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Re: Management, I’m pleading with you; blow it up!
« Reply #45 on: December 28, 2021, 03:38:13 PM »

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I think that the C's need to give Tatum and to a lesser extent Brown some more time to grow.  They're 23 and 25 respectively.  I also want to see then develop Romeo and Nesmith. They're both high effort players and I thank they can develop into good high level role players/starters in the NBA.  I also think Grant has room to grow as player and his improvement this year give me hope he can level up. Rob still has the ability to be a high level starter if he can just be consistent.

That said everyone else on the team is who they are.  I don't see Smart, Richardson, or Schroder being more than what they already are and if the Cs stars (Brown and Tatum) were better and the team was contending then they'd be good veteran role player and keepers.  Unfortunately this team isn't a contender and those players are worth more to contenders. They need to be part of any trade discussion for picks or high potential players. Moving them will also give Romeo and Nesmith playing time to develop.

I see Al as a good player that has value to a contender but I see his salary this year making it unlikely that he will be traded.  In the offseason when he can be waived for salary relief he might get moved.

Re: Management, I’m pleading with you; blow it up!
« Reply #46 on: December 28, 2021, 03:46:46 PM »

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From what I've seen the last 1.5 seasons, I'd support BS and Ownership trading any player other than the Jay's for future driven, ceiling raising to a potential championship contender, moves that may make the team worse in the next 1.5 season but much better after that.

Re: Management, I’m pleading with you; blow it up!
« Reply #47 on: December 28, 2021, 03:53:22 PM »

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Let’s face it: We’ve got one superstar in JT and one nice young role player, possible lunch pail kind of starter in the future, in Grant Williams. Timelord is hurt too much and fool’s gold. Smart is decent but going to become more expensive (probably overpaid) in the near-future. Romeo is a bust, and so is Nesmith in all likelihood. Pritchard is not gonna make it as a consistent role player. Richardson is ok, but not a guy to build around. Horford is in the twilight of his career. Playing Enes is a political liability, like it or not (personally cannot stand the CCP but we can’t have our team being targeted by CCP). Everyone else other than JB is crap. And JB is just Glen Rice Part II…nice player as a number three guy, but we’re not winning a championship with him as our number two.

There’s no shame in rebuilding again. It allows a clean break from the Ainge era and, as others have pointed it out, it’s now or delay the inevitable until 2023 or 2024. I’d rather start the process now, clear room for Beal in case he wants to join Tatum in 2022 or 2023, and hope we have the assets (or space or draft someone incredible) to add a big 3 to Tatum/Beal. With those two secure, the team becomes extremely profitable in the St. Louis market and our two superstars are happy to see what Brad can build the next 3-5 years (it would be like if PP was standing alone in 2005 with Tony Allen being our Grant Williams back in the day, we then brought in PP’s BFF shortly after, and then we had worked on eventually adding KG and depth…except Tatum is much younger than PP was in 2005, and Beal would make Tatum/Beal so profitable in St. Louis, probably the biggest or second biggest market without an NBA team). Heck, they could even make it fun by moving most everyone for picks and fielding a bunch of reclamation projects and over-the-hill types on cheap contracts until we get our Big 3. If Ime falters after Stevens is done rebuilding, we can bring Stevens back on the bench for his wizardry like Pat Riley did in Miami in the mid 2000s en route to a title.

The above seems like our best bet by far…we really are too constrained to find any other way to a title…

Calling JT a superstar this far into the season is delusional.
Why?  He is averaging 25.6 p, 8.6 r, and 3.8 a.  Boston is 9.6 points per 100 possessions better with him on the floor as opposed to him being on the bench.  He obviously isn't shooting the ball very well, which has affected some of his advanced metrics, but he is still producing solid raw numbers AND the team is a lot better when he is in the game.  Isn't that what a superstar is?  He obviously isn't in the same class as Giannis, Durant, and Curry, but there are of course different tiers of superstar and thus far this year he is pretty much in the Harden, Embiid, etc. tier at least as the numbers go.

