4 Team trade idea Cs, Kings, 76ers, and Jazz

[CFAN38]

I haven't tossed out any random trade ideas in a long time but this seems like it makes sense for all the teams involved.


Celtics get Harrison Barnes
Celtics give up Schroeder, Richardson, Hernangomez, and a lotto protected 1st

Kings get Ben Simmons and Josh Richardson
Kings give up Fox and Barnes

76ers get Fox, Hernengomez, Cs 2022 lotto protected pick, Jazz 2021 1st
76ers give up Simmons

Jazz get Schroeder
Jazz give up 2023 1st (use their TPE)


My logic

Celtics, they add a playoff proven vet in Barnes who could come in and start pushing either AL or R-Will to the bench. He would give the Cs a clear 3rd option on offense and hopefully stabilize the team. This trade also cleans up the rotation. Moving Schroeder clears the path for a full time role for Pritchard. Moving AL or R-Will to the bench will cut down on the need to play a two big lineup and gives the Cs a relatively clear 8 man rotation with Al/R- Will, Grant and Pritchard being the first 3 off the bench. The open roster spots will allow the Cs to offer min contracts to two on the many guys floating in and out of the league on 10 days deals. (its also likely that the Kings or 76ers would add a cheap player on their bench to make roster space work)

76ers, they move on from Simmons while adding a flawed "star" in Fox and 2 firsts. Not a great haul but one that I think will be in line with his market value.

King, this trade gives them an interesting lineup. Haliburton, Hield, Richardson, Simmons and Holmes is a nice fitting starting 5 with Mitchell as their 6th man. This group is young and the pieces compliment Simmons really well.

Jazz, they are in the Championship push and giving up a late first for a spark off the bench just makes sense. 

[Goldstar88]

One of the better trade ideas. Couple questions. Though. Would Barnes be starting or is he just replacing Richardson off the bench? Are we able to re-sign Barnes as he is an UFA after next season? Smart, Brown, Barnes, Tatum and Timelord would be interesting. Let Al come off the bench.

[Surferdad]

I like it because we don't give up anyone in our core (though I'd love to keep J-Rich).  From C's perspective it's basically Schroder for Barnes, so I'll take that.

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TP for the effort.  lots of moving parts in that trade.  I like getting Barnes for the C's....
I think it makes sense for Celtics, 76ers, and Utah, but not sure about Sacramento.
Do the Kings see Simmons as a much better player than Fox?  Kings seem to be giving up the most and taking the most risk.

[wiley]

Two Firsts and Fox seems a bit too generous to Philly considering their situation...

For Celtics, would love Barnes..but the first, which could be middle of first if things don't get better, (with or without Barnes), I wouldn't throw in...so  bit too much from Celtics (I also like Schroeder and Richardson both, but understand how they may need to be traded...but those two plus first round seems a bit expensive for Barnes. ( I could be wrong on the expense needed for Barnes).

[Moranis]

What exactly does Barnes do for the team?  Does he even add the wins the team loses in Schroder and Richardson (let alone a 1st)?

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What exactly does Barnes do for the team?  Does he even add the wins the team loses in Schroder and Richardson (let alone a 1st)?

He can score the ball, and is shooting 42% from 3 this year.  I think those things help our team.  DS seems to cause a lot of chaos, and even though I like J Rich, I think Barnes is a lot better.

[slamtheking]

Team needs a lot more than Barnes to right this ship.  a bit of an overpay by the C's too considering they'll have a pick in the mid-first this year. 

[CFAN38]

With the real risk that the Cs lotto protected first ends up being the 15th or 16th pick and the initial reaction that Fox and (2) firsts is an over pay for Simmons maybe this deal makes more sense if Schroder is a separate trade that nets the Cs a 1st from the Jazz?


As for the value of Barnes I see him becoming this teams clear 3rd option who can play more in the flow then Schroeder currently does. The addition of Barnes will allow the Cs to rotate between Tatum/Brown/Barnes, Tatum/Barnes, Brown/Barnes, and Tatum/Brown through out the game rather then periods of time where the offense becomes very focus on one player when either Jay is on the bench. I also really like the idea of a small ball lineup with Smart, JB, Tatum, Barnes, and Grant. This could be the best switching lineup in the entire league with the potential to shoot the ball very well. The added benefit of this trade is it opens up a clear role for Pritchard who is coming off of averaging 10ppg this past month and gives the Cs a path to get Nesmith/Romeo more minutes. I particularly think Nesmith's energy is really needed for a team that can go very flat.

Taking a quick look with the open roster spot I could see Brad Wannamaker being brought back as the Cs 3rd PG post trade   

[Moranis]

What exactly does Barnes do for the team?  Does he even add the wins the team loses in Schroder and Richardson (let alone a 1st)?

He can score the ball, and is shooting 42% from 3 this year.  I think those things help our team.  DS seems to cause a lot of chaos, and even though I like J Rich, I think Barnes is a lot better.

