Detroit Pistons Trade Idea

[todd_days_41]

Is he even better than Smart?

Yes.  The question is more better than Grant and a pick, and in that I don't know.  I'm just done with Smart, so I'd make any more that got rid of him at this point.

I take your point re: Smart. I'm now a full advocate of sending out Smart, as well. But I'd rather see a package of this size used towards a better player (even if it takes more assets), and / or one of a more complimentary fit. I don't think Grant moves the needle much.

[CBS_Take a Report]

Realistically speaking Detroit will seek Smart + Timelord. Which I have to say I would be willing to do.

This rotation is a competitive team:

1. Dennis Schroder
2. Jaylen Brown
3. Jayson Tatum
4. Jerami Grant
5. Al Horford

Bench: Pritchard, Nesmith, Freedom, G. Williams, Langford

[todd_days_41]

Realistically speaking Detroit will seek Smart + Timelord. Which I have to say I would be willing to do.

This rotation is a competitive team:

1. Dennis Schroder
2. Jaylen Brown
3. Jayson Tatum
4. Jerami Grant
5. Al Horford

Bench: Pritchard, Nesmith, Freedom, G. Williams, Langford

If Stevens traded Timelord for Grant, he should be fired that day.

[CBS_Take a Report]

Realistically speaking Detroit will seek Smart + Timelord. Which I have to say I would be willing to do.

This rotation is a competitive team:

1. Dennis Schroder
2. Jaylen Brown
3. Jayson Tatum
4. Jerami Grant
5. Al Horford

Bench: Pritchard, Nesmith, Freedom, G. Williams, Langford

If Stevens traded Timelord for Grant, he should be fired that day.

Why? He is often injured and projects to have significant health issues.

I’m so tired of this forum being so committed to this s show of a team. Why the loyalty? It’s like we are comfortable being mediocre.

[CBS_Take a Report]

It is also my belief that Al will extend in a more cost effective contract to help with salary and play back-up center moving forward. A pathway to true competition could be established.

We could trade Jaylen Brown for KAT for example and have a roster centered on:

Grant-Tatum-Towns (which would be an insane 3-5). Pass first PG. Nesmith develops into shooter we think he can become or we attract someone else for SG (Hield?)…

[Who]

I wonder how good Jerami Grant is.

He popped off last season and took everyone by surprise by how much he was able to score after years of being a defensive minded role player. But how good is that scoring?

Between this year and last, Jerami Grant has played 78 games and scored 21ppg in 33mpg. He has shot only 42.5% from the field, 34% from 3 (6 attempts per night) with a strong 85% on 6 FTAs per game (vs 16.8 FGAs). Good FT numbers. Mediocre 3s and subpar FG%.

His TS% was 55.5% last year relative to a league average of 57.2%. This year his TS% is 54% relative to a league average of 55.5%. Below average both years. Not good.

Over his final two years prior to moving to Detroit, Jerami Grant played for OKC and DEN. He averaged 13ppg in 30mpg. He took only 9.6 FGAs per game and only 2.8 FTAs per game. He had FG% of 49%, a 3pt% of 39% with a mediocre 73% FT% which he has clearly improved on since then. He had TS% of 59%. Clearly a very efficient scoring role player -- but on far fewer attempts.

Since moving to a bigger role, Jerami Grant has been incapable of maintaining his scoring efficiency. Yes he is putting up points but not efficiently and it is showing in his team's W-L record. Detroit is only 5-24 this season. They were 20-52 last season for last place in the East. Yeah, the team around him sucks but you'd like to see a team with a genuine all-star caliber player performing better than this.

I genuinely wonder whether his team's W-L record would be any worse with Marcus Smart swapping places for him. I wonder if their W-L would even be better.


To add to the mediocre scoring numbers (volume without efficiency), Jerami Grant averages just under 5rpg despite being a very athletic 6-8 forward. These are very poor numbers for a guy with his physical gifts and well below average for a starting PF.

The assist numbers are poor. The guy takes 16.8 FGAs and 6.3 FTAs over his two years in Detroit yet he averages only 2.7apg. This is against 2.1 TOs per game also. So his assists ratio to possessions used is terrible. It is iso-ball. More iso-ball to go along with Jaylen's iso-ball and Tatum's iso-ball.



Just how good is Jerami Grant?

Is he an empty stats star?

Is he just a role player on a good team?

Is he only putting up big scoring numbers because he is on a team that sucks?

Why can't he move the needle in the W-L column?

Are these red flags?

[todd_days_41]

Realistically speaking Detroit will seek Smart + Timelord. Which I have to say I would be willing to do.

This rotation is a competitive team:

1. Dennis Schroder
2. Jaylen Brown
3. Jayson Tatum
4. Jerami Grant
5. Al Horford

Bench: Pritchard, Nesmith, Freedom, G. Williams, Langford

If Stevens traded Timelord for Grant, he should be fired that day.

