I had a vivid dream we traded Brown

[liam]

 Last night. It was so vivid in fact, that I woke up excited to read the news and see who else was in the trade.  It's not very exciting, but we traded Jaylen for Josh Giddey and Shae Gileous Alexander. 

 Favors would needed to be added in real life, I was just curious if any poster would be interested In a package like this.  I think I created this because my dream is a tall pass first PG. Giddey is 6'8" and SGA would give us scoring to replace Jaylens.

OKC would put the phone down, laugh their asses off then continue laughing for the next 10-years on the idea of trading Giddey for Brown alone. He's a superstar in the making.

 A little strange you think Presti hangs up laughing at Jaylen for Giddey straight up. Care to elaborate..

Celtics fans continue to severely overrate Jaylen Brown, his 'stardom' and trade value where Giddey, is quickly showing he's OKC's best player and a potential cornerstone piece. I don't see Brown as someone you build a team around, Giddey I do.

He's a 25 year old ALL-Star.

Wow, that changes everything. 10 first round picks then. 🙄

I thought you said he was overrated? He's a 25 year old all star and that's a fact.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Back in the good old days in my native New England, I had an unconscious east coast bias. Now that I live in the west, I see the east coast bias all of the time. Folks writing off Giddey is simply some east coast bias for many of you guys. Dude is legit. Youngest person ever with a triple-double. That’s definitely something to be giddy about.

[nickagneta]

When Brown and Tatum have played in the playoffs, they have made a great duo and have had a ton of success for guys age 23 and 25. You add veteran talent to them for more playoff success. Guys like Harrison Barnes or Fred VanVleet. Guys with a playoff pedigree.

Considering JT/JB have not really accomplished anything in the playoffs without Hayward, Horford, Rozier, and other veterans, could not agree more that Tatum has had great success with the right veterans around him. But disagree JT/JB were a great duo during those championship runs because that was really Tatum and the veterans mostly.

You don't move one of the Jays for guys that are teenagers or just hit their drinking age and that probably have trouble spelling playoffs nevermind knowing how to play in them.

19 year old Tatum did fine in the playoffs with a good surrounding cast. Giddey looks like possibly the new 19 year old sensation (18th in the league in assists, close to averaging a triple-double, youngest person to ever get a triple-double). Who knows what he could possibly pull off with Tatum and legit veteran role players around them all? If we could turn JB into Giddey and two solid lunchpail veterans like a Harrison Barnes, or Giddey and SGA (highly skeptical OKC goes for that), that’s a must-do.

In both ECFs that the Jays were together they were the team's two highest scorers and difference makers. Horford was third banana that first ECF that was played without Kyrie and Smart, for the most part and Hayward wasn't even playing for most of the 2020 run.

Pooh, poohing JBs accomplishments but lauding JTs in those two ECF runs is just some serious JB hate. I'm biased towards Brown, but in both of those runs it can be easily argued without bias that Jaylen was the Celtics best overall player.

[GreenlyGreeny]

When Brown and Tatum have played in the playoffs, they have made a great duo and have had a ton of success for guys age 23 and 25. You add veteran talent to them for more playoff success. Guys like Harrison Barnes or Fred VanVleet. Guys with a playoff pedigree.

Considering JT/JB have not really accomplished anything in the playoffs without Hayward, Horford, Rozier, and other veterans, could not agree more that Tatum has had great success with the right veterans around him. But disagree JT/JB were a great duo during those championship runs because that was really Tatum and the veterans mostly.

You don't move one of the Jays for guys that are teenagers or just hit their drinking age and that probably have trouble spelling playoffs nevermind knowing how to play in them.

19 year old Tatum did fine in the playoffs with a good surrounding cast. Giddey looks like possibly the new 19 year old sensation (18th in the league in assists, close to averaging a triple-double, youngest person to ever get a triple-double). Who knows what he could possibly pull off with Tatum and legit veteran role players around them all? If we could turn JB into Giddey and two solid lunchpail veterans like a Harrison Barnes, or Giddey and SGA (highly skeptical OKC goes for that), that’s a must-do.

In both ECFs that the Jays were together they were the team's two highest scorers and difference makers. Horford was third banana that first ECF that was played without Kyrie and Smart, for the most part and Hayward wasn't even playing for most of the 2020 run.