Richardson is shooting 40% from 3 though and Grant is 42.6% (who Barnes would presumably take minutes from).  Without Schroder the team relies even more on Smart to handle PG duties.  Barnes may be the best player of those 3 in a vacuum, but I don't think he makes the C's any better this year and the loss of the pick hurts going forward as well (even if just for flexibility on a trade that actually makes the team better).  I just don't see the point in that trade, as I don't consider Barnes a long term piece that is worth the price it would take to acquire him.  He made way more sense going into the TPE last year that ultimately went to Fournier.  I just don't see the point this year.

[CFAN38]

What exactly does Barnes do for the team?  Does he even add the wins the team loses in Schroder and Richardson (let alone a 1st)?

He can score the ball, and is shooting 42% from 3 this year.  I think those things help our team.  DS seems to cause a lot of chaos, and even though I like J Rich, I think Barnes is a lot better.

Richardson is shooting 40% from 3 though and Grant is 42.6% (who Barnes would presumably take minutes from).  Without Schroder the team relies even more on Smart to handle PG duties.  Barnes may be the best player of those 3 in a vacuum, but I don't think he makes the C's any better this year and the loss of the pick hurts going forward as well (even if just for flexibility on a trade that actually makes the team better).  I just don't see the point in that trade, as I don't consider Barnes a long term piece that is worth the price it would take to acquire him.  He made way more sense going into the TPE last year that ultimately went to Fournier.  I just don't see the point this year.

I think Barnes help on the court this year and more importantly next year. The talent consolidation of Schroeder and Richardson for Barnes has the added benefit of moving the Cs on from starting AL and R-Will, I like both players but don’t like the matchups created by starting both of them.

I do agree Barnes would have been the ideal use of last season TPE

[Moranis]

What exactly does Barnes do for the team?  Does he even add the wins the team loses in Schroder and Richardson (let alone a 1st)?

He can score the ball, and is shooting 42% from 3 this year.  I think those things help our team.  DS seems to cause a lot of chaos, and even though I like J Rich, I think Barnes is a lot better.

Richardson is shooting 40% from 3 though and Grant is 42.6% (who Barnes would presumably take minutes from).  Without Schroder the team relies even more on Smart to handle PG duties.  Barnes may be the best player of those 3 in a vacuum, but I don't think he makes the C's any better this year and the loss of the pick hurts going forward as well (even if just for flexibility on a trade that actually makes the team better).  I just don't see the point in that trade, as I don't consider Barnes a long term piece that is worth the price it would take to acquire him.  He made way more sense going into the TPE last year that ultimately went to Fournier.  I just don't see the point this year.

I think Barnes help on the court this year and more importantly next year. The talent consolidation of Schroeder and Richardson for Barnes has the added benefit of moving the Cs on from starting AL and R-Will, I like both players but don’t like the matchups created by starting both of them.

I do agree Barnes would have been the ideal use of last season TPE

I guess I just don't think Barnes is more talented then Schroder and Richardson combined.  Now if it was just Richardson and Hernangomez (and the 1st),  I'd be more inclined to do that trade.  The inclusion of Schroder makes it a bad trade for Boston even with the reality that Schroder probably isn't going to be back next year. 

That trade doesn't elevate Boston at all and it costs assets.  Just not a good trade.

[CFAN38]

What exactly does Barnes do for the team?  Does he even add the wins the team loses in Schroder and Richardson (let alone a 1st)?

He can score the ball, and is shooting 42% from 3 this year.  I think those things help our team.  DS seems to cause a lot of chaos, and even though I like J Rich, I think Barnes is a lot better.

Richardson is shooting 40% from 3 though and Grant is 42.6% (who Barnes would presumably take minutes from).  Without Schroder the team relies even more on Smart to handle PG duties.  Barnes may be the best player of those 3 in a vacuum, but I don't think he makes the C's any better this year and the loss of the pick hurts going forward as well (even if just for flexibility on a trade that actually makes the team better).  I just don't see the point in that trade, as I don't consider Barnes a long term piece that is worth the price it would take to acquire him.  He made way more sense going into the TPE last year that ultimately went to Fournier.  I just don't see the point this year.

I think Barnes help on the court this year and more importantly next year. The talent consolidation of Schroeder and Richardson for Barnes has the added benefit of moving the Cs on from starting AL and R-Will, I like both players but don’t like the matchups created by starting both of them.

I do agree Barnes would have been the ideal use of last season TPE

I guess I just don't think Barnes is more talented then Schroder and Richardson combined.  Now if it was just Richardson and Hernangomez (and the 1st),  I'd be more inclined to do that trade.  The inclusion of Schroder makes it a bad trade for Boston even with the reality that Schroder probably isn't going to be back next year. 

That trade doesn't elevate Boston at all and it costs assets.  Just not a good trade.

The structure of this trade also allows for the possibility that the 76ers do not get the Jazz pick and instead the Cs keep that 1st.