Not that you asked, lol, but I'll tell you why, IMO, Tatum is not a superstar: Superstars get lots of foul calls, and Tatum doesn't. You're not really a superstar until the league says you are, and the league does that by directing officials to "give that guy the calls." Tatum is definitely not in the Giannis/Durant/Curry class, but he's not even in the Harden/Embiid class, because those two guys consistently get the calls ... and Tatum doesn't.
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Re: Management, I’m pleading with you; blow it up!
« Reply #48 on: December 28, 2021, 05:28:32 PM »

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I watched Danny ainge blow a tank season by getting IT.  Then the coach not trying to tank, of course to the applause of some of the blind fandom.  That cost us a high draft pick.  Ainge has blown nearly every draft pick and then had a coach that could do nothing with them.  He gets in superstars and sticks with a coach that can do nothing with them.  That coach takes Ainges job to go and hire a coach like him that can do nothing with them.  The prices aren’t matching.  You need a strong coach and strong minded basketball players.  Ime is not a strong  ::) coach and brown and Tatum are not strong minded basketball players.  As they go , so the team goes, and here we are.   I honestly would like to see brown and Tatum go.  We can Probably find a hand full or vet guys that give us the same production those two give but maybe with more inspiration.  Tatum and brown are not what they think they are and won’t be.  It was a nice ride but time to rebuild.  The jays do not want to be here so let them go.  And don’t be fooled by the “ they’re still young crowd”. There are tons of young players playing at a high level right now.  Don’t get caught waiting for another James young to develop

Re: Management, I’m pleading with you; blow it up!
« Reply #49 on: December 28, 2021, 05:51:45 PM »

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I watched Danny ainge blow a tank season by getting IT.  Then the coach not trying to tank, of course to the applause of some of the blind fandom.  That cost us a high draft pick.  Ainge has blown nearly every draft pick and then had a coach that could do nothing with them.  He gets in superstars and sticks with a coach that can do nothing with them.  That coach takes Ainges job to go and hire a coach like him that can do nothing with them.  The prices aren’t matching.  You need a strong coach and strong minded basketball players.  Ime is not a strong  ::) coach and brown and Tatum are not strong minded basketball players.  As they go , so the team goes, and here we are.   I honestly would like to see brown and Tatum go.  We can Probably find a hand full or vet guys that give us the same production those two give but maybe with more inspiration.  Tatum and brown are not what they think they are and won’t be.  It was a nice ride but time to rebuild.  The jays do not want to be here so let them go.  And don’t be fooled by the “ they’re still young crowd”. There are tons of young players playing at a high level right now.  Don’t get caught waiting for another James young to develop

You’re not serious with this post, are you ? There is no way you think what you’re writing down here is true. No possible way.

Ainge has loaded this roster up with talent. Every position has talented youth. Develop them and build around them.

Personally, I’m trading Brown for 2/3 more fits for the team. I’m also thinking about moving Smart for another good fit as well.

I think we have one of the best young shooters in this league rotting on the bench and only playing 10 minutes a game. That’s a travesty. Save it for Covid and injury, we probably would barely see Pritchard on the floor. Ridiculous. Kid has big time shooting talent. Develop him Ime. That’s my biggest concern.

Re: Management, I’m pleading with you; blow it up!
« Reply #50 on: December 28, 2021, 07:54:59 PM »

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Let’s face it: We’ve got one superstar in JT and one nice young role player, possible lunch pail kind of starter in the future, in Grant Williams. Timelord is hurt too much and fool’s gold. Smart is decent but going to become more expensive (probably overpaid) in the near-future. Romeo is a bust, and so is Nesmith in all likelihood. Pritchard is not gonna make it as a consistent role player. Richardson is ok, but not a guy to build around. Horford is in the twilight of his career. Playing Enes is a political liability, like it or not (personally cannot stand the CCP but we can’t have our team being targeted by CCP). Everyone else other than JB is crap. And JB is just Glen Rice Part II…nice player as a number three guy, but we’re not winning a championship with him as our number two.