Pooh, poohing JBs accomplishments but lauding JTs in those two ECF runs is just some serious JB hate. I'm biased towards Brown, but in both of those runs it can be easily argued without bias that Jaylen was the Celtics best overall player.

There’s no way we come within one quarter of dethroning the King without Tatum and Horford. Brown was ancillary. Had Hayward never gotten hurt, Brown would not have even played much and we likely go to the Finals that year (and possibly win it all the next year—heck, that probably happens had we traded JB for Kawhi, but unfortunately JKJB won the day back then…would rather not see that happen again).

[ausbacker]

 Last night. It was so vivid in fact, that I woke up excited to read the news and see who else was in the trade.  It's not very exciting, but we traded Jaylen for Josh Giddey and Shae Gileous Alexander. 

 Favors would needed to be added in real life, I was just curious if any poster would be interested In a package like this.  I think I created this because my dream is a tall pass first PG. Giddey is 6'8" and SGA would give us scoring to replace Jaylens.

OKC would put the phone down, laugh their asses off then continue laughing for the next 10-years on the idea of trading Giddey for Brown alone. He's a superstar in the making.

 A little strange you think Presti hangs up laughing at Jaylen for Giddey straight up. Care to elaborate..

Celtics fans continue to severely overrate Jaylen Brown, his 'stardom' and trade value where Giddey, is quickly showing he's OKC's best player and a potential cornerstone piece. I don't see Brown as someone you build a team around, Giddey I do.

He's a 25 year old ALL-Star.

Wow, that changes everything. 10 first round picks then. 🙄

I thought you said he was overrated? He's a 25 year old all star and that's a fact.

I see the nuance of sarcasm appears lost you on. I do rate Jaylen, I think he's a very good player JUST not a great player. IMO, he's someone you add as a piece around the superstar you're building around not as the center-piece as many here seem to think he is.

[nickagneta]

 Last night. It was so vivid in fact, that I woke up excited to read the news and see who else was in the trade.  It's not very exciting, but we traded Jaylen for Josh Giddey and Shae Gileous Alexander. 

 Favors would needed to be added in real life, I was just curious if any poster would be interested In a package like this.  I think I created this because my dream is a tall pass first PG. Giddey is 6'8" and SGA would give us scoring to replace Jaylens.

OKC would put the phone down, laugh their asses off then continue laughing for the next 10-years on the idea of trading Giddey for Brown alone. He's a superstar in the making.

 A little strange you think Presti hangs up laughing at Jaylen for Giddey straight up. Care to elaborate..

Celtics fans continue to severely overrate Jaylen Brown, his 'stardom' and trade value where Giddey, is quickly showing he's OKC's best player and a potential cornerstone piece. I don't see Brown as someone you build a team around, Giddey I do.

He's a 25 year old ALL-Star.

Wow, that changes everything. 10 first round picks then. 🙄

I thought you said he was overrated? He's a 25 year old all star and that's a fact.

I see the nuance of sarcasm appears lost you on. I do rate Jaylen, I think he's a very good player JUST not a great player. IMO, he's someone you add as a piece around the superstar you're building around not as the center-piece as many here seem to think he is.

Isn't Tatum the centerpiece and Jaylen that great 2nd piece you surround Tatum with?

Giddey shows great promise, but there is also the chance he never becomes as good as Jaylen is right now.

And this coming from a guy that said the three guys I wanted out of this draft were Scottie Barnes, Josh Giddey and Franz Wagner. I think all three will be stars but that all three are 3-4 years away from that, if they get there. Which is still a possibility.

[ausbacker]

 Last night. It was so vivid in fact, that I woke up excited to read the news and see who else was in the trade.  It's not very exciting, but we traded Jaylen for Josh Giddey and Shae Gileous Alexander. 

 Favors would needed to be added in real life, I was just curious if any poster would be interested In a package like this.  I think I created this because my dream is a tall pass first PG. Giddey is 6'8" and SGA would give us scoring to replace Jaylens.

OKC would put the phone down, laugh their asses off then continue laughing for the next 10-years on the idea of trading Giddey for Brown alone. He's a superstar in the making.

 A little strange you think Presti hangs up laughing at Jaylen for Giddey straight up. Care to elaborate..

