miss was. These could be when a guy went just ahead of the C's pick, when the c's traded a pick they could have used on a great draft guy, or when a guy went soon AFTER the C's pick and they took someone else. Some ideas:

2013 Olynyk over Giannis: This was actually a trade up, the C's had the 16th pick and when the trade for the 13th was announced I was sure Boston was doing it to take Giannis, even though he was a complete unknown it seemed like the perfect risk for a team about to rebuild. Instead they took Kelly "T-Rex Arms" Olynyk. But hey, we'll always have that Wizards Playoff game. This will always be my own, personal worst miss. Because Giannis was my guy in that draft (I love athletic, long, "potential" guys).

2014 Missing out on a top three pick: This draft was hyped to have a strong top three. As it turns out Wiggins and parker never met their potential, and Smart at 6 was a fine pick. But man, Embiid at 3 in the year when you tied for the 4th worst record. Also, James Young draft complete waste at 17, but nobody picked close by really stands out.

2015 Missed Booker by 3 spots: This is the year the C's took Terry, fine pick at 16. Of course Devin booker went 13 so maybe the c's would have been better off missing the playoffs instead of losing to the hawks in the first round. Might have lucked into Booker.

2016 Zizic, Yabu picks wasted: Brown at 3, great pick. They also had 16 and 23 which were Yabuselle and Zizic. Malik Beasley, Caris LeVert went 19 and 20. Siakam and Brogdon went 27 and 36. I can't claim i was high on any of those guys still missed opportunity. Feels like a year you missed on better talent because you were trying to compete and decided to stash guys.

2017 No Complaints: Nailed the Fultz/Tatum swap. No other picks.

2018 Traded #8 For Kyrie: Here's where things heat up. C's traded pick that became #8 for Kyrie, which is a move most people were fine with. But man, if they hadn't. Sexton who went 8 would have helped, but 10, 11 and 12 in that draft were Mikal Bridges, SGA, Miles Bridges and then at 14 Michael Porter Jr all of whom would have been ideal pieces next to Jaylen and Jayson. Tried to accelerate the timeline, things back fired. Probably should have just picked one timeline.  ​Did get RWIII at 27, great pick.

2019 Hero at 13, Langford at 14:  Celtics were linked with Hero, Celtics had draft ammunition to move up to get him, he goes one spot ahead of  Langford. Brutal. Celtics also had 20 which they traded for 24 and 33. They traded 24 along with Baynes I think to move off his money to PHO, they used 33 on Carsen Edwards. Probably should have just kept Thybulle at 20. Wasted pick, but hey at least ownership saved some money! Yay Wyc! Took Grant at 24, fine pick.

2020 Haliburton at 12, Nesmith at 14: Another draft where a guy who the C's were linked too, mostly because he was a perfect fit, goes just ahead of the C's spot. To rub salt in the wound the c's also had 26 and 47, so some ammo to move up. PHO took Jalen Smith at 10, who was projected to be in the late first round by most. Could the c's have done a 14+26 for 10 deal to get Haliburton? We will never know.

BONUS

2020 Nesmith 14, Cole Anthony 15: Anthony is averaging 20/6/6 this year if you haven't been watching the Magic. One pick after Nesmith. Brutal.

DOUBLE BONUS:

2020 Trade Bane at 30: We traded this pick for 2 second rounders. Kanter was also in the deal, but POR ended up taking him basically for free, so it really was just to dump the pick. The C's traded Bane who is averaging 18/4.5/2.5 basically just because they didn't want another young guy on the roster that year. Just stupid.

2021 Horford trade loses us Sengun: Sengun was projected to be a top 10 pick by most analysts, C's make the Kemba/Horford swap in advance of draft costing the 16th pick which ended up being Sengun. OKCA actually tardes the pick to HOU for 2 1st rounders. He's averaging 9/5/2.5/1/1 in 18 minutes per game with an intriguing scoring/passing mix as a big. Horford has been better than Kemba for sure, but he's sub 30% from three and this trade was mostly done to save ownership 7 million a year (Kemba at 34 million, Horford at 27) this year and next (luxury tax savings!).