There’s no shame in rebuilding again. It allows a clean break from the Ainge era and, as others have pointed it out, it’s now or delay the inevitable until 2023 or 2024. I’d rather start the process now, clear room for Beal in case he wants to join Tatum in 2022 or 2023, and hope we have the assets (or space or draft someone incredible) to add a big 3 to Tatum/Beal. With those two secure, the team becomes extremely profitable in the St. Louis market and our two superstars are happy to see what Brad can build the next 3-5 years (it would be like if PP was standing alone in 2005 with Tony Allen being our Grant Williams back in the day, we then brought in PP’s BFF shortly after, and then we had worked on eventually adding KG and depth…except Tatum is much younger than PP was in 2005, and Beal would make Tatum/Beal so profitable in St. Louis, probably the biggest or second biggest market without an NBA team). Heck, they could even make it fun by moving most everyone for picks and fielding a bunch of reclamation projects and over-the-hill types on cheap contracts until we get our Big 3. If Ime falters after Stevens is done rebuilding, we can bring Stevens back on the bench for his wizardry like Pat Riley did in Miami in the mid 2000s en route to a title.

The above seems like our best bet by far…we really are too constrained to find any other way to a title…

Calling JT a superstar this far into the season is delusional.
Why?  He is averaging 25.6 p, 8.6 r, and 3.8 a.  Boston is 9.6 points per 100 possessions better with him on the floor as opposed to him being on the bench.  He obviously isn't shooting the ball very well, which has affected some of his advanced metrics, but he is still producing solid raw numbers AND the team is a lot better when he is in the game.  Isn't that what a superstar is?  He obviously isn't in the same class as Giannis, Durant, and Curry, but there are of course different tiers of superstar and thus far this year he is pretty much in the Harden, Embiid, etc. tier at least as the numbers go.

Not that you asked, lol, but I'll tell you why, IMO, Tatum is not a superstar: Superstars get lots of foul calls, and Tatum doesn't. You're not really a superstar until the league says you are, and the league does that by directing officials to "give that guy the calls." Tatum is definitely not in the Giannis/Durant/Curry class, but he's not even in the Harden/Embiid class, because those two guys consistently get the calls ... and Tatum doesn't.

Strange take, I gotta say. Never really saw Corey Maggette as a superstar back then but to each their own.
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Re: Management, I’m pleading with you; blow it up!
« Reply #51 on: December 28, 2021, 08:06:29 PM »

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This coming offseason, I hope management plans the build around Tatum instead of both Jays. Not a knock against JB who is an all-star level talent, but it’s a lot clearer when you have a franchise player to build around rather than 2 players. Even those Lakers squads with Shaq-Kobe were primarily built around Shaq despite having an insane talent in Kobe.

This doesn’t mean outright trade JB (particularly not for a lateral move) but it also doesn’t make him “untouchable”
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Re: Management, I’m pleading with you; blow it up!
« Reply #52 on: December 28, 2021, 09:52:29 PM »

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I watched Danny ainge blow a tank season by getting IT.  Then the coach not trying to tank, of course to the applause of some of the blind fandom.  That cost us a high draft pick.  Ainge has blown nearly every draft pick and then had a coach that could do nothing with them.  He gets in superstars and sticks with a coach that can do nothing with them.  That coach takes Ainges job to go and hire a coach like him that can do nothing with them.  The prices aren’t matching.  You need a strong coach and strong minded basketball players.  Ime is not a strong  ::) coach and brown and Tatum are not strong minded basketball players.  As they go , so the team goes, and here we are.   I honestly would like to see brown and Tatum go.  We can Probably find a hand full or vet guys that give us the same production those two give but maybe with more inspiration.  Tatum and brown are not what they think they are and won’t be.  It was a nice ride but time to rebuild.  The jays do not want to be here so let them go.  And don’t be fooled by the “ they’re still young crowd”. There are tons of young players playing at a high level right now.  Don’t get caught waiting for another James young to develop

You’re not serious with this post, are you ? There is no way you think what you’re writing down here is true. No possible way.