Celtics fans continue to severely overrate Jaylen Brown, his 'stardom' and trade value where Giddey, is quickly showing he's OKC's best player and a potential cornerstone piece. I don't see Brown as someone you build a team around, Giddey I do.

He's a 25 year old ALL-Star.

Wow, that changes everything. 10 first round picks then. 🙄

I thought you said he was overrated? He's a 25 year old all star and that's a fact.

I see the nuance of sarcasm appears lost you on. I do rate Jaylen, I think he's a very good player JUST not a great player. IMO, he's someone you add as a piece around the superstar you're building around not as the center-piece as many here seem to think he is.

Isn't Tatum the centerpiece and Jaylen that great 2nd piece you surround Tatum with?

Giddey shows great promise, but there is also the chance he never becomes as good as Jaylen is right now.

And this coming from a guy that said the three guys I wanted out of this draft were Scottie Barnes, Josh Giddey and Franz Wagner. I think all three will be stars but that all three are 3-4 years away from that, if they get there. Which is still a possibility.

No, I don't like how the current Celtics are constructed and would be exploring all reasonable options to build around Tatum however, I'd also consider a Godfather offer for Tatum as I do have question marks over his game. As for the three players you picked, astute talent identification there, all three look fantastic.

[GreenlyGreeny]

 Last night. It was so vivid in fact, that I woke up excited to read the news and see who else was in the trade.  It's not very exciting, but we traded Jaylen for Josh Giddey and Shae Gileous Alexander. 

 Favors would needed to be added in real life, I was just curious if any poster would be interested In a package like this.  I think I created this because my dream is a tall pass first PG. Giddey is 6'8" and SGA would give us scoring to replace Jaylens.

OKC would put the phone down, laugh their asses off then continue laughing for the next 10-years on the idea of trading Giddey for Brown alone. He's a superstar in the making.

 A little strange you think Presti hangs up laughing at Jaylen for Giddey straight up. Care to elaborate..

Celtics fans continue to severely overrate Jaylen Brown, his 'stardom' and trade value where Giddey, is quickly showing he's OKC's best player and a potential cornerstone piece. I don't see Brown as someone you build a team around, Giddey I do.

He's a 25 year old ALL-Star.

Wow, that changes everything. 10 first round picks then. 🙄

I thought you said he was overrated? He's a 25 year old all star and that's a fact.

I see the nuance of sarcasm appears lost you on. I do rate Jaylen, I think he's a very good player JUST not a great player. IMO, he's someone you add as a piece around the superstar you're building around not as the center-piece as many here seem to think he is.

Isn't Tatum the centerpiece and Jaylen that great 2nd piece you surround Tatum with?

Giddey shows great promise, but there is also the chance he never becomes as good as Jaylen is right now.

There’s also the chance Giddey becomes even better than Jaylen. JB certainly does not own the record for youngest player with a triple-double, nor has he ever been 18th in the league in assists. Giddey is there halfway through his rookie season. Does Jaylen even have a single triple-double to his name dating back to college?

No risk = no reward.

JKJB is the safe bet. Safe bets do not win titles, though. 

[Jvalin]

I had a vivid dream I [cough] had a lovely dinner [cough] with Johanna. To each their own, I guess.

[KG Living Legend]

I had a vivid dream I [aherm] Johanna. To each their own, I guess.

 Might want to remove that post brother. Family friendly site.

[Kiorrik]

I had a vivid dream I [aherm] Johanna. To each their own, I guess.

 Might want to remove that post brother. Family friendly site.

All good. I "fixed" it.

[Moranis]

You'd pretty much have to trade Brown for both SGA and Giddey, even with SGA's shooting decline this year.  But that is also why OKC would never make that trade.  You might even have to trade SGA for Brown straight up as SGA has out performed Brown at every age.  Even this poor shooting season, his totals are better across the board than Brown's season 4 at the same age of 23. 

I just don't know why a rebuilding team like OKC would want to make that sort of trade.  Also, I'm not sure when SGA can actually be traded anyway as he signed his rookie extension over the summer.

[GreenlyGreeny]

You'd pretty much have to trade Brown for both SGA and Giddey, even with SGA's shooting decline this year.  But that is also why OKC would never make that trade.  You might even have to trade SGA for Brown straight up as SGA has out performed Brown at every age.  Even this poor shooting season, his totals are better across the board than Brown's season 4 at the same age of 23. 