So what have been your favorite/most painful draft misses the last 9 years?

My man… you’re just scratching the surface here. There are a TON more from the last 10 years.

And you choose to focus a good amount of energy on “just misses”, which it’s hard to find blame for (Ainge, for example, was reputed to have slammed his fists on the table when his nemesis Pat Riley selected Herro one pick before ours). Yet There are myriad examples of simply choosing the wrong guy, or picks trades that were abject disasters.

[slamtheking]

Could have drafted Bender or Dunn over Brown.  Ainge could have drafted Fultz or Josh Jackson over Tatum.  The expert analysts and most people on this board would have devastated this team by missing on those two picks.  There’s too much hindsight on the team’s drafting. 

Now, on how this team is coached and how the current young players are being developed, have at it.

exactly.  so easy to pick apart drafts with years of hindsight available.  just amounts to a lot of complaining and whining.

no real issues with who Danny drafted for the most part since on draft night they looked like solid picks (with the glaring exception of Fab Melo who almost everyone on the site knew would be a bust going into the draft).  James Young, while a bust  (#17 pick should not yield someone that completely awful) was still viewed as a pretty solid pick on draft night. 

As for complaints about the 2016 draft selections, the complainers or "what if'ers" are looking at the issue from the wrong angle.  no argument that Yabu and Zizic were not the BPAs on the board for those picks but they were selected not based on talent evaluation but strictly for their ability to be drafted and stashed due to p----poor roster and asset management by Danny leading up to that draft.  THAT'S the topic of discussion for that draft.  8 picks going into that draft and Danny mismanaged it horribly and the rest of the league let him mess it up by not getting involved with possible trades where picks were combined to move up some slots in that draft or trades for future picks. 

That's the most obvious year where Danny's asset mismanagement hurt the franchise.  His last draft where he gave away Bane for future picks because he couldn't hold onto a third first rounder in a deep draft due to the roster management is another example of the end of his tenure being a mess.  so many picks accrued and gone to waste because he basically had to either give them away for lesser assets or throw them away on D&S players when better players were still on the draft board.  Didn't even use those extra picks in deals to bring in better players to keep the roster talent level as high as possible (with the notable exception of the last Brooklyn pick going out in the Kyrie deal).

I'm very curious how OKC and Houston handle that same situation with their multitude of picks.  should be interesting to see how many of those picks they make and how many are used in deals for established players or future picks.  that may offer a better insight into whether the Celtic's problems were due to Danny himself or due to the rest of the league letting OKC/Houston wallow in a barrage of picks they have no ability to keep on their rosters.

[Roy H.]

Here are my big regrets of the Danny era:

1.  Giannis (instead of KO)

2.  Jimmy Butler (over JaJuan Johnson)

3.  DeAndre Jordan / Mario Chalmers (over J.R. Giddens)

4.  Dejounte Murray (instead of Yabusele)

But, realistically, I didn't think any of those guys (outside of Chalmers) would be as good as they turned out.  For instance, I thought Jimmy Butler would be another Thybulle, or maybe a Sefolosha.  I will say, I thought we were misguided in going with two stashes in 2016, while keeping Demetrius Jackson on the roster.  Murray fell like a stone that draft, and I still don't understand it.

Danny has done a much, much better job than me overall, although I definitely wonder about "what could have been".

[Moranis]

Demetrius Jackson made the Celtics for the 2016-2017 season.  I mention this because he was a 2nd round pick that season.  Which means, Ainge didn't actually need to draft both Yabu and Zizic.  Yes, Ainge mismanaged the roster and didn't have enough spots, but he also was able to keep a 2nd round pick on the roster so there is absolutely no reason he couldn't have drafted someone at 16 or 23 to play on the team that season.