Ainge has loaded this roster up with talent. Every position has talented youth. Develop them and build around them.

Personally, I’m trading Brown for 2/3 more fits for the team. I’m also thinking about moving Smart for another good fit as well.

I think we have one of the best young shooters in this league rotting on the bench and only playing 10 minutes a game. That’s a travesty. Save it for Covid and injury, we probably would barely see Pritchard on the floor. Ridiculous. Kid has big time shooting talent. Develop him Ime. That’s my biggest concern.

The only thing that might remotely hold water from OP's post is the idea that Ainge hoarded assets a bit too much at certain points.

Either go full win-now, or go rebuild. Tried to win-now with Kyrie...etc., but also keep a lot of draft picks.

I don't blame him for trying though. Hindsight is 20/20, and really it was Hayward's leg and Kyrie's brain that ultimately messed us up, no amount of draft picks could have fixed that amount of bad luck.

Re: Management, I’m pleading with you; blow it up!
« Reply #53 on: December 28, 2021, 11:17:49 PM »

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Agree that we need a third star or high-level scorer to really make this team a contender. Not sure whether it’s enough, but even a McCollum type would be huge for us.
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Re: Management, I’m pleading with you; blow it up!
« Reply #54 on: December 29, 2021, 01:54:12 AM »

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Let’s face it: We’ve got one superstar in JT and one nice young role player, possible lunch pail kind of starter in the future, in Grant Williams. Timelord is hurt too much and fool’s gold. Smart is decent but going to become more expensive (probably overpaid) in the near-future. Romeo is a bust, and so is Nesmith in all likelihood. Pritchard is not gonna make it as a consistent role player. Richardson is ok, but not a guy to build around. Horford is in the twilight of his career. Playing Enes is a political liability, like it or not (personally cannot stand the CCP but we can’t have our team being targeted by CCP). Everyone else other than JB is crap. And JB is just Glen Rice Part II…nice player as a number three guy, but we’re not winning a championship with him as our number two.

There’s no shame in rebuilding again. It allows a clean break from the Ainge era and, as others have pointed it out, it’s now or delay the inevitable until 2023 or 2024. I’d rather start the process now, clear room for Beal in case he wants to join Tatum in 2022 or 2023, and hope we have the assets (or space or draft someone incredible) to add a big 3 to Tatum/Beal. With those two secure, the team becomes extremely profitable in the St. Louis market and our two superstars are happy to see what Brad can build the next 3-5 years (it would be like if PP was standing alone in 2005 with Tony Allen being our Grant Williams back in the day, we then brought in PP’s BFF shortly after, and then we had worked on eventually adding KG and depth…except Tatum is much younger than PP was in 2005, and Beal would make Tatum/Beal so profitable in St. Louis, probably the biggest or second biggest market without an NBA team). Heck, they could even make it fun by moving most everyone for picks and fielding a bunch of reclamation projects and over-the-hill types on cheap contracts until we get our Big 3. If Ime falters after Stevens is done rebuilding, we can bring Stevens back on the bench for his wizardry like Pat Riley did in Miami in the mid 2000s en route to a title.

The above seems like our best bet by far…we really are too constrained to find any other way to a title…

Calling JT a superstar this far into the season is delusional.
Why?  He is averaging 25.6 p, 8.6 r, and 3.8 a.  Boston is 9.6 points per 100 possessions better with him on the floor as opposed to him being on the bench.  He obviously isn't shooting the ball very well, which has affected some of his advanced metrics, but he is still producing solid raw numbers AND the team is a lot better when he is in the game.  Isn't that what a superstar is?  He obviously isn't in the same class as Giannis, Durant, and Curry, but there are of course different tiers of superstar and thus far this year he is pretty much in the Harden, Embiid, etc. tier at least as the numbers go.

