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PTDS
« on: January 03, 2022, 07:58:05 AM »

Offline mobilija

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Please Trade Dennis Shroeder

Sure, he may be worth a playoff win or two but I'd rather aquire an assett for him to make this team better long term.

Plus he has ball stop disease. Has some talent but think he exacerbates some of the lack of ball movement problems on this team. More Pritchard isnt that huge of a drop off.

So my new slogan.....PTDS, he gives me PTSD!

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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2022, 08:15:07 AM »

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I think there might be a scenario where Boston loses an asset to get Schröder off the payroll. Brad could let him play all the way through the playoffs, then trade him, with possibly Parker, and a second rounder to a team with cap space before the 2021-22 year ends, thereby reducing/eliminating the luxury tax hit.

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I think there might be a scenario where Boston loses an asset to get Schröder off the payroll. Brad could let him play all the way through the playoffs, then trade him, with possibly Parker, and a second rounder to a team with cap space before the 2021-22 year ends, thereby reducing/eliminating the luxury tax hit.
he's off the books at the end of the season.  If the team is still spinning its wheels playing .500 ball come the trade deadline I could see DS moved for a second rounder at that point but if the C's are moving up in the standings, I think they hold on to him through the playoffs and just let him go after the season.

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« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2022, 09:19:19 AM »

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I think there might be a scenario where Boston loses an asset to get Schröder off the payroll. Brad could let him play all the way through the playoffs, then trade him, with possibly Parker, and a second rounder to a team with cap space before the 2021-22 year ends, thereby reducing/eliminating the luxury tax hit.

I don’t think that works. He’s a FA at season’s end.

Regardless, why not trade Schroeder FOR an asset (hopefully into an exception), then as necessary use that asset (or a lesser one) to dump Hermangomez over over the summer to get under the tax? He has a non-guaranteed deal next year so the asset required to trade him would be minimal.

What’s the difference? Do we really need Denis for a playoff “run”?

It saves us one decent asset to use in a trade, or to draft the next bad young player to ship to Maine for the next couple years   :laugh: :laugh:

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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2022, 10:25:51 AM »

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It might depend on how the team is looking as the trading deadline approaches.  If we are playing decently we should keep him for the playoff run.  I'd only think about dealing him if the team is in shambles which I don't really expect.  I think keeping the rest of the guys happy and maybe winning those extra couple of playoff games is worth more than a second rounder.  If it's a late first rounder I'd think harder about it.

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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2022, 11:04:39 AM »

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The DS situation is a little weird to be honest.  We basically got him for nothing because of a lucky situation this offseason. He has value to a team that wants to make a run.  As of right now, the Celtics don't look like a team capable of making a run, however we have two All Star players that need to feel like they've got the management behind them.  Trading DS for a second round pick, despite being excellent asset management, might not make those guys very happy, and could be the beginning of a bigger issue down the line.  Additionally they might completely understand the move (I can't read their minds, but it's something to account for)

I think if moving DS before the trade deadline allows you to make moves that could lead to a bigger move that actually moves the needle this offseason or next year, then you do it.  If all you're getting back is a second round pick though, with very little ability to do more (like was stated, using the  second to also move Hernangomez and then using that added flexibility to make an additional bigger move) I think you keep him.

I agree that getting essentially a "free" second round pick for Dennis is good asset management, as he basically fell into our laps, but if that second round pick can't be used to make bigger impact moves, then I think goodwill with Tatum and Brown and saying "we live or die with how far you guys take us" has more value long term.

tl;dr - if trading Dennis is the domino to make bigger moves going forward, trade him.  If not, keep him to say to the Jays that we are behind them.

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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2022, 08:11:35 PM »

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Clearly we need to get the Suns and Warriors in a bidding war for Schröder: As an elite backup PG to their elite starting PG, he’s exactly what could push either team over the other in the WCF. This is a unique opportunity for us. If memory serves, we’ve already had our two games apiece against the Suns and Warriors, so we would not even play against him this season. Even if it ended up just being a first-round unprotected swap in 2026 or 2027, that could prove to be huge down the road (CP3, Curry, et al are not getting any younger, and who knows it Booker/Ayton will stick around or if the Warriors’ youth movement will pan out).
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This Article points out something I’ve been stating: the Knicks make a very logical trade partner for Schroeder

Weak backcourt, Plenty of draft capital, cap space this summer to resign, Thibs impatience.

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2022/01/04/boston-celtics-likely-trade-schroder/amp/2/

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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2022, 09:32:52 PM »

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This Article points out something I’ve been stating: the Knicks make a very logical trade partner for Schroeder

Weak backcourt, Plenty of draft capital, cap space this summer to resign, Thibs impatience.

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2022/01/04/boston-celtics-likely-trade-schroder/amp/2/
except he isn't a good defender and that is what Thibs likes.
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Please Trade Schroeder, Dennis

PTSD

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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2022, 11:09:22 PM »

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Please Trade Schroeder, Dennis

PTSD

This. No more ball stop disease.

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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2022, 11:51:21 PM »

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Please Trade Schroeder, Dennis

PTSD

This. No more ball stop disease.

If we're trading ball stoppers, then surely Jayson and Jaylen have to ho to, right?

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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2022, 12:03:18 AM »

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This Article points out something I’ve been stating: the Knicks make a very logical trade partner for Schroeder

Weak backcourt, Plenty of draft capital, cap space this summer to resign, Thibs impatience.

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2022/01/04/boston-celtics-likely-trade-schroder/amp/2/
except he isn't a good defender and that is what Thibs likes.

Is Kemba Walker? Why’d he sign him?

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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2022, 02:22:04 AM »

Offline pokeKingCurtis

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Please Trade Schroeder, Dennis

PTSD

This. No more ball stop disease.

Was trying to point out the missed opportunity by op for an acronym-pun :(

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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2022, 06:25:33 AM »

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Please Trade Schroeder, Dennis

PTSD

This. No more ball stop disease.

If we're trading ball stoppers, then surely Jayson and Jaylen have to ho to, right?

The Js need to act faster, no doubt. But DS is the worst offender - holds the ball longer than any Celtic. Longer than Tatum or PP, much longer than JB or Smart. https://www.nba.com/stats/players/touches/?sort=AVG_SEC_PER_TOUCH&dir=1&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612738&CF=MIN*G*9

And the thing is, DS is a huge ball-stopper with a slash line of 33/43 and true shooting % of 53 - well below league average. His assist-TO ratio is under 2.0 both this year and career, pretty bad for a guy who wants to be a starting PG. He’s a minus defender who is overpowered by a lot of PGs. 

True that he’s an amazing finisher at the rim, and those shots are memorable, but then there’s everything else he does.

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