Search for a new point guard

[nickagneta]

The new point guard is gonna have to come in the draft, IMO.

C’s are more than likely picking outside of the top 10, So I’m not sure drafting a point guard and waiting 2-3 years for them to develop is the best plan.

Rondo was the 21st pick and was a starter on the title team 2 years later. So it isn’t crazy either.

It also snows in Florida.

[seancally]

The new point guard is gonna have to come in the draft, IMO.

C’s are more than likely picking outside of the top 10, So I’m not sure drafting a point guard and waiting 2-3 years for them to develop is the best plan.

Rondo was the 21st pick and was a starter on the title team 2 years later. So it isn’t crazy either.

It also snows in Florida.

Starting caliber players land up and down the draft every year.

I’d prefer to land an established lead guard through trade, getting back a sure thing instead of a total unknown quantity in the draft. But the draft is still a legitimate resource. You’re not signing a lead playmakers in free agency, probably. And the trade options aren’t always there either. If there’s a solid prospect in the draft (TyTy Washington?) available from 10-20 in this upcoming draft that’s gotta be one avenue.

[Irish Stew]

Another approach might be to try to acquire a solid stretch 4. This would move Tatum to the three and Brown to the two. Pritchard becomes our 1. This would give us four starters that shoot the 3 for a team whose offense is designed to shoot the 3.

I was thinking about Siakam. He makes lots of money but it would allow us to match with salary dumps like Horford and Schroeder sweetened by a 1st round pick and a pick swap.

[Sophomore]

The new point guard is gonna have to come in the draft, IMO.

C’s are more than likely picking outside of the top 10, So I’m not sure drafting a point guard and waiting 2-3 years for them to develop is the best plan.

Rondo was the 21st pick and was a starter on the title team 2 years later. So it isn’t crazy either.

It also snows in Florida.

Yeah, Rondo was pretty unusual. And also, the ‘08 team needed a lot less from its PG than this team will.

[td450]

The new point guard is gonna have to come in the draft, IMO.

C’s are more than likely picking outside of the top 10, So I’m not sure drafting a point guard and waiting 2-3 years for them to develop is the best plan.

Rondo was the 21st pick and was a starter on the title team 2 years later. So it isn’t crazy either.

It also snows in Florida.

We can either pay a huge price for one of the few points out there that have already proven they are ready to be the lead playmaker on a title contender, or we can identify a less proven talent, pay less and bet they develop.

We don't have to just live with the draft positions we have. We are going to have to pay to get what we want. At some point we have to take a shot, or we just won't be a contender. We have talent, but we don't have a decision maker that can lead you through a playoff game against a tough team.

You can argue about what strategy gives us the best odds of getting the player we need. But so far, we haven't deployed any strategy.

Chicago is 27-14. They went and got Lonzo Ball and drafted Ayo Dosunmu. Not exactly earth shattering moves, but they were smart, focused decisions. It can work to do smart things when given the opportunity, even if they don't solve everything. Its better than doing nothing.

[nickagneta]

The new point guard is gonna have to come in the draft, IMO.

C’s are more than likely picking outside of the top 10, So I’m not sure drafting a point guard and waiting 2-3 years for them to develop is the best plan.

Rondo was the 21st pick and was a starter on the title team 2 years later. So it isn’t crazy either.

It also snows in Florida.

We can either pay a huge price for one of the few points out there that have already proven they are ready to be the lead playmaker on a title contender, or we can identify a less proven talent, pay less and bet they develop.

We don't have to just live with the draft positions we have. We are going to have to pay to get what we want. At some point we have to take a shot, or we just won't be a contender. We have talent, but we don't have a decision maker that can lead you through a playoff game against a tough team.

You can argue about what strategy gives us the best odds of getting the player we need. But so far, we haven't deployed any strategy.

Chicago is 27-14. They went and got Lonzo Ball and drafted Ayo Dosunmu. Not exactly earth shattering moves, but they were smart, focused decisions. It can work to do smart things when given the opportunity, even if they don't solve everything. Its better than doing nothing.

I wasn't commenting on the strategy. I was commenting on the likelihood of drafting a PG late to middle of the draft and that PG making significant playoff contributions to a title team...or one hoping to win a title....in a very short amount of time.

Drafting a PG that you think can be that floor general and developing them into that position is good strategy, just don't expect it to pay off with positive playoff contributions in year 2. It's exceedingly rare, like snow in Florida.

[td450]

The new point guard is gonna have to come in the draft, IMO.

C’s are more than likely picking outside of the top 10, So I’m not sure drafting a point guard and waiting 2-3 years for them to develop is the best plan.

Rondo was the 21st pick and was a starter on the title team 2 years later. So it isn’t crazy either.

It also snows in Florida.

We can either pay a huge price for one of the few points out there that have already proven they are ready to be the lead playmaker on a title contender, or we can identify a less proven talent, pay less and bet they develop.

We don't have to just live with the draft positions we have. We are going to have to pay to get what we want. At some point we have to take a shot, or we just won't be a contender. We have talent, but we don't have a decision maker that can lead you through a playoff game against a tough team.

You can argue about what strategy gives us the best odds of getting the player we need. But so far, we haven't deployed any strategy.