Not that you asked, lol, but I'll tell you why, IMO, Tatum is not a superstar: Superstars get lots of foul calls, and Tatum doesn't. You're not really a superstar until the league says you are, and the league does that by directing officials to "give that guy the calls." Tatum is definitely not in the Giannis/Durant/Curry class, but he's not even in the Harden/Embiid class, because those two guys consistently get the calls ... and Tatum doesn't.

Strange take, I gotta say. Never really saw Corey Maggette as a superstar back then but to each their own.

I'm confused ... what's Maggette got to do with it? Did he get tons of calls at some point?
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Re: Management, I’m pleading with you; blow it up!
« Reply #55 on: December 29, 2021, 06:01:09 AM »

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Let’s face it: We’ve got one superstar in JT and one nice young role player, possible lunch pail kind of starter in the future, in Grant Williams. Timelord is hurt too much and fool’s gold. Smart is decent but going to become more expensive (probably overpaid) in the near-future. Romeo is a bust, and so is Nesmith in all likelihood. Pritchard is not gonna make it as a consistent role player. Richardson is ok, but not a guy to build around. Horford is in the twilight of his career. Playing Enes is a political liability, like it or not (personally cannot stand the CCP but we can’t have our team being targeted by CCP). Everyone else other than JB is crap. And JB is just Glen Rice Part II…nice player as a number three guy, but we’re not winning a championship with him as our number two.

There’s no shame in rebuilding again. It allows a clean break from the Ainge era and, as others have pointed it out, it’s now or delay the inevitable until 2023 or 2024. I’d rather start the process now, clear room for Beal in case he wants to join Tatum in 2022 or 2023, and hope we have the assets (or space or draft someone incredible) to add a big 3 to Tatum/Beal. With those two secure, the team becomes extremely profitable in the St. Louis market and our two superstars are happy to see what Brad can build the next 3-5 years (it would be like if PP was standing alone in 2005 with Tony Allen being our Grant Williams back in the day, we then brought in PP’s BFF shortly after, and then we had worked on eventually adding KG and depth…except Tatum is much younger than PP was in 2005, and Beal would make Tatum/Beal so profitable in St. Louis, probably the biggest or second biggest market without an NBA team). Heck, they could even make it fun by moving most everyone for picks and fielding a bunch of reclamation projects and over-the-hill types on cheap contracts until we get our Big 3. If Ime falters after Stevens is done rebuilding, we can bring Stevens back on the bench for his wizardry like Pat Riley did in Miami in the mid 2000s en route to a title.

The above seems like our best bet by far…we really are too constrained to find any other way to a title…

Calling JT a superstar this far into the season is delusional.
Why?  He is averaging 25.6 p, 8.6 r, and 3.8 a.  Boston is 9.6 points per 100 possessions better with him on the floor as opposed to him being on the bench.  He obviously isn't shooting the ball very well, which has affected some of his advanced metrics, but he is still producing solid raw numbers AND the team is a lot better when he is in the game.  Isn't that what a superstar is?  He obviously isn't in the same class as Giannis, Durant, and Curry, but there are of course different tiers of superstar and thus far this year he is pretty much in the Harden, Embiid, etc. tier at least as the numbers go.

Not that you asked, lol, but I'll tell you why, IMO, Tatum is not a superstar: Superstars get lots of foul calls, and Tatum doesn't. You're not really a superstar until the league says you are, and the league does that by directing officials to "give that guy the calls." Tatum is definitely not in the Giannis/Durant/Curry class, but he's not even in the Harden/Embiid class, because those two guys consistently get the calls ... and Tatum doesn't.

Strange take, I gotta say. Never really saw Corey Maggette as a superstar back then but to each their own.

I'm confused ... what's Maggette got to do with it? Did he get tons of calls at some point?

Not sure if I'll get banned for this, but his nickname is "Bad ****" because he never finished.