I just don't know why a rebuilding team like OKC would want to make that sort of trade.  Also, I'm not sure when SGA can actually be traded anyway as he signed his rookie extension over the summer.

I agree that there’s little to no chance of OKC being willing to give up SGA and Giddey for Brown. But I do think they would be interested in Brown for Giddey and enough picks for us to get a third team involved such that we can possibly turn Brown and Smart into three solid players, including two very young potential future all-stars:

BOS In: Giddey, Haliburton, Barnes (or Hield if needed)
OKC In: Brown
SAC In: Smart, Langford, Nesmith, 2022 LAC 1st via OKC, 2023 MIA 1st via OKC, 2024 HOU 1st via OKC

In other words, Brown is traded for Giddey and three first-round picks (OKC has something like 15 of them in the next four years, so perhaps they even part with four picks). The picks are flipped alongside Smart, Langford and Nesmith to get Haliburton and Barnes (or Hield if Sacramento is unwilling to do the deal otherwise). The whole thing lowers our cap by $14-16 million, which could come in handy in the future (e.g., see the question at the end about Schröder possibly being available to re-sign if we clear that much cap now).

New nine-man rotation of facilitators who have the potential to help Tatum become a top five player in the next 1-2 years:

Haliburton/Schröder (at least for now)
Giddey/Richardson
Tatum/Richardson
Barnes/G. Williams
Timelord/Horford

If SAC is only willing to give Haliburton + Hield, not Barnes, start Richardson at the three, Tatum at the four, and Hield as backup to 2/3.

That’s a significant improvement for us now and certainly in the future since it’s quite easy to envision Giddey/Haliburton becoming one of the best backcourts in the league (they are already elite facilitators and may grow into even more). The fit with Tatum could be off-the-charts. It’s good enough that if nobody is willing to give us a first for Schröder, it would make more sense to keep him and try a playoff run. Does anybody know if we’d be able to possibly get Schröder to re-sign somehow by clearing the $14-16 million above? If we could get OKC to agree to take on Hernangomez, that becomes $20-22 million less a vet minimum player (hopefully Joe Johnson) to get us to fourteen players.

[ozgod]

It's a great trade for the Cs. For OKC I'm trying to work out why they would do it. Would you do this if you were Presti? I can't see them trading Giddey, let alone Giddey AND SGA. And probably not throwing in Dort in there as a ring in as well.

But hey it's nice to dream unfortunately my dreams are a bit more mundane 

[slamtheking]

 Last night. It was so vivid in fact, that I woke up excited to read the news and see who else was in the trade.  It's not very exciting, but we traded Jaylen for Josh Giddey and Shae Gileous Alexander. 

 Favors would needed to be added in real life, I was just curious if any poster would be interested In a package like this.  I think I created this because my dream is a tall pass first PG. Giddey is 6'8" and SGA would give us scoring to replace Jaylens.

OKC would put the phone down, laugh their asses off then continue laughing for the next 10-years on the idea of trading Giddey for Brown alone. He's a superstar in the making.

 A little strange you think Presti hangs up laughing at Jaylen for Giddey straight up. Care to elaborate..

Celtics fans continue to severely overrate Jaylen Brown, his 'stardom' and trade value where Giddey, is quickly showing he's OKC's best player and a potential cornerstone piece. I don't see Brown as someone you build a team around, Giddey I do.

He's a 25 year old ALL-Star.

Wow, that changes everything. 10 first round picks then. 🙄

I thought you said he was overrated? He's a 25 year old all star and that's a fact.

I see the nuance of sarcasm appears lost you on. I do rate Jaylen, I think he's a very good player JUST not a great player. IMO, he's someone you add as a piece around the superstar you're building around not as the center-piece as many here seem to think he is.

Isn't Tatum the centerpiece and Jaylen that great 2nd piece you surround Tatum with?

Giddey shows great promise, but there is also the chance he never becomes as good as Jaylen is right now.

There’s also the chance Giddey becomes even better than Jaylen. JB certainly does not own the record for youngest player with a triple-double, nor has he ever been 18th in the league in assists. Giddey is there halfway through his rookie season. Does Jaylen even have a single triple-double to his name dating back to college?

No risk = no reward.

JKJB is the safe bet. Safe bets do not win titles, though.

and neither do really bad trades that dump our best players for inferior ones.