[Redz]

Here are my big regrets of the Danny era:

1.  Giannis (instead of KO)

2.  Jimmy Butler (over JaJuan Johnson)

3.  DeAndre Jordan / Mario Chalmers (over J.R. Giddens)

4.  Dejounte Murray (instead of Yabusele)

But, realistically, I didn't think any of those guys (outside of Chalmers) would be as good as they turned out.  For instance, I thought Jimmy Butler would be another Thybulle, or maybe a Sefolosha.  I will say, I thought we were misguided in going with two stashes in 2016, while keeping Demetrius Jackson on the roster.  Murray fell like a stone that draft, and I still don't understand it.

Danny has done a much, much better job than me overall, although I definitely wonder about "what could have been".

I wonder if the Celtics would have had the patience/ability to develop Murray under Stevens.  He is in his 5th season and has shown stready incremental gains each year (starting from barely playing his rookie year).

[Moranis]

Here are my big regrets of the Danny era:

1.  Giannis (instead of KO)

2.  Jimmy Butler (over JaJuan Johnson)

3.  DeAndre Jordan / Mario Chalmers (over J.R. Giddens)

4.  Dejounte Murray (instead of Yabusele)

But, realistically, I didn't think any of those guys (outside of Chalmers) would be as good as they turned out.  For instance, I thought Jimmy Butler would be another Thybulle, or maybe a Sefolosha.  I will say, I thought we were misguided in going with two stashes in 2016, while keeping Demetrius Jackson on the roster.  Murray fell like a stone that draft, and I still don't understand it.

Danny has done a much, much better job than me overall, although I definitely wonder about "what could have been".

I wonder if the Celtics would have had the patience/ability to develop Murray under Stevens.  He is in his 5th season and has shown stready incremental gains each year (starting from barely playing his rookie year).

Brown, Tatum, Williams, and Smart have all done just fine developing under Stevens.  Rozier as well before he left.

[Redz]

Here are my big regrets of the Danny era:

1.  Giannis (instead of KO)

2.  Jimmy Butler (over JaJuan Johnson)

3.  DeAndre Jordan / Mario Chalmers (over J.R. Giddens)

4.  Dejounte Murray (instead of Yabusele)

But, realistically, I didn't think any of those guys (outside of Chalmers) would be as good as they turned out.  For instance, I thought Jimmy Butler would be another Thybulle, or maybe a Sefolosha.  I will say, I thought we were misguided in going with two stashes in 2016, while keeping Demetrius Jackson on the roster.  Murray fell like a stone that draft, and I still don't understand it.

Danny has done a much, much better job than me overall, although I definitely wonder about "what could have been".

I wonder if the Celtics would have had the patience/ability to develop Murray under Stevens.  He is in his 5th season and has shown stready incremental gains each year (starting from barely playing his rookie year).

Brown, Tatum, Williams, and Smart have all done just fine developing under Stevens.  Rozier as well before he left.

True, but they were all playing much more significant roles much earlier in their careers.  And were much higher picks (except for Rozier).

[Roy H.]

Here are my big regrets of the Danny era:

1.  Giannis (instead of KO)

2.  Jimmy Butler (over JaJuan Johnson)

3.  DeAndre Jordan / Mario Chalmers (over J.R. Giddens)

4.  Dejounte Murray (instead of Yabusele)

But, realistically, I didn't think any of those guys (outside of Chalmers) would be as good as they turned out.  For instance, I thought Jimmy Butler would be another Thybulle, or maybe a Sefolosha.  I will say, I thought we were misguided in going with two stashes in 2016, while keeping Demetrius Jackson on the roster.  Murray fell like a stone that draft, and I still don't understand it.

Danny has done a much, much better job than me overall, although I definitely wonder about "what could have been".

I wonder if the Celtics would have had the patience/ability to develop Murray under Stevens.  He is in his 5th season and has shown stready incremental gains each year (starting from barely playing his rookie year).

Brown, Tatum, Williams, and Smart have all done just fine developing under Stevens.  Rozier as well before he left.