Re: Management, I’m pleading with you; blow it up!
« Reply #56 on: December 29, 2021, 06:09:20 AM »

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Let’s face it: We’ve got one superstar in JT and one nice young role player, possible lunch pail kind of starter in the future, in Grant Williams. Timelord is hurt too much and fool’s gold. Smart is decent but going to become more expensive (probably overpaid) in the near-future. Romeo is a bust, and so is Nesmith in all likelihood. Pritchard is not gonna make it as a consistent role player. Richardson is ok, but not a guy to build around. Horford is in the twilight of his career. Playing Enes is a political liability, like it or not (personally cannot stand the CCP but we can’t have our team being targeted by CCP). Everyone else other than JB is crap. And JB is just Glen Rice Part II…nice player as a number three guy, but we’re not winning a championship with him as our number two.

There’s no shame in rebuilding again. It allows a clean break from the Ainge era and, as others have pointed it out, it’s now or delay the inevitable until 2023 or 2024. I’d rather start the process now, clear room for Beal in case he wants to join Tatum in 2022 or 2023, and hope we have the assets (or space or draft someone incredible) to add a big 3 to Tatum/Beal. With those two secure, the team becomes extremely profitable in the St. Louis market and our two superstars are happy to see what Brad can build the next 3-5 years (it would be like if PP was standing alone in 2005 with Tony Allen being our Grant Williams back in the day, we then brought in PP’s BFF shortly after, and then we had worked on eventually adding KG and depth…except Tatum is much younger than PP was in 2005, and Beal would make Tatum/Beal so profitable in St. Louis, probably the biggest or second biggest market without an NBA team). Heck, they could even make it fun by moving most everyone for picks and fielding a bunch of reclamation projects and over-the-hill types on cheap contracts until we get our Big 3. If Ime falters after Stevens is done rebuilding, we can bring Stevens back on the bench for his wizardry like Pat Riley did in Miami in the mid 2000s en route to a title.

The above seems like our best bet by far…we really are too constrained to find any other way to a title…

Calling JT a superstar this far into the season is delusional.
Why?  He is averaging 25.6 p, 8.6 r, and 3.8 a.  Boston is 9.6 points per 100 possessions better with him on the floor as opposed to him being on the bench.  He obviously isn't shooting the ball very well, which has affected some of his advanced metrics, but he is still producing solid raw numbers AND the team is a lot better when he is in the game.  Isn't that what a superstar is?  He obviously isn't in the same class as Giannis, Durant, and Curry, but there are of course different tiers of superstar and thus far this year he is pretty much in the Harden, Embiid, etc. tier at least as the numbers go.

Not that you asked, lol, but I'll tell you why, IMO, Tatum is not a superstar: Superstars get lots of foul calls, and Tatum doesn't. You're not really a superstar until the league says you are, and the league does that by directing officials to "give that guy the calls." Tatum is definitely not in the Giannis/Durant/Curry class, but he's not even in the Harden/Embiid class, because those two guys consistently get the calls ... and Tatum doesn't.

Strange take, I gotta say. Never really saw Corey Maggette as a superstar back then but to each their own.

I'm confused ... what's Maggette got to do with it? Did he get tons of calls at some point?

He got to the line a lot aka he got the calls. That’s where he got a lot of his points, iirc. 

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Re: Management, I’m pleading with you; blow it up!
« Reply #57 on: December 29, 2021, 04:35:09 PM »

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Let’s face it: We’ve got one superstar in JT and one nice young role player, possible lunch pail kind of starter in the future, in Grant Williams. Timelord is hurt too much and fool’s gold. Smart is decent but going to become more expensive (probably overpaid) in the near-future. Romeo is a bust, and so is Nesmith in all likelihood. Pritchard is not gonna make it as a consistent role player. Richardson is ok, but not a guy to build around. Horford is in the twilight of his career. Playing Enes is a political liability, like it or not (personally cannot stand the CCP but we can’t have our team being targeted by CCP). Everyone else other than JB is crap. And JB is just Glen Rice Part II…nice player as a number three guy, but we’re not winning a championship with him as our number two.