Why? He is often injured and projects to have significant health issues.

I’m so tired of this forum being so committed to this s show of a team. Why the loyalty? It’s like we are comfortable being mediocre.

Because Williams is a very unique player (locked into a cheap contract) who has a highly positive effect on the team without needing the ball. Not once in his life has he dribbled around for 15 seconds then chucked up a contested 3. So if you're tired of this team, trade one of the guys who do it every game.

He's literally the opposite of what ails this team. And if / when the Cs get a real PG, that positive effect is going to keep going up and to the right. You keep him.

[Moranis]

I wonder how good Jerami Grant is.

He popped off last season and took everyone by surprise by how much he was able to score after years of being a defensive minded role player. But how good is that scoring?

Between this year and last, Jerami Grant has played 78 games and scored 21ppg in 33mpg. He has shot only 42.5% from the field, 34% from 3 (6 attempts per night) with a strong 85% on 6 FTAs per game (vs 16.8 FGAs). Good FT numbers. Mediocre 3s and subpar FG%.

His TS% was 55.5% last year relative to a league average of 57.2%. This year his TS% is 54% relative to a league average of 55.5%. Below average both years. Not good.

Over his final two years prior to moving to Detroit, Jerami Grant played for OKC and DEN. He averaged 13ppg in 30mpg. He took only 9.6 FGAs per game and only 2.8 FTAs per game. He had FG% of 49%, a 3pt% of 39% with a mediocre 73% FT% which he has clearly improved on since then. He had TS% of 59%. Clearly a very efficient scoring role player -- but on far fewer attempts.

Since moving to a bigger role, Jerami Grant has been incapable of maintaining his scoring efficiency. Yes he is putting up points but not efficiently and it is showing in his team's W-L record. Detroit is only 5-24 this season. They were 20-52 last season for last place in the East. Yeah, the team around him sucks but you'd like to see a team with a genuine all-star caliber player performing better than this.

I genuinely wonder whether his team's W-L record would be any worse with Marcus Smart swapping places for him. I wonder if their W-L would even be better.


To add to the mediocre scoring numbers (volume without efficiency), Jerami Grant averages just under 5rpg despite being a very athletic 6-8 forward. These are very poor numbers for a guy with his physical gifts and well below average for a starting PF.

The assist numbers are poor. The guy takes 16.8 FGAs and 6.3 FTAs over his two years in Detroit yet he averages only 2.7apg. This is against 2.1 TOs per game also. So his assists ratio to possessions used is terrible. It is iso-ball. More iso-ball to go along with Jaylen's iso-ball and Tatum's iso-ball.



Just how good is Jerami Grant?

Is he an empty stats star?

Is he just a role player on a good team?

Is he only putting up big scoring numbers because he is on a team that sucks?

Why can't he move the needle in the W-L column?

Are these red flags?

Well he clearly shouldn't be a #1 option.  He isn't good enough or have a varied enough offensive game to be what Detroit is using him as.  He is however a very nice fit as a 3rd/4th option, which is what he'd be in Boston.  Can extend the floor, hit shots efficiently (when used as a tertiary scorer), and is solid defensively.  He is a more efficient offensively lesser defensively PF version of Smart, which better fills a need and thus he has more value.  3rd/4th scorers never move the needle in the W/L column much and certainly not when playing up in role (and thus losing the efficiency).  Grant as a spot up shooter would be fantastic in Boston.  His efficiency would go up a lot and it would help Tatum and Brown to have a more consistent shooter on the floor.  Plus that moves Brown and Tatum to SG and SF, which is where they should be on this team without the team playing 2 bigs.

And as I keep saying it removes Smart from the team, which at this point is the biggest positive.  I'm done with Smart.  He needs to go. 

[CBS_Take a Report]

I wonder how good Jerami Grant is.

He popped off last season and took everyone by surprise by how much he was able to score after years of being a defensive minded role player. But how good is that scoring?

Between this year and last, Jerami Grant has played 78 games and scored 21ppg in 33mpg. He has shot only 42.5% from the field, 34% from 3 (6 attempts per night) with a strong 85% on 6 FTAs per game (vs 16.8 FGAs). Good FT numbers. Mediocre 3s and subpar FG%.

His TS% was 55.5% last year relative to a league average of 57.2%. This year his TS% is 54% relative to a league average of 55.5%. Below average both years. Not good.

Over his final two years prior to moving to Detroit, Jerami Grant played for OKC and DEN. He averaged 13ppg in 30mpg. He took only 9.6 FGAs per game and only 2.8 FTAs per game. He had FG% of 49%, a 3pt% of 39% with a mediocre 73% FT% which he has clearly improved on since then. He had TS% of 59%. Clearly a very efficient scoring role player -- but on far fewer attempts.

Since moving to a bigger role, Jerami Grant has been incapable of maintaining his scoring efficiency. Yes he is putting up points but not efficiently and it is showing in his team's W-L record. Detroit is only 5-24 this season. They were 20-52 last season for last place in the East. Yeah, the team around him sucks but you'd like to see a team with a genuine all-star caliber player performing better than this.