True, but they were all playing much more significant roles much earlier in their careers.  And were much higher picks (except for Rozier).

I’ve always found it weird that Murray fell like that.  A couple of guys really slid, like Skal Labissiere.  Was Harry Giles that year, too?  But Murray seemed to have lottery potential.

[NHHillbilly]

Here are my big regrets of the Danny era:

1.  Giannis (instead of KO)

2.  Jimmy Butler (over JaJuan Johnson)

3.  DeAndre Jordan / Mario Chalmers (over J.R. Giddens)

4.  Dejounte Murray (instead of Yabusele)

But, realistically, I didn't think any of those guys (outside of Chalmers) would be as good as they turned out.  For instance, I thought Jimmy Butler would be another Thybulle, or maybe a Sefolosha.  I will say, I thought we were misguided in going with two stashes in 2016, while keeping Demetrius Jackson on the roster.  Murray fell like a stone that draft, and I still don't understand it.

Danny has done a much, much better job than me overall, although I definitely wonder about "what could have been".

I wonder if the Celtics would have had the patience/ability to develop Murray under Stevens.  He is in his 5th season and has shown stready incremental gains each year (starting from barely playing his rookie year).

I wanted to mention that in an interview I saw, Danny Ainge says the biggest draft flub he regretted was not taking Jimmy Butler. Ainge really liked Butler.

[todd_days_41]

Let’s just focus on the draft and related transactions for the last 3 years. The Cs have build a list of young and end of roster players as follows:

Langford
Nesmith
G Williams
Pritchard
Fernando
Brodric Thomas
Sam Hauser
Javonte Green (needlessly traded)
Edwards (signed highest guaranteed deal for 2nd rounder at time – cut)
Fall (FA signing -- cut)
Waters (drafted -- cut)
Parker (FA signing -- cut)
Rights to Yam Mader
Rights to Beragin


Without lifting a finger, the Cs could have:

Thybuille (instead of Langford)
Brandon Clarke (instead of trading the Thybuille pick…. OR any one of Little, Poole, Keldon Johnson, Jerome, Bazley, or Claxton… would be better than Langford to begin with)
G Williams
Cody Martin (or Horton-Tucker, Paschall, Roby, or Mann – all useful players picked after Edwards)
Jalen McDaniels (picked immediately after Waters)
Cole Anthony (or Saddiq Bey, who is really good, or Maxey, who is really good, and a few others…. Instead of Nosmith)
Pritchard
Desmond Bane (dumped his pick for nothing)
Javonte Green (needlessly dumped last year in favor of lousy draft picks we’re embarrassed to trade too quickly)
Max Strus (moved off of a two way deal in favor of Fall and Waters, then cut)
Garrison Matthews (cut in favor of Parker and / or Fernando)
Paul Reed (picked after Mader)
Brandon Boston (or Aaron Wiggins -- picked after Beragin)

Did I miss any? So basically, they got Williams right, and on Pritchard, jury’s still out. The rest? That my friends is the worst long-tail roster management in the NBA over the past 3 years. WHOA is that bad.

[slamtheking]

Let’s just focus on the draft and related transaction for the last 3 years. The Cs have build a list of young and end of roster players as follows:

Langford
Nesmith
G Williams
Pritchard
Fernando
Brodric Thomas
Sam Hauser
Javonte Green (needlessly traded)
Edwards (signed highest guaranteed deal for 2nd rounder at time – cut)
Fall (FA signing -- cut)
Waters (drafted -- cut)
Parker (FA signing -- cut)
Rights to Yam Mader
Rights to Beragin