There’s no shame in rebuilding again. It allows a clean break from the Ainge era and, as others have pointed it out, it’s now or delay the inevitable until 2023 or 2024. I’d rather start the process now, clear room for Beal in case he wants to join Tatum in 2022 or 2023, and hope we have the assets (or space or draft someone incredible) to add a big 3 to Tatum/Beal. With those two secure, the team becomes extremely profitable in the St. Louis market and our two superstars are happy to see what Brad can build the next 3-5 years (it would be like if PP was standing alone in 2005 with Tony Allen being our Grant Williams back in the day, we then brought in PP’s BFF shortly after, and then we had worked on eventually adding KG and depth…except Tatum is much younger than PP was in 2005, and Beal would make Tatum/Beal so profitable in St. Louis, probably the biggest or second biggest market without an NBA team). Heck, they could even make it fun by moving most everyone for picks and fielding a bunch of reclamation projects and over-the-hill types on cheap contracts until we get our Big 3. If Ime falters after Stevens is done rebuilding, we can bring Stevens back on the bench for his wizardry like Pat Riley did in Miami in the mid 2000s en route to a title.

The above seems like our best bet by far…we really are too constrained to find any other way to a title…

Calling JT a superstar this far into the season is delusional.
Why?  He is averaging 25.6 p, 8.6 r, and 3.8 a.  Boston is 9.6 points per 100 possessions better with him on the floor as opposed to him being on the bench.  He obviously isn't shooting the ball very well, which has affected some of his advanced metrics, but he is still producing solid raw numbers AND the team is a lot better when he is in the game.  Isn't that what a superstar is?  He obviously isn't in the same class as Giannis, Durant, and Curry, but there are of course different tiers of superstar and thus far this year he is pretty much in the Harden, Embiid, etc. tier at least as the numbers go.

Not that you asked, lol, but I'll tell you why, IMO, Tatum is not a superstar: Superstars get lots of foul calls, and Tatum doesn't. You're not really a superstar until the league says you are, and the league does that by directing officials to "give that guy the calls." Tatum is definitely not in the Giannis/Durant/Curry class, but he's not even in the Harden/Embiid class, because those two guys consistently get the calls ... and Tatum doesn't.

Strange take, I gotta say. Never really saw Corey Maggette as a superstar back then but to each their own.

I'm confused ... what's Maggette got to do with it? Did he get tons of calls at some point?

He got to the line a lot aka he got the calls. That’s where he got a lot of his points, iirc.

Ah, okay. Well, every rule has an exception. Some guys just have a knack for drawing fouls. Tatum clearly doesn't. And it's clear that he doesn't get "superstar" treatment.
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Re: Management, I’m pleading with you; blow it up!
« Reply #58 on: December 29, 2021, 05:26:55 PM »

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This coming offseason, I hope management plans the build around Tatum instead of both Jays. Not a knock against JB who is an all-star level talent, but it’s a lot clearer when you have a franchise player to build around rather than 2 players. Even those Lakers squads with Shaq-Kobe were primarily built around Shaq despite having an insane talent in Kobe.

This doesn’t mean outright trade JB (particularly not for a lateral move) but it also doesn’t make him “untouchable”
Not sure that is always true.  How about Magic-Kareem?  Then there’s the 2004 Pistons. I could go on, but really the point is that this team already has 2 all-stars.  Isn’t is easier to get one more star than two?

Re: Management, I’m pleading with you; blow it up!
« Reply #59 on: December 29, 2021, 05:37:00 PM »

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I don't think we should blow it up.

But I do think we should trade Schroder for whatever, maybe also J Rich (but only if we can get a first round pick out of it), and try to develop our younger guys like Romeo, Nesmith and Pritchard.  Give them a ton of minutes. And Ime ball stoppers accountable by sitting them, even if it is Jaylen or Jayson.  Enough.

Accept the fact that this season we are not going beyond the first round, and lucky to even make the playoffs.

Figure something out trade wise in the off season.