I genuinely wonder whether his team's W-L record would be any worse with Marcus Smart swapping places for him. I wonder if their W-L would even be better.


To add to the mediocre scoring numbers (volume without efficiency), Jerami Grant averages just under 5rpg despite being a very athletic 6-8 forward. These are very poor numbers for a guy with his physical gifts and well below average for a starting PF.

The assist numbers are poor. The guy takes 16.8 FGAs and 6.3 FTAs over his two years in Detroit yet he averages only 2.7apg. This is against 2.1 TOs per game also. So his assists ratio to possessions used is terrible. It is iso-ball. More iso-ball to go along with Jaylen's iso-ball and Tatum's iso-ball.



Just how good is Jerami Grant?

Is he an empty stats star?

Is he just a role player on a good team?

Is he only putting up big scoring numbers because he is on a team that sucks?

Why can't he move the needle in the W-L column?

Are these red flags?

I think all of the things you bring up are valid questions.

But the reliance on him to be the 23ppg scorer on this team like he was for Detroit wouldn’t be necessary. He would fit into the 2/3 option on this team behind Tatum (and Brown for the time being). 

[CBS_Take a Report]

Realistically speaking Detroit will seek Smart + Timelord. Which I have to say I would be willing to do.

This rotation is a competitive team:

1. Dennis Schroder
2. Jaylen Brown
3. Jayson Tatum
4. Jerami Grant
5. Al Horford

Bench: Pritchard, Nesmith, Freedom, G. Williams, Langford

If Stevens traded Timelord for Grant, he should be fired that day.

Why? He is often injured and projects to have significant health issues.

I’m so tired of this forum being so committed to this s show of a team. Why the loyalty? It’s like we are comfortable being mediocre.

Because Williams is a very unique player (locked into a cheap contract) who has a highly positive effect on the team without needing the ball. Not once in his life has he dribbled around for 15 seconds then chucked up a contested 3. So if you're tired of this team, trade one of the guys who do it every game.

He's literally the opposite of what ails this team. And if / when the Cs get a real PG, that positive effect is going to keep going up and to the right. You keep him.

You have to give to get. And Marcus is one of those ailments you point out. And if we know this, the receiving team also does. Which is why you have to balance the package with a player who might be painful to lose (RWIII).

[PAOBoston]

Not sure if trade Smart for him but maybe something like Richardson/Schroder/pick and use Smart/TL in a bigger deal since they are both signed longer term. I don’t think Grant is going to cost you that much.

[todd_days_41]

Realistically speaking Detroit will seek Smart + Timelord. Which I have to say I would be willing to do.

This rotation is a competitive team:

1. Dennis Schroder
2. Jaylen Brown
3. Jayson Tatum
4. Jerami Grant
5. Al Horford

Bench: Pritchard, Nesmith, Freedom, G. Williams, Langford

If Stevens traded Timelord for Grant, he should be fired that day.

Why? He is often injured and projects to have significant health issues.

I’m so tired of this forum being so committed to this s show of a team. Why the loyalty? It’s like we are comfortable being mediocre.

Because Williams is a very unique player (locked into a cheap contract) who has a highly positive effect on the team without needing the ball. Not once in his life has he dribbled around for 15 seconds then chucked up a contested 3. So if you're tired of this team, trade one of the guys who do it every game.

He's literally the opposite of what ails this team. And if / when the Cs get a real PG, that positive effect is going to keep going up and to the right. You keep him.

You have to give to get. And Marcus is one of those ailments you point out. And if we know this, the receiving team also does. Which is why you have to balance the package with a player who might be painful to lose (RWIII).

Sure you do. But you don't have to give up Timelord to get Jerami Grant. And you shouldn't. And Stevens better not, or he's a fool.

[todd_days_41]

If the Cs want to trade for Grant, wait for the summer. Price will keep going down. And if some other team overpays for him before the trade deadline, so be it. We have two better players than Grant on the wing already.

[Csfan1984]

With a Smart and TL swap for Grant and KO, Piston's may view Smart and TL starting with Cade would put more people in the seats than Grant and KO. In terms of highlight plays they are more prone to do them a few times a game. I assume the Piston's start
Cade, Smart, Bey, Jackson, TL

Grant I feel is just under Brown for talent level. So he is definitely better than Smart. Grant has played in "3rd best player on a team" role in a good playoff run which earned him his contract. If you believe in switch everything Grant is a good fit. A better defender than Hayward but less shooting and passing. If the team runs through the Jays and Schro, Grant can get back to finishing plays and playing defense.

[Csfan1984]

If the Cs want to trade for Grant, wait for the summer. Price will keep going down. And if some other team overpays for him before the trade deadline, so be it. We have two better players than Grant on the wing already.

BS doesn't wait on deals.