Without lifting a finger, the Cs could have:
Thybuille (instead of Langford)
Brandon Clarke (instead of trading the Thybuille pick…. OR any one of Little, Poole, Keldon Johnson, Jerome, Bazley, or Claxton… would be better than Langford to begin with)
G Williams
Cody Martin (or Horton-Tucker, Paschall, Roby, or Mann – all useful players picked after Edwards)
Jalen McDaniels (picked immediately after Waters)
Cole Anthony (or Saddiq Bey, who is really good, or Maxey, who is really good, and a few others…. Instead of Nosmith)
Pritchard
Desmond Bane (dumped his pick for nothing)
Javonte Green (needlessly dumped last year in favor of lousy draft picks we’re embarrassed to trade too quickly)
Max Strus (moved off of a two way deal in favor of Fall and Waters, then cut)
Garrison Matthews (cut in favor of Parker and / or Fernando)
Paul Reed (picked after Mader)
Brandon Boston (or Aaron Wiggins -- picked after Beragin)


Did I miss any? So basically, they got Williams right, and on Pritchard, jury’s still out. The rest? That my friends is the worst long-tail roster management in the NBA over the past 3 years. WHOA is that bad.

so let's break down your great ideas:

Thybuille (instead of Langford)
--> if Thybulle was taken at 14 that would have been an egregious overreach for a player who's ultimate upside is a worse-shooting lite version of Marcus Smart.  while I like this kid's defense, his offense is horrific and if Danny picked him in this slot, he should have been fired on the spot.  I'll keep Langford who plays terrific D, rebounds, gets his nose dirty on plays AND can ball handle and score.
Brandon Clarke (instead of trading the Thybuille pick…. OR any one of Little, Poole, Keldon Johnson, Jerome, Bazley, or Claxton… would be better than Langford to begin with)
-->see above.  keeping Langford.  not a bad player to have but he's not a big miss by Danny.
G Williams
-->better than the two players above that you're complaining we missed out on.
Cody Martin (or Horton-Tucker, Paschall, Roby, or Mann – all useful players picked after Edwards)
-->Edwards didn't pan out but none of these guys are killing it.  they're still in the league so that's a leg up on Edwards
Jalen McDaniels (picked immediately after Waters)
-->not exactly killing it.  team needed a PG, waters wasn't devoid of talent but not good enough to get on the roster
Cole Anthony (or Saddiq Bey, who is really good, or Maxey, who is really good, and a few others…. Instead of Nesmith)
-->Liked Bey in the draft and looks like a decent player although playing in Detroit may be inflating his number.  Anthony looked iffy as a prospect and haven't seen anything to quell those concerns.  Maxey looks solid but is another short guard we didn't need.  My personal viewpoint on draft picks is to wait until year 3 before evaluating them.  We'll see what Nesmith brings to the table next year -- I'm suspecting a high-energy player able to make shots from all over the floor and will be mentioned in the same breath as those other 3 in terms of skill level.
Pritchard
-->decent prospect this late in the first round.  can shoot.  hustles.  decent handles but has to work on what to do when he drives the lane and gets shut down.
Desmond Bane (dumped his pick for nothing)
--> this isn't a pick blown by talent evaluation but by poor roster management.  Bane looks like a solid player but C's should have either made room on the roster to keep him or used the pick to improve the roster through a trade rather than trade for worse future assets.
Javonte Green (needlessly dumped last year in favor of lousy draft picks we’re embarrassed to trade too quickly)
-->like his energy but he's not getting us to the promised land. 
Max Strus (moved off of a two way deal in favor of Fall and Waters, then cut)
-->not losing sleep over him.  you shouldn't either.
Garrison Matthews (cut in favor of Parker and / or Fernando)
-->team needed bigs and hoped Parker had something in the tank.  not worried about missing this kid when the upside of a revitalized Parker was a worthy risk.
Paul Reed (picked after Mader)
-->Mader pick was purely D&S, not based on BPA.  complain about roster management, not talent in terms of this pick.
Brandon Boston (or Aaron Wiggins -- picked after Beragin)
-->same as above -- issue was about D&S ability, not BPA though Begarin looks intriguing.

