''Celtics focused on trying to add a 3rd star''

[Who]

I'm in on Barnes too.  They've been connected before and maybe this is the year.  He also may be able to be obtained with the least amount of assets going out.

Editorial note, this was a suggestion made last year for a package to get Barnes:

Sacramento Kings trade: Harrison Barnes
Boston Celtics trade: Payton Pritchard, 2021 first-round pick, 2023 second-round pick

I think PP value is down, so will probably need to be something else now.

I don't see Harrison Barnes as a guy who moves the needle enough to be a 3rd star.

I love him as your 4th best player.

[Celtics2021]

Why is Kevin Love on this poll?

I just wanted to make sure I've included at least a few realistic options in the poll. Love and Wall were stars in the past. They are still big names. Obviously, not all players on the list are equally valuable.

I guess I don't see how Love is at all realistic.  He's not a star, hasn't been for years, and has an awful contract.  Sure we could trade Horford straight up for him, as an example, but that'd be a downgrade on the court and on the balance sheet.  Put another way, Horford is more of a 3rd star than Love, and that's not trying to say Horford is anything near a star at this point in his career.

[celticsclay]

Why is Kevin Love on this poll?

Yeah Kevin love is not even a good role player at this point and is very expensive. Would take as a buyout but not a start in any universe

[slamtheking]

Why is Kevin Love on this poll?

I just wanted to make sure I've included at least a few realistic options in the poll. Love and Wall were stars in the past. They are still big names. Obviously, not all players on the list are equally valuable.

Love's probably the one realistic option in that list.  not exactly a third star but probably attainable with what we have on the roster.   Wall too for that matter since Houston's trying to stay bad and they're not playing him.  the issue with getting either of them is matching salaries without giving up a lot of young players.

I actually think plenty of players on the list are realistic targets. The C's have all their future firsts intact. Unprotected first-round picks are valuable assets. You get a player under team control for 8-9 seasons! The first 4 of these seasons are on a bargain contract under the rookie scale. We also got Horford on a partially-guaranteed contract for next season. Matching salaries shouldn't be a big issue.

Fwiw, the Nets acquired Harden for 4 presumably late firsts and 4 pick swaps.

a. Harden wanted out.  none of these players are looking to jump from their teams (yet)
b. those are known to be late firsts with Durant and Kyrie already on the team.  we don't have a Durant on our team who would put us in the top 10 teams practically single-handedly.
c. for the reasons you value unprotected firsts, that's the very reason we shouldn't just give picks away when we have no one else's picks as assets to help add cheap young talent to our roster.

[smokeablount]

Sabonis or KAT. Do it all big men (a position of need) on offense, underrated on D and they fit the Jays timeline.

[JBcat]

I'm in on Barnes too.  They've been connected before and maybe this is the year.  He also may be able to be obtained with the least amount of assets going out.

Editorial note, this was a suggestion made last year for a package to get Barnes:

Sacramento Kings trade: Harrison Barnes
Boston Celtics trade: Payton Pritchard, 2021 first-round pick, 2023 second-round pick

I think PP value is down, so will probably need to be something else now.

I don't see Harrison Barnes as a guy who moves the needle enough to be a 3rd star.

I love him as your 4th best player.

I tend to agree. Someone like Jerami Grant could be a nice addition as well, but probably not as your 3rd star.

I hate to say it, but my guess is Kat might not be going anywhere with the emergence of Anthony Edwards on that team.

[trickybilly]

Random aside for Jvalin:  why do you use “ain’t” so frequently?  You seem to use otherwise proper grammar.  Just curious.

As for the thread, I feel like we’ve been looking for a healthy third star for a decade.

To be clear - there is no such thing as proper grammar.

There is Oxford English grammar (that used by elites in the 18th century, living around the northern counties of London - primarily near Oxford University).

Syntax exists on a continuum.

I only say this because the term "proper grammar" reinforces (often racist) stereotypes about non-Oxford usage.

Lastly, check out Nigerian "Pidgin" (sometimes called Naija) - here's a fairly boring story about a Erdogan meeting Buhari: https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/tori-59679299

[johnnygreen]

Why is Kevin Love on this poll?

Lol, that is the only player you question being in this poll? Somehow the OP thinks these are the players we can trade for without including Tatum or Brown. A lot of these guys have no business being listed if either of the J's are not part of the trade.

[radiohead]

If Love is bought out I think he’d be a great fit with the Jays. He’s been playing really well as of late in 15-20 mins of PT. It looks like he’s happy with his role in the Cavs now, and they’re playing great as a team also.

[JSD]

bring back Kyrie.


Smart, Richardson and DS

[GreenlyGreeny]

bring back Kyrie.


