Tatum/Brown are A Walker8/Pierce

[bcgenuis]

Walker and Pierce couldnt get to the promise land together and neither will Tatum/Brown.

You can argue which player, Brown or Tatum, is better.  Both have many pros and some cons. The issue is they are too similar and neither (esp. Tatum) is willing to sacrifice for the benefit of the team.

Eventually, one of them will be traded or leave. That will hopefully rebalance the team.

The team way too wing heavy. The team does not have an enforcer/menace under the rim (inlcudes punishing pick setter).

The team does not have a top end point guard.

IMO - Tatum's weaknesses are his handle and his finishing at the rim.  Strengths, good outside shot and his ability to create or handle double teams is average at best. And his weaknesses have not significantly improved over the years. I see the same game from him over the past 3 years.

IMO- Brown has to step up more, I think he has the ability to take over games but does not. HE needs to stay healthy.

I see Brown as Pierce and Tatum as Walker, in the early stages in their career. Walker was hyped more, until he wasnt.

[Roy H.]

I think your analysis is wrong.

Tatum and Brown are fine together.  It’s the other 13 players that need work.  That’s unlike Walker, who — though quite likable — was an inefficient, flawed player.

[bcgenuis]

I think your analysis is wrong.

Tatum and Brown are fine together.  It’s the other 13 players that need work.  That’s unlike Walker, who — though quite likable — was an inefficient, flawed player.

Do you recall the Walker Pierce led rosters?

[Csfan1984]

Well Walker and Pierce won rings when the whole team was better we can't take those two lightly.

[todd_days_41]

Brown and Tatum are both better than Walker ever was. That said, I think fans on this board are gripping the wheel too tight on the notion of trading one of them in an effort to improve this highly mediocre team.

I’d prefer to trade Brown for good young players who fit. But at this point? I’m concerned his value may be pretty compromised.  The guy is hurt ALOT.

[jambr380]

I definitely think the jury is still out on whether Brown is better than Walker was. Brown is in his 6th season and will have only made one All-Star team by the end of it. Walker had made three by the end of his 7th season. On top of that, Walker was a much better on the floor leader and the Pierce/Walker played with much worse players than Tatum/Brown have so far in their careers; yet, had moderate playoff success. Brown certainly has the potential to be better than Walker, but he isn't there yet.

In Ainge's first big move, he went out and traded Walker - an All-Star in his prime - for Raef freaking LaFrentz and his totally bloated contract. Let's hope that Brad does better than that if he decides to eventually break up the duo.

[todd_days_41]

I definitely think the jury is still out on whether Brown is better than Walker was. Brown is in his 6th season and will have only made one All-Star team by the end of it. Walker had made three by the end of his 7th season. On top of that, Walker was a much better on the floor leader and the Pierce/Walker played with much worse players than Tatum/Brown have so far in their careers; yet, had moderate playoff success. Brown certainly has the potential to be better than Walker, but he isn't there yet.

In Ainge's first big move, he went out and traded Walker - an All-Star in his prime - for Raef freaking LaFrentz and his totally bloated contract. Let's hope that Brad does better than that if he decides to eventually break up the duo.

Walker sucked after he was traded. Ainge knew he was a fat lazy partier and got rid of him while he could.

[jambr380]

I definitely think the jury is still out on whether Brown is better than Walker was. Brown is in his 6th season and will have only made one All-Star team by the end of it. Walker had made three by the end of his 7th season. On top of that, Walker was a much better on the floor leader and the Pierce/Walker played with much worse players than Tatum/Brown have so far in their careers; yet, had moderate playoff success. Brown certainly has the potential to be better than Walker, but he isn't there yet.

In Ainge's first big move, he went out and traded Walker - an All-Star in his prime - for Raef freaking LaFrentz and his totally bloated contract. Let's hope that Brad does better than that if he decides to eventually break up the duo.

Walker sucked after he was traded. Ainge knew he was a fat lazy partier and got rid of him while he could.

Lol - he was the 3rd best player on the MIA championship team (go check the playoff stats). Your response is garbage and adds nothing to the conversation - thanks for that, though

[todd_days_41]

I definitely think the jury is still out on whether Brown is better than Walker was. Brown is in his 6th season and will have only made one All-Star team by the end of it. Walker had made three by the end of his 7th season. On top of that, Walker was a much better on the floor leader and the Pierce/Walker played with much worse players than Tatum/Brown have so far in their careers; yet, had moderate playoff success. Brown certainly has the potential to be better than Walker, but he isn't there yet.