now, let's look at the bigger picture which you missed.  you've listed out 13 players here that according to you should be on the C's roster.  that leaves spots for 2 other players.  let's assume for the sake of argument that your roster mismanagement and love for draft picks didn't run Jaylen and Jayson out of town for greener pastures, they'd make up your 15 man roster.  Pretty bad team and roster management that makes Danny look good.  A lot of guys who wouldn't deserve minutes over the likes of Al, Timelord, Smart, Shroder, Richardson.   You've got Bey, Bane and Thybulle all fighting for SG minutes if you've gotten rid of everyone you didn't draft OR they're stuck behind the vet players we have on the roster and were wasted picks because we don't need that many SGs OR you've got the typical brigade of posters screaming that their draft binky isn't getting the playing time that they think they deserve. 

[todd_days_41]

Let’s just focus on the draft and related transaction for the last 3 years. The Cs have build a list of young and end of roster players as follows:

Langford
Nesmith
G Williams
Pritchard
Fernando
Brodric Thomas
Sam Hauser
Javonte Green (needlessly traded)
Edwards (signed highest guaranteed deal for 2nd rounder at time – cut)
Fall (FA signing -- cut)
Waters (drafted -- cut)
Parker (FA signing -- cut)
Rights to Yam Mader
Rights to Beragin


Without lifting a finger, the Cs could have:
Thybuille (instead of Langford)
Brandon Clarke (instead of trading the Thybuille pick…. OR any one of Little, Poole, Keldon Johnson, Jerome, Bazley, or Claxton… would be better than Langford to begin with)
G Williams
Cody Martin (or Horton-Tucker, Paschall, Roby, or Mann – all useful players picked after Edwards)
Jalen McDaniels (picked immediately after Waters)
Cole Anthony (or Saddiq Bey, who is really good, or Maxey, who is really good, and a few others…. Instead of Nosmith)
Pritchard
Desmond Bane (dumped his pick for nothing)
Javonte Green (needlessly dumped last year in favor of lousy draft picks we’re embarrassed to trade too quickly)
Max Strus (moved off of a two way deal in favor of Fall and Waters, then cut)
Garrison Matthews (cut in favor of Parker and / or Fernando)
Paul Reed (picked after Mader)
Brandon Boston (or Aaron Wiggins -- picked after Beragin)


Did I miss any? So basically, they got Williams right, and on Pritchard, jury’s still out. The rest? That my friends is the worst long-tail roster management in the NBA over the past 3 years. WHOA is that bad.

so let's break down your great ideas:

Thybuille (instead of Langford)
--> if Thybulle was taken at 14 that would have been an egregious overreach for a player who's ultimate upside is a worse-shooting lite version of Marcus Smart.  while I like this kid's defense, his offense is horrific and if Danny picked him in this slot, he should have been fired on the spot.  I'll keep Langford who plays terrific D, rebounds, gets his nose dirty on plays AND can ball handle and score.
Brandon Clarke (instead of trading the Thybuille pick…. OR any one of Little, Poole, Keldon Johnson, Jerome, Bazley, or Claxton… would be better than Langford to begin with)
-->see above.  keeping Langford.  not a bad player to have but he's not a big miss by Danny.
G Williams
-->better than the two players above that you're complaining we missed out on.
Cody Martin (or Horton-Tucker, Paschall, Roby, or Mann – all useful players picked after Edwards)
-->Edwards didn't pan out but none of these guys are killing it.  they're still in the league so that's a leg up on Edwards
Jalen McDaniels (picked immediately after Waters)
-->not exactly killing it.  team needed a PG, waters wasn't devoid of talent but not good enough to get on the roster
Cole Anthony (or Saddiq Bey, who is really good, or Maxey, who is really good, and a few others…. Instead of Nesmith)
-->Liked Bey in the draft and looks like a decent player although playing in Detroit may be inflating his number.  Anthony looked iffy as a prospect and haven't seen anything to quell those concerns.  Maxey looks solid but is another short guard we didn't need.  My personal viewpoint on draft picks is to wait until year 3 before evaluating them.  We'll see what Nesmith brings to the table next year -- I'm suspecting a high-energy player able to make shots from all over the floor and will be mentioned in the same breath as those other 3 in terms of skill level.
Pritchard
-->decent prospect this late in the first round.  can shoot.  hustles.  decent handles but has to work on what to do when he drives the lane and gets shut down.
Desmond Bane (dumped his pick for nothing)
--> this isn't a pick blown by talent evaluation but by poor roster management.  Bane looks like a solid player but C's should have either made room on the roster to keep him or used the pick to improve the roster through a trade rather than trade for worse future assets.
Javonte Green (needlessly dumped last year in favor of lousy draft picks we’re embarrassed to trade too quickly)
-->like his energy but he's not getting us to the promised land. 
Max Strus (moved off of a two way deal in favor of Fall and Waters, then cut)
-->not losing sleep over him.  you shouldn't either.
Garrison Matthews (cut in favor of Parker and / or Fernando)
-->team needed bigs and hoped Parker had something in the tank.  not worried about missing this kid when the upside of a revitalized Parker was a worthy risk.
Paul Reed (picked after Mader)
-->Mader pick was purely D&S, not based on BPA.  complain about roster management, not talent in terms of this pick.
Brandon Boston (or Aaron Wiggins -- picked after Beragin)
-->same as above -- issue was about D&S ability, not BPA though Begarin looks intriguing.