Smart, Richardson and DS

This is not as bad of an idea as some may think, but would need to change to Horford/Schröder/Pick(s) since Richardson cannot be traded this season.

If Kyrie was allowed to talk to us and a meeting could be arranged with the Super Jay Bros. before a trade and they all agreed this time we’re going to get it right, it just might work. It’s the Big 3 we deserve. If Kyrie and Jaylen stay healthy, big IFs, this might work:

Kyrie/Pritchard (would even recommend bringing back IT as a spark plug)
Smart/Langford
Brown/Nesmith
Tatum/G. Williams
Timelord/Freedom

Kyrie is probably the only superstar available without dealing JB, and even that is questionable.

Would prefer we deal JB and pick(s) for Zion and Satoransky (matching dollars). Then find a way to add Beal to get our Big 3, even if it must wait until the off-season. Beal would keep Tatum very happy and that’s important (Ainge style does not work with Gen Z)

It’s just too hard these days to get a Big 3 without one of the three on a rookie contract.

[GreenlyGreeny]

If Love is bought out I think he’d be a great fit with the Jays. He’s been playing really well as of late in 15-20 mins of PT. It looks like he’s happy with his role in the Cavs now, and they’re playing great as a team also.

The funny part about these Cleveland/Love buyout suggestions: Cleveland is a lot better than us right now. This team is going down the tubes of mediocrity, and we need to pivot or it’s going to end badly.

[Jvalin]

Why is Kevin Love on this poll?

I just wanted to make sure I've included at least a few realistic options in the poll. Love and Wall were stars in the past. They are still big names. Obviously, not all players on the list are equally valuable.

Love's probably the one realistic option in that list.  not exactly a third star but probably attainable with what we have on the roster.   Wall too for that matter since Houston's trying to stay bad and they're not playing him.  the issue with getting either of them is matching salaries without giving up a lot of young players.

I actually think plenty of players on the list are realistic targets. The C's have all their future firsts intact. Unprotected first-round picks are valuable assets. You get a player under team control for 8-9 seasons! The first 4 of these seasons are on a bargain contract under the rookie scale. We also got Horford on a partially-guaranteed contract for next season. Matching salaries shouldn't be a big issue.

Fwiw, the Nets acquired Harden for 4 presumably late firsts and 4 pick swaps.

a. Harden wanted out.  none of these players are looking to jump from their teams (yet)
b. those are known to be late firsts with Durant and Kyrie already on the team.  we don't have a Durant on our team who would put us in the top 10 teams practically single-handedly.
c. for the reasons you value unprotected firsts, that's the very reason we shouldn't just give picks away when we have no one else's picks as assets to help add cheap young talent to our roster.

Let me get this straight. At first, you were arguing that ''Love is probably the one realistic option in the list''. Are you now arguing that we shouldn't trade picks for a 3rd star? I'm not sure I follow your logic.

In any case:
a. Not true. We know for a fact Simmons wants out. He'd be my #1 target. Apparently, Sabonis and Wall want out as well. Personally speaking, I'd pass on Sabonis cause I think he'd be a bad fit on the C's. Wall is massively overpaid. He isn't the player he used to be anymore.
b. If we create a big 3 of Tatum-Brown-Simmons, we'll definitely be a top 10 team. I would argue we'd become a legit contending team for years to come.
c. I'd much rather have Simmons over a bunch of late firsts. This isn't the case for all teams, cause we already got 2 young All-Stars in Tatum and Brown. Simmons on his own doesn't move the needle. Simmons alongside the Jays is a game changer, sort of like Draymond Green is a game changer on the Warriors.

[Moranis]

If Love is bought out I think he’d be a great fit with the Jays. He’s been playing really well as of late in 15-20 mins of PT. It looks like he’s happy with his role in the Cavs now, and they’re playing great as a team also.

The funny part about these Cleveland/Love buyout suggestions: Cleveland is a lot better than us right now. This team is going down the tubes of mediocrity, and we need to pivot or it’s going to end badly.

Cleveland has a better record, but Cleveland is not better than Boston.

[Wretch]

/Edit Silly Trade Machine Trade #1 /Edit

Something like this work from a salary POV

Dame to Philly
Simmons to Boston
Horford and Juancho (easiest salaries to match with) to Portland with picks and/or swaps from Boston and Philly.

Portland then could trade CJ to other suitors for picks then not pick up the options on Al and Jauncho to clear cap space and begin the rebuild with 4 or 5 first round picks in the next few drafts.

Of course Portland would probably just prefer Simmons and picks straight up for Dame. This really only works if Dame demands out and Simmons/Klutch says no to playing in a small market non-contending team.