In Ainge's first big move, he went out and traded Walker - an All-Star in his prime - for Raef freaking LaFrentz and his totally bloated contract. Let's hope that Brad does better than that if he decides to eventually break up the duo.

Walker sucked after he was traded. Ainge knew he was a fat lazy partier and got rid of him while he could.

Lol - he was the 3rd best player on the MIA championship team (go check the playoff stats). Your response is garbage and adds nothing to the conversation - thanks for that, though

Oh please. 12 points a game? How would Shaq and DWade have survived without him!

If Brown is to be compared directly to Walker, the Cs should trade him tomorrow.

[nickagneta]

I definitely think the jury is still out on whether Brown is better than Walker was. Brown is in his 6th season and will have only made one All-Star team by the end of it. Walker had made three by the end of his 7th season. On top of that, Walker was a much better on the floor leader and the Pierce/Walker played with much worse players than Tatum/Brown have so far in their careers; yet, had moderate playoff success. Brown certainly has the potential to be better than Walker, but he isn't there yet.

In Ainge's first big move, he went out and traded Walker - an All-Star in his prime - for Raef freaking LaFrentz and his totally bloated contract. Let's hope that Brad does better than that if he decides to eventually break up the duo.

Jaylen has only played 5 full seasons. He hasn't finished his 6th so it's unfair to declare Brown won't be an All-Star this year. 

Also, in Antoine's first 5 full seasons he had 1 All-Star appearance, just like Jaylen. Here is a comparison of both for their first 5 seasons:

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1=walkean02&p1yrfrom=1997&p1yrto=2001&player_id2=brownja02&p2yrfrom=2017&p2yrto=2021

Antoine had better basic counting stats but Jaylen had better per 36 and advanced stats. Jaylen had also played in 61 playoff games and been his team's best performing player in a couple of those playoff runs. After 5 seasons Walker had yet to play in a playoff game. Jaylen was also a much more versatile and overall better defender.

I think by stats and the games I remember that watching, so the eye test, Jaylen was the much better player with much more room to grow as a player at the same amount of years in the league.

[nickagneta]

Walker and Pierce couldnt get to the promise land together and neither will Tatum/Brown.

You can argue which player, Brown or Tatum, is better.  Both have many pros and some cons. The issue is they are too similar and neither (esp. Tatum) is willing to sacrifice for the benefit of the team.

Eventually, one of them will be traded or leave. That will hopefully rebalance the team.

The team way too wing heavy. The team does not have an enforcer/menace under the rim (inlcudes punishing pick setter).

The team does not have a top end point guard.

IMO - Tatum's weaknesses are his handle and his finishing at the rim.  Strengths, good outside shot and his ability to create or handle double teams is average at best. And his weaknesses have not significantly improved over the years. I see the same game from him over the past 3 years.

IMO- Brown has to step up more, I think he has the ability to take over games but does not. HE needs to stay healthy.

I see Brown as Pierce and Tatum as Walker, in the early stages in their career. Walker was hyped more, until he wasnt.

I think some of your analysis is wrong here, especially on your thoughts about Tatum. I think he is much, much better than you are giving him credit of being.

[Roy H.]

I think your analysis is wrong.

Tatum and Brown are fine together.  It’s the other 13 players that need work.  That’s unlike Walker, who — though quite likable — was an inefficient, flawed player.

Do you recall the Walker Pierce led rosters?

That team never had a Top Two in place.  Walker just wasn’t good enough.  This team does.

[Rosco917]

Each championship team had a straw that stirred the drink.

Bird would call teammates in the hotel rooms and push their buttons. He didn't allow complacency. Bird didn't like his opponents, they routinely jawed at each other all the time.

The intensity of KG got Pierce and Ray believing. Remember KG banging his head before each game. It was a war for Kevin, he wanted it badly.

The J's are affable young men. Have you EVER viewed Jayson Tatum exchange harsh words with an opponent? EVER?
If you could somehow blend Marcus Smart with Jayson Tatum, yeah now that's a straw.



 

[Moranis]

Tatum > Pierce
Brown > Walker

Comparison ends.

[mqtcelticsfan]

Tatum > Pierce
Brown > Walker

Comparison ends.

Yeah, the former is still a bit of a stretch. I love Tatum, and he has that potential, but Pierce is one of the best to ever play the game.

I agree on Brown vs. Walker.