now, let's look at the bigger picture which you missed.  you've listed out 13 players here that according to you should be on the C's roster.  that leaves spots for 2 other players.  let's assume for the sake of argument that your roster mismanagement and love for draft picks didn't run Jaylen and Jayson out of town for greener pastures, they'd make up your 15 man roster.  Pretty bad team and roster management that makes Danny look good.  A lot of guys who wouldn't deserve minutes over the likes of Al, Timelord, Smart, Shroder, Richardson.   You've got Bey, Bane and Thybulle all fighting for SG minutes if you've gotten rid of everyone you didn't draft OR they're stuck behind the vet players we have on the roster and were wasted picks because we don't need that many SGs OR you've got the typical brigade of posters screaming that their draft binky isn't getting the playing time that they think they deserve.

There is absolutely zero that's persuasive in your post. You don't like me taking MT in Langford's spot? Fine, take Grant Williams there, take Thybuille in his own slot (which we traded out of needlessly), and take another guy who can ACTUALLY play consistently in the NBA where Williams was picked. The point is: the Celtics ****** it up royally.

And I never stated they should ALL still be in the roster, as clearly the list above include folks who are now gone... mostly because they're terrible. The point was to demonstrate ridiculously bad decision making at the times they were made. Over and over and over again despite it only being since the summer of 2019.

Can you give me an example of an NBA team whose made worse decisions like these in the past 3 years?

[Moranis]

Here are my big regrets of the Danny era:

1.  Giannis (instead of KO)

2.  Jimmy Butler (over JaJuan Johnson)

3.  DeAndre Jordan / Mario Chalmers (over J.R. Giddens)

4.  Dejounte Murray (instead of Yabusele)

But, realistically, I didn't think any of those guys (outside of Chalmers) would be as good as they turned out.  For instance, I thought Jimmy Butler would be another Thybulle, or maybe a Sefolosha.  I will say, I thought we were misguided in going with two stashes in 2016, while keeping Demetrius Jackson on the roster.  Murray fell like a stone that draft, and I still don't understand it.

Danny has done a much, much better job than me overall, although I definitely wonder about "what could have been".

I wonder if the Celtics would have had the patience/ability to develop Murray under Stevens.  He is in his 5th season and has shown stready incremental gains each year (starting from barely playing his rookie year).

Brown, Tatum, Williams, and Smart have all done just fine developing under Stevens.  Rozier as well before he left.

True, but they were all playing much more significant roles much earlier in their careers.  And were much higher picks (except for Rozier).

Williams was a later pick and probably got less playing time than Murray would have.