Chicago is 27-14. They went and got Lonzo Ball and drafted Ayo Dosunmu. Not exactly earth shattering moves, but they were smart, focused decisions. It can work to do smart things when given the opportunity, even if they don't solve everything. Its better than doing nothing.

I wasn't commenting on the strategy. I was commenting on the likelihood of drafting a PG late to middle of the draft and that PG making significant playoff contributions to a title team...or one hoping to win a title....in a very short amount of time.

Drafting a PG that you think can be that floor general and developing them into that position is good strategy, just don't expect it to pay off with positive playoff contributions in year 2. It's exceedingly rare, like snow in Florida.

So overpay for a better pick. Championships are fairly rare too.

We don't need someone to produce at a superstar level. We need someone to make smart decisions and promote pace and movement. Brown and Tatum can do everything else.

Years are going by.

[#1P4P]

Relying on the draft to provide a starting PG for a team looking to be title contender is a losing proposition.

It is essential that the PG be an excellent decision maker, ball handler, and defend his position well.

I continue to bang the drums for Fred VanVleet and Jalen Brunson. FVV is perfect for this team and JB brings similar skills except he is cheaper. It’s preferable if we can make either move only trading draft capital and matching salary.

For this to result into a title winning team, Ime has to be a better HC and Tatum and Brown have to become top 20 stalwarts.

[liam]

Hard to tell due to competition but looks really smooth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeI9Xy1Tqzc


or:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPxIFDJb2aA

Also interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtmZmW_ycME

[Goldstar88]

The Celtics had opportunities to upgrade at the PG position and they chose to stick with Smart. Jrue Holiday was traded to Milwaukee for 3 first round picks and two draft pick swaps. Bucks had to give up a lot of assets, but what are those picks really worth when you are a top team. Then the Bulls were able to get Lonzo Ball from the Pels over the summer for Temple, Satoransky and a second round pick.

If the Pacers do decide to blow things up, one player I would be willing to give up 2-3 first round picks for is Malcolm Brogdon. Would probably take a similar deal to the one for Jrue Holiday, but I think it worth doing.

[Who]

The Celtics had opportunities to upgrade at the PG position and they chose to stick with Smart. Jrue Holiday was traded to Milwaukee for 3 first round picks and two draft pick swaps. Bucks had to give up a lot of assets, but what are those picks really worth when you are a top team. Then the Bulls were able to get Lonzo Ball from the Pels over the summer for Temple, Satoransky and a second round pick.

If the Pacers do decide to blow things up, one player I would be willing to give up 2-3 first round picks for is Malcolm Brogdon. Would probably take a similar deal to the one for Jrue Holiday, but I think it worth doing.

I like his game but I am worried about all his injuries.

I googled Brogdon's name to check his stats and first two links are "Brogdon buys $5mil Atlanta mansion". You know he'd actually be really nice on that Atlanta team next to Trae Young. A John Collins for Brogdon trade could be good for both teams. Atlanta needs a secondary playmaker next to Young.

[Who]

Relying on the draft to provide a starting PG for a team looking to be title contender is a losing proposition.

It is essential that the PG be an excellent decision maker, ball handler, and defend his position well.

I continue to bang the drums for Fred VanVleet and Jalen Brunson. FVV is perfect for this team and JB brings similar skills except he is cheaper. It’s preferable if we can make either move only trading draft capital and matching salary.

For this to result into a title winning team, Ime has to be a better HC and Tatum and Brown have to become top 20 stalwarts.

How much do we think Jalen Brunson will cost?

I am thinking $20+ million per year. Maybe $22-23 million per. Plus it'll take a sign and trade with some assets heading back to Dallas.

[Who]

So I am basing that $22-23 million per annum for Brunson off of what Fred VanVleet got from Toronto.

After 2019-20, VanVleet averaged 17.6ppg 6.6apg 3.8rpg on a TS% of 55%. Those are quite similar to Brunson's numbers without Doncic. His numbers are lower with Doncic. So 16ppg 5.6apg 3.8rpg with Doncic. Those numbers are up to 19.7ppg 7.9apg without Doncic. His TS% is 57.4%.

So I feel VanVleet is a good marker for what Brunson may get which was 4yrs $85mil two years ago. So that is $21mil per year.

[footey]

We have the capital to draft Ty Ty Washington assuming he doesn’t become a top 10 pick.  following his performance v Tennessee yesterday, if that continues, he just might. Reminds me of a blend of Maxie and Quickley, former Kentucky guards who are killing it in NBA.

[BruceBanner18]

Relying on the draft to provide a starting PG for a team looking to be title contender is a losing proposition.

It is essential that the PG be an excellent decision maker, ball handler, and defend his position well.

I continue to bang the drums for Fred VanVleet and Jalen Brunson. FVV is perfect for this team and JB brings similar skills except he is cheaper. It’s preferable if we can make either move only trading draft capital and matching salary.

For this to result into a title winning team, Ime has to be a better HC and Tatum and Brown have to become top 20 stalwarts.

I have been beating the Brunson drum too. I'm not sure his cost with his pending UFA. I think he brings the mentality and skill set we need so I'd take a risk that is